Why do those in present military act like they are doing us a favour(srs)

[imccarthy]

- the only video in which Osama claims responsibility is to be considered fake, so much so that even the FBI considers him only as "suspect".


- Saddam statue fell and a dozen people TOP were cheering, clearly paid by the Americans to do so. In a city of millions of people. It wasn't exactly like the fall of the Berlin wall.

Strong sources. Go back to your cave.

[Ultra_Magnus]

They want a global Caliphate. It has nothing to do with occupation. Which Muslim nations were we forcefully occupying in 2001, hmm?

We have been imposing our will on Muslim nations for decades. Just because we were not forcefully occupying them, does not mean we werent doing otherthings get get at their resources, whether it be by politics, sanctions, etc.

Occupation is basically the last resort, when all other methods fail.

[Hamzzza]

We have been imposing our will on Muslim nations for decades. Just because we were not forcefully occupying them, does not mean we werent doing otherthings get get at their resources, whether it be by politics, sanctions, etc.

Occupation is basically the last resort, when all other methods fail.

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.

[imccarthy]

i'll PayPal you 1000$ if you stop being stupid


go read the Qur'an and one of the book of hadiths - then tell me what the meaning of Jihad is - what by verses and hadiths it's truly presented by

Jihad /= killing people, but you wouldn't know since all you know about islam is what you read on the misc and see on your news

do not fukking make assumptions about it if the only thing you know about it is what you read on the intenet

You either have no idea what you're talking about or are lying through your teeth to make Islam look good. Either way I'm done with you.

[gsxtreme1987]

Ill probably get negged but i agree with OP. Kind of sick of all the special treatment the millitary people get... not talking about the vets that actually fought to protect us... but the current ones who are mostly in it for benefits and i guess to kill ragheads.

Its just another job....

[marin3muscl3]

Oh please. You apologists for Islam are pathetic. What's the punishment for apostasy in Islam? How about the punishment for refusing to cover your hair if you're a woman? Come on now. Be serious.

The punishment for apostasy in Islam is death only IF the person who leaves reveals secrets regarding the muslims to their enemies. This was originally for 1400 years ago when the tribes were at war. What is the punishment for treason in the west? Most countries have life imprisonment. There is no punishment for revealing your hair if you're a woman. According to Islamic doctrine it's "You will not taste paradise".

[imccarthy]

I didn't know there were this many pro-Islamofascist, pro-Jihadist apologists in the West. Fortunately our political leaders aren't this stupid.

[noflyingcars]

No. They are pawns, just like the US military (no offense guys). Their are people much higher up the food chain who do care, on both sides.

That being said, i support our government and troops. Its Basically Team-A vs Team-B. If we lose the resources in the middle-east, our way of living will be affected, we will become poorer.

All this stuff about muslims being evil, etc etc, is all just propaganda to gain public support. We do it on our side, and they do it on their side.

But you (American people) do not belong to team A.
It would be much more sensible for american people to engage in friendly trade with those countries, instead of doing costly wars and bringing instability to the region.

You can see how all these wars have affected the price of oil.

[SkyGuardian]

I didn't know there were this many pro-Islamofascist, pro-Jihadist apologists in the West. Fortunately our political leaders aren't this stupid.

You are so brain washed in your patriotism that you generalize anyone who provides a solid argument against these wars as supporters of their ideals. Need to reassess your view on reality.....

[fuzionite]

i'll PayPal you 1000$ if you stop being stupid


go read the Qur'an and one of the book of hadiths - then tell me what the meaning of Jihad is - what by verses and hadiths it's truly presented by

Jihad /= killing people, but you wouldn't know since all you know about islam is what you read on the misc and see on your news

do not fukking make assumptions about it if the only thing you know about it is what you read on the intenet

ji·had/jiˈhäd/
Noun:

(among Muslims) A war or struggle against unbelievers.
The spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.

Synonyms:
jehad

Hamzzaaa is right....its a very dynamic term but in Hamzaass context its simply Islamic people defending their beliefs.

[imccarthy]

But you (American people) do not belong to team A.
It would be much more sensible for american people to engage in friendly trade with those countries, instead of doing costly wars and bringing instability to the region.

