Methylsynephrine & Isopropyloctopamine - What are we ACTUALLY ingesting????

[NO HYPE]

And I just purchased some iForce products a few days ago, including dexaprine v2.

well this thread shouldn't influence your decision on buying iforce products

[_Smitty_]

NH - please clear inbox.

[PinchTheBear]

Does VPX's isopropyloctopamine come from the isopropyl plant?

Lol

[kr1kit]

NO HYPE/Neuron/PTB threads need to come with a translator for those of us who don't hold PHD's in pharmacology or organic chemistry.

[Nailbomb9]

So...MS in not compliant and thus who knows if it'll f**k a person up or not. Is that about the jist of it NH?

[NO HYPE]

NH - please clear inbox.

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[_Smitty_]

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Just don't write back.

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[rhadam]

So...MS in not compliant and thus who knows if it'll f**k a person up or not. Is that about the jist of it NH?

There are plenty of things that are non-compliant, yet are quite safe when used correctly and in moderation.

[Nailbomb9]

There are plenty of things that are non-compliant, yet are quite safe when used correctly and in moderation.

Agreed. Just wondering if those were the major points of what No Hype was trying to make or if I missed something

[TheGilmore]

We'll have a more thorough response in the next couple days (hopefully tomorrow).

[NO HYPE]

So...MS in not compliant and thus who knows if it'll f**k a person up or not. Is that about the jist of it NH?

Well, neither of the two are compliant however in the case of "methylsynephrine" it's either the real deal i.e. oxilofrine....


Or it's merely beta-O-methylsynephrine [which is found in nature, but void of CNS/lipolytic value].


Nonetheless, if it's oxilofrine.... let me know so I can warn my health care provider.

[Nailbomb9]

Well, neither of the two are compliant however in the case of "methylsynephrine" it's either the real deal i.e. oxilofrine....


Or it's merely beta-O-methylsynephrine [which is found in nature, but void of CNS/lipolytic value].


Nonetheless, if it's oxilofrine.... let me know so I can warn my health care provider.

s**t!! Let me look that up!

[Nailbomb9]

Well, neither of the two are compliant however in the case of "methylsynephrine" it's either the real deal i.e. oxilofrine....


Or it's merely beta-O-methylsynephrine [which is found in nature, but void of CNS/lipolytic value].


Nonetheless, if it's oxilofrine.... let me know so I can warn my health care provider.

Appears that a person could test dirty if it was oxilofrine as it's an amphetamine. Is that about right?

[chromaffin]

Well, neither of the two are compliant however in the case of "methylsynephrine" it's either the real deal i.e. oxilofrine....


Or it's merely beta-O-methylsynephrine [which is found in nature, but void of CNS/lipolytic value].


Nonetheless, if it's oxilofrine.... let me know so I can warn my health care provider.

Beta-O-Methylsynephrine is found in plants of the Rutaceae family as well as Acacia Rigidula. However, there are other rather promising compounds in Acacia Rigidula when it comes to generating stimulant activity.

Oxilofrine is also rather safe and well-tolerated. Hell, it even drops diastolic blood pressure, and the "worst" response to a single 120mg dose was a 13% rise in systolic blood pressure. No alterations in pulse.

Having personally experimented with a variety of caffeine + acacia rigidula products during the period following the ban of ephedrine, I can say with confidence that certain constituents of Acacia Rigidula produce a stimulant effect.

[Daycrawler]

Well, neither of the two are compliant however in the case of "methylsynephrine" it's either the real deal i.e. oxilofrine....


Or it's merely beta-O-methylsynephrine [which is found in nature, but void of CNS/lipolytic value].


Nonetheless, if it's oxilofrine.... let me know so I can warn my health care provider.

Cliffs on why MS is bad? On mobile, don't feel like logging onto a computer.

Also like to know what version of MS is in Maximize v.2....

[chromaffin]

Cliffs on why MS is bad? On mobile, don't feel like logging onto a computer.

Also like to know what version of MS is in Maximize v.2....

Seeing as they went from a listed compound to an extract, you can assume that Oxilofrene is in Maximize v2.

[Ace28]

Cliffs on why MS is bad? On mobile, don't feel like logging onto a computer.

Also like to know what version of MS is in Maximize v.2....

