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    Smile Jim Stoppani's shortcut to size

    Just wondering whether anyone has taken up this routine?
    What sort of results have you seen from this?
    Would this be a good idea for bulking?
    Cheers in advance for any responses!
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    "Shortcut to size" says it all. There is no shortcut.
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    Eat alot of calories, low reps with high weight. Lift till failure and always try to up your max set. Switch your exercises up constantly to prevent plateauing. Person above is correct, there is no shortcuts, and if there was, everyone would do it that way and it would no longer be considered a shortcut.
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    Originally Posted by TimeToBiceps View Post
    "Shortcut to size" says it all. There is no shortcut.
    Lol do you even know who Jim Stoppani is? Jim Stoppani holds a doctorate in exercise physiology with a minor in biochemistry from the University of Connecticut. Soon after graduation, he served as a postdoctoral research fellow in the prestigious John B. Pierce Laboratory and Department of Cellular and Molecular Physiology at Yale University School of Medicine. This is the time when Jim started to investigate the effects of diet and exercise on gene regulation in muscle tissue. Following his research, he was given the “Gatorade Beginning Investigator in Exercise Science” Award in 2002 by the American Physiological Society.
    This guy is were Hany R. Chris A, Farah, etc go to when they design a training program. I would look into him a bit you might learn something.
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    Originally Posted by TimeToBiceps View Post
    "Shortcut to size" says it all. There is no shortcut.
    This.
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    Originally Posted by rewaste View Post
    Lol do you even know who Jim Stoppani is? Jim Stoppani holds a doctorate in exercise physiology with a minor in biochemistry from the University of Connecticut. Soon after graduation, he served as a postdoctoral research fellow in the prestigious John B. Pierce Laboratory and Department of Cellular and Molecular Physiology at Yale University School of Medicine. This is the time when Jim started to investigate the effects of diet and exercise on gene regulation in muscle tissue. Following his research, he was given the “Gatorade Beginning Investigator in Exercise Science” Award in 2002 by the American Physiological Society.
    This guy is were Hany R. Chris A, Farah, etc go to when they design a training program. I would look into him a bit you might learn something.
    This but the "shortcut" must be an intended misnomer... Read some of his stuff in various fitness mags (e.g. he is now the editor at Muscle & Fitness) and his Encyclopedia of Muscle, he's got great ideas that work (yes, I've tried some, good results for the most part). He also practices what he preaches and is jacked even at his age! I say try it and if doesn't work, move on to something else.
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    Originally Posted by rewaste View Post
    Lol do you even know who Jim Stoppani is? Jim Stoppani holds a doctorate in exercise physiology with a minor in biochemistry from the University of Connecticut. Soon after graduation, he served as a postdoctoral research fellow in the prestigious John B. Pierce Laboratory and Department of Cellular and Molecular Physiology at Yale University School of Medicine. This is the time when Jim started to investigate the effects of diet and exercise on gene regulation in muscle tissue. Following his research, he was given the “Gatorade Beginning Investigator in Exercise Science” Award in 2002 by the American Physiological Society.
    This guy is were Hany R. Chris A, Farah, etc go to when they design a training program. I would look into him a bit you might learn something.
    It doesn't matter who he is or what he's done. The fact remains that there is no "shortcut" to size, and his program isn't much different than anybody elses. Wouldn't you call your program something like Jims' to sell it and/or become famous? I think most people would.

    Question: Why do you think the supps have the names they have? To sell (because people without any knowledge buys the products, and uses them thinking it's awesome, because of the cool name.), just like this program.
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    Originally Posted by TimeToBiceps View Post
    It doesn't matter who he is or what he's done. The fact remains that there is no "shortcut" to size, and his program isn't much different than anybody elses. Wouldn't you call your program something like Jims' to sell it and/or become famous? I think most people would.

    Question: Why do you think the supps have the names they have? To sell (because people without any knowledge buys the products, and uses them thinking it's awesome, because of the cool name.), just like this program.
    Short cut means simply training in a correct way as not to waste your time. I've taken people that have been training for years and no new growth to seeing amazing growth in 4 weeks. Your young no disrepect but I don't think you have any training time under your belt
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    Originally Posted by rewaste View Post
    Short cut means simply training in a correct way as not to waste your time. I've taken people that have been training for years and no new growth to seeing... Your young no disrepect but I don't think you have any training time under your belt
    There is no shortcut if you're 41 or 20. I'm sure this program is alright for noobies who doesn't know anything about training. You still have to work hard if you want results, and not rely on any "shortcuts".

    Originally Posted by rewaste View Post
    ...amazing growth in 4 weeks.
    Age defines knowledge, doesn't it?
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    Alright, cheers guys, I'll take into account all of your opinions. Obviously I agree there is no shortcut to size, but I was actually referring to the program itself, and if it had been 'tried and tested' by any of yourselves. The title is clearly to maximise hits of the program, but I don't think it can be discarded for this reason alone?
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    Originally Posted by ronburgundy131 View Post
    Alright, cheers guys, I'll take into account all of your opinions. Obviously I agree there is no shortcut to size, but I was actually referring to the program itself, and if it had been 'tried and tested' by any of yourselves. The title is clearly to maximise hits of the program, but I don't think it can be discarded for this reason alone?
    Try it out, but don't expect any huge results ONLY by reading the title. Doing a program will probably get you motivated to train harder and eat bigger than ever before, at least that's what I experienced... Check out Kris Gethins' 12 week training program as well by the way. The DTP sessions is just... brutal.
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    Well if you want to try a proven program read the hell raiser post above lots of logs in there and proven effectiveness.
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    Originally Posted by TimeToBiceps View Post
    There is no shortcut if you're 41 or 20. I'm sure this program is alright for noobies who doesn't know anything about training. You still have to work hard if you want results, and not rely on any "shortcuts".