You can see how all these wars have affected the price of oil.

Friendly trade? *facepalm*. You really don't get it do you? I'm guessing you're a Ron Paul fan, yeah? If we weren't so mean to the evil, sadistic, psychopathic, verminous, disgusting Mullahs and Al-Qaeda leaders they wouldn't hate us, right?

[Love-Feet]

But you (American people) do not belong to team A.
It would be much more sensible for american people to engage in friendly trade with those countries, instead of doing costly wars and bringing instability to the region.

You can see how all these wars have affected the price of oil.

Much more sensible,

But then how would the government get to put so much money into technology research without any questions being asked by the general public?

[imccarthy]

You are so brain washed in your patriotism that you generalize anyone who provides a solid argument against these wars as supporters of their ideals. Need to reassess your view on reality.....

Anyone that says that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq is stating implicitly that they supported Saddam Hussein's Ba'ath Party.

If you want to defend professional sadists and fascistic, theocratic dictators be my guest.

[Hamzzza]

You either have no idea what you're talking about or are lying through your teeth to make Islam look good. Either way I'm done with you.

strong neg



as i said read a book, all you know is from the internet and you're telling me what is right - good luck with your being ignorant goals in 2012

[noflyingcars]

Strong sources. Go back to your cave.

I linked the site of the FBI. No need to be a crybaby only because you were proven wrong on the internet. Chill out.

[kitten2cat]

All of you are ready to brawl each other online, but are any of you actually doing anything for your cause? You take this thread way too seriously. What is your post on a body building site going to do for anything? What are you accomplishing? Just chill out a bit. Okay? There's no need to start a digital war.

[imccarthy]

as i said read a book, all you know is from the internet and you're telling me what is right - good luck with your being ignorant goals in 2012

There are women being gang-raped and tortured in Tehran at this very moment so they can be publicly stoned to death at a later date because of the hideous nonsense grounded in Islam. You should be ashamed of yourself to attempt to defend it in any form. It's absolutely disgraceful.

[travellingbrah]

Originally Posted by imccarthy
Of course I believe it. When was the last time you heard about a Christian or Jewish or atheist suicide bomber? Hmm? Get a grip on reality

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bump for stupidity...

[fuzionite]

Much more sensible,

But then how would the government get to put so much money into technology research without any questions being asked by the general public?

Questions have been asked.
They are simply refusing to answer.

"War on drugs" and "War on terrorism" are fake wars but they generate an insane amount of money.
America cannot keep afloat without conflict, quite literally.
Every single depression in the history of mankind(America) has been followed by a war that has rectified that depression.
Look it up.

The government was formed to aid the lives of the common man and a democracy established to make the formation of the government as fair as possible.
The entire dynamic has been turned on its head. The government is there for themselves, sort of like a cliche that only profit for themselves. If you think democracy still exists, think about it this way: all the candidates are still on the same side. Do you even have any REAL choice? (Vote Ron Paul pls)

Its sad that patriotism and nationalism has blinded so many Americans, but when you say the pledge of allegiance everyday in elementary school...it takes it toll and slowly zombifies the masses.

[Ultra_Magnus]

But you (American people) do not belong to team A.
It would be much more sensible for american people to engage in friendly trade with those countries, instead of doing costly wars and bringing instability to the region.

You can see how all these wars have affected the price of oil.

In a perfect world, that would work. Problem is it isnt a perfect world.

Team-B is just as greedy as Team-A. Both teams are attempting to undermine eachother.

So its not who is good or bad. Its which team are you on.

The only other option is not to play. Move to a wilderness not occupied by man and live off the land. That is the only true peace and true good.

[imccarthy]

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bump for stupidity...

Your own stupidity, yes? Suicide bombing is an almost entirely Muslim phenomenon. Non-Muslim suicide bombers are almost always isolated psychopathics or psychotics, not part of massive organized terror cells.

[noflyingcars]

Friendly trade? *facepalm*. You really don't get it do you? I'm guessing you're a Ron Paul fan, yeah? If we weren't so mean to the evil, sadistic, psychopathic, verminous, disgusting Mullahs and Al-Qaeda leaders they wouldn't hate us, right?