Pretty sure they took it out without saying anything. I noticed it when I bought a bottle a while back and it didn't hit nearly as hard as the 1st couple tubs I had used.

[NO HYPE]

Beta-O-Methylsynephrine is found in plants of the Rutaceae family as well as Acacia Rigidula.

Indeed. As well as the Coryphantha greenwoodii & the Dolichothele species.

However, there are other rather promising compounds in Acacia Rigidula when it comes to generating stimulant activity.

Indeed. This is a well-known trait of Acacia r.

Oxilofrine is also rather safe and well-tolerated. Hell, it even drops diastolic blood pressure, and the "worst" response to a single 120mg dose was a 13% rise in systolic blood pressure. No alterations in pulse.

The clinical efficacy of oxilofrine was never in question, but how it was available as a dietary supplement for so long.... I dunno, but with the more recent addition of betaphrine to the OTC fat loss category, I'm beginning to think anything goes.

[chromaffin]

The clinical efficacy of oxilofrine was never in question, but how it was available as a dietary supplement for so long.... I dunno, but with the more recent addition of betaphrine to the OTC fat loss category, I'm beginning to think anything goes.

Well let me put it this way: Look at the topical fat burners sold as cosmetics. Look at the continued production of racetams. Look at certain AI ingredients.

DSHEA compliance is violated left and right. The more pertinent question to myself, the consumer, is whether or not the product is safe. Unless I'm the owner of a competing company, I couldn't care less about whether or not an ingredient is DSHEA compliant as long as it a) works and b) is safe.

[NO HYPE]

Cliffs on why MS is bad?

bad for drug tests

draws unnecessary FDA awareness

[NO HYPE]

I couldn't care less about whether or not an ingredient is DSHEA compliant as long as it a) works and b) is safe.

That's great.

As for myself, the lack of DSHEA compliance in this instance led me to the assume that the consumer is either ingesting the pharmacokinetically-inferior beta-O-methylsynephrine, or the uncontrolled drug oxilofrine.

[NO HYPE]

Lol

EDIT: isopropyl plant™

[DinoT1985]

I contacted someone yesterday and awaiting a reply to see if anything has actually changed since the letter the FDA posted to Syntech (no supplements/brands were named, just the ingredient). I doubt anything's changed but verification is nice.

[NO HYPE]

Unless I'm the owner of a competing company, I couldn't care less about whether or not an ingredient is DSHEA compliant as long as it a) works and b) is safe.

What if your name was Troy Stram, and you were the Team triathlon captain at Penn State, and your urine sample was unexpectedly flagged positive for oxilofrine doping? --> I'd bet your stance on DSHEA compliance would be much different at that point.

Pro Cyclist Sues Supplement Maker

SAN FRANCISCO (CN) - A professional cyclist claims she was disqualified from competing after taking a diet supplement that made her fail a drug test. Flavia Oliveira, who rode for an Italian team, says ALR Industries' Hyperdrive 3.0 contains methylsynephrine, which is chemically related to banned oxilofrine. She says ALR knew or should have known it, but did not mention it on the label.

[deserusan]

What if your name was Troy Stram, and you were the Team triathlon captain at Penn State, and your urine sample was unexpectedly flagged positive for oxilofrine doping? --> I'd bet your stance on DSHEA compliance would be much different at that point.

I agree when it comes to MS.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post611223963

[xR1pp3Rx]

MS is down to 9.99 ... has this thread got them skeerd?

[NO HYPE]

MS is down to 9.99 ... has this thread got them skeerd?

Nope. The limited run was planned. They likely got a prime deal on some bulk oxilofrine and just ran with it.

[NO HYPE]

I contacted someone yesterday and awaiting a reply to see if anything has actually changed since the letter the FDA posted to Syntech (no supplements/brands were named, just the ingredient). I doubt anything's changed but verification is nice.

Yeah, there's just no way for it to be compliant, as it's a synthetically-derived structural intermediate of octopamine.

[bigpoppaapp]

So Methyl Synephrine versus Ephedrine versus Yohimbine mixed with caffeine? which is the BEST?

Im currently on ephedrine+caffeine, and this stuff is amazing, and CHEAP. I have Yohimbine but stopped using it with EC when i heard its dangerous and counterproductive.

[Outside backer]

take them all at once