How can you guys not believe in god & there being another life force out there?

[WnaLearnScience]

I understand the big bang did happen, and to our limited knowledge, we can't comprehend what happened prior to this... But it seems we just don't know enough to be making huge speculations, I really think believing in God is the smartest answer. Obviously not some big man on a cloud watching over every person, but some type of higher power.

The universe is and everything in it is so well constructed, I can't imagine it happening by chance, it's almost perfect. Also the way our bodies our