So you believe that somebody on the other side of the planet HATES you because...what, because you're american? because you're not muslim? so they want to kill you because you don't believe in their prophet?


My god. I hope you're just a kid.



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There are women being gang-raped and tortured in Tehran at this very moment so they can be publicly stoned to death at a later date because of the hideous nonsense grounded in Islam. You should be ashamed of yourself to attempt to defend it in any form. It's absolutely disgraceful.

Ok, you're a troll.

[kitten2cat]

"War on drugs" and "War on terrorism" are fake wars but they generate an insane amount of money.
America cannot keep afloat without conflict, quite literally.
Every single depression in the history of mankind(America) has been followed by a war that has rectified that depression.
Look it up.

America loves creating imaginary wars. Another example would be the "War on Religion".

[Hamzzza]

ji·had/jiˈhäd/
Noun:

(among Muslims) A war or struggle against unbelievers.
The spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.

Synonyms:
jehad

Hamzzaaa is right....its a very dynamic term but in Hamzaass context its simply Islamic people defending their beliefs.

i think we should use either the Qur'an or hadith as a source of it since that's where the term comes from

i have difficulties finding the hadiths i'd like to show you in english since it's not the language in which i read them but a very well known hadith says: the strongest/most important of jihads is the jihad with yourself


e.g. the struggle with doing good, not getting mad at XY, trying to stay true to your morals etc. or as said above: the spiritual struggle within oneself against sin

[Rawdogmadfemalz]

and we should respect them??

Let me start of saying i have the utmost respect for those who fought in WW1, WW2, cold war etc. However why do those in present western armies think they are doing any1 a favor and they are "risking their lives" for us? do they not realise they are merely killing hundreds of thousands of innocent middle easterners for greedy politicians with political agendas? thats fine if they want to do that. but dont go around with your superiority complex thinking your better than people that actually make a difference like doctors etc. You are fighting a war that doesn't need to be fought, you think rural farmers in Afghanistan are a threat to the us, australia etc?. Even miscers that are soldiers act like they are better than us, NO you kill the innocent.

Are you ****ing serious? Just answer me that are you for ****ing real right now?

[noflyingcars]

All of you are ready to brawl each other online, but are any of you actually doing anything for your cause? You take this thread way too seriously. What is your post on a body building site going to do for anything? What are you accomplishing? Just chill out a bit. Okay? There's no need to start a digital war.

you only say that because you're red.

[Ultra_Magnus]

There are women being gang-raped and tortured in Tehran at this very moment so they can be publicly stoned to death at a later date because of the hideous nonsense grounded in Islam. You should be ashamed of yourself to attempt to defend it in any form. It's absolutely disgraceful.

So what do you suggest? We kill all muslims?

I mean our hip-hop ghetto people do more disgraceful things and we let them live. Why dont we just kill them all too?

[SkyGuardian]

Anyone that says that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq is stating implicitly that they supported Saddam Hussein's Ba'ath Party.

If you want to defend professional sadists and fascistic, theocratic dictators be my guest.

We went to Iraq on the grounds of SUSPICION of weapons of mass destruction. We found none, there are none and it was said that there are none in the beginning. The war in Iraq is a complete and utter FAILURE. They PEOPLE have wanted us out for a long time, the government that we put there are the only ones who even want us there. It's all politics.

Thanks for the neg by the way, only reaffirms my initial conclusion of your logic on this premise.

[travellingbrah]

Your own stupidity, yes? Suicide bombing is an almost entirely Muslim phenomenon. Non-Muslim suicide bombers are almost always isolated psychopathics or psychotics, not part of massive organized terror cells.

Oh look, you went from an absolute to, ALMOST now. Interesting...

And you're still wrong, just further proving your ignorance.

























You'd think a "mccarthy" would know about this...

[Ultra_Magnus]

Your own stupidity, yes? Suicide bombing is an almost entirely Muslim phenomenon. Non-Muslim suicide bombers are almost always isolated psychopathics or psychotics, not part of massive organized terror cells.

The Japanese did it, kamikaze fighters.

The Americans did it, one way flights into japan to napalm entire cities of CIVILIANS.

in b4 "but we were at war"

Guess what, THEY are at WAR WITH US.