    Age defines knowledge, doesn't it?
    I don't think Stoppani was saying "This shortcut is the only way to get muscle quick and you won't have to put in work," he just named it shortcut as in this is a scientifically proven effective way of quickly putting on muscle. I don't think he would advocate taking any type of actual "shortcuts" to trying to gain size. This was more of a name instead of a gimmick.

    Look at the actual program and you'll see the time and effort you have to put into it. It's not any type of gimmicky "shortcut." Next time, look before you dis the program.
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    Originally Posted by CDub122 View Post
    I don't think Stoppani was saying "This shortcut is the only way to get muscle quick and you won't have to put in work," he just named it shortcut as in this is a scientifically proven effective way of quickly putting on muscle. I don't think he would advocate taking any type of actual "shortcuts" to trying to gain size. This was more of a name instead of a gimmick.

    Look at the actual program and you'll see the time and effort you have to put into it. It's not any type of gimmicky "shortcut." Next time, look before you dis the program.
    Yeh I agree with this mate
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    Originally Posted by CDub122 View Post
    Next time, look before you dis the program.
    I have looked at it and it's nothing extraordinary about it.
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    I have looked at it and it's nothing extraordinary about it.
    Said the the skinny 20 yr old.
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    Originally Posted by rewaste View Post
    Lol do you even know who Jim Stoppani is? Jim Stoppani holds a doctorate in exercise physiology with a minor in biochemistry from the University of Connecticut. Soon after graduation, he served as a postdoctoral research fellow in the prestigious John B. Pierce Laboratory and Department of Cellular and Molecular Physiology at Yale University School of Medicine. This is the time when Jim started to investigate the effects of diet and exercise on gene regulation in muscle tissue. Following his research, he was given the “Gatorade Beginning Investigator in Exercise Science” Award in 2002 by the American Physiological Society.
    This guy is were Hany R. Chris A, Farah, etc go to when they design a training program. I would look into him a bit you might learn something.
    I don't think anyone disputes Stoppani's credentials. However, his job depends on his ability to come up with articles to sell magazines. Yes, he undoubtedly knows a lot about physiology and body-building, broadly-speaking. But I agree with the person who wrote "there are no shortcuts." Too many people are looking for magic. Go to the gym and lift with a proven workout and keep what works for you.
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    I'm loving this workout program. It is hypertrophy specific and has plenty of compounds, drop sets, and rest-pause sets. It is newbie friendly and delivers what it promises.
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    Originally Posted by rewaste View Post
    Lol do you even know who Jim Stoppani is? .
    Yes. He's probably the biggest 'bro' in the bodybuilding scene today. Many of the nutritional "advices" he postulates have been debunked by those who aren't biased by being on the payrolls of the supplement companies and their primary agents--the muscle mags.

    Just because some jamoke has a bunch of letters after his name doesn't necessarily mean he's going to speak the unbiased truth.




    ETA: If Stoppani ever got into a debate with someone the likes of Lyly McDonald or Alan Aragon (like Stoppani would ever allow himself to be put into such a position ) , there wouldn't be enough left of him to stuff into a match box.
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    No brain, no gain.

    You can't out-train bad nutrition.

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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    Yes. He's probably the biggest 'bro' in the bodybuilding scene today. Many of the nutritional "advices" he postulates have been debunked by those who aren't biased by being on the payrolls of the supplement companies and their primary agents--the muscle mags.

    Just because some jamoke has a bunch of letters after his name doesn't necessarily mean he's going to speak the unbiased truth.




    ETA: If Stoppani ever got into a debate with someone the likes of Lyly McDonald or Alan Aragon (like Stoppani would ever allow himself to be put into such a position ) , there wouldn't be enough left of him to stuff into a match box.
    I'll admit that I did skip over his nutritional advice, and went for your basic bulk. I pulled my supplement advice from the forums here at BB.com which seems, on average to suggest a healthy high calorie diet plus some basic supps.

    The exercises and split schedule seem pretty legit though. It's the only program I've done so I can't compare it to others. I'll probably continue to think its a great program because of all the newbie gains I'm seeing with it. Can anyone point out any specific shortcomings of this program?
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    Originally Posted by CBRob View Post
    Can anyone point out any specific shortcomings of this program?
    You're only working each muscle one time per week. It's almost universally accepted that beginners will make faster progress by training muscles up to three times per week.

    This thread will explain a bit further:
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=139911893
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    TimeToBiceps has misunderstood this thread methinks.
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    if you look up the program it actually makes a lot of sense. I might do that
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    thanks for the link, Bill. I read it and learned a bunch. Will look into a full body routine for my next program. I certainly have no regrets about doing the STS 5 day split, ignorance is bliss.
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    Originally Posted by Ilesey View Post
    TimeToBiceps has misunderstood this thread methinks.
    is there a /sarcasm in white font that i missed?
    Blah cutting.

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    Originally Posted by Determinednoob View Post
    is there a /sarcasm in white font that i missed?
    Yes.
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    It looks like a good program if you have already been lifting for any period of time. I just started it and the back and bi day was good but I'm also not expecting 15 pounds of muscle is 3 months either. Those results aren't typical of the people the program is aimed at. If I'm not mistaken in the newest version of it he says that it is not for beginners, I could be wrong though. As far as the supplements and that stuff goes, common sense prevails. Obviously he has to make money and so does the website. Nothing wrong with doing what you feel is comfortable regarding supps and splitting your days up to fit you best.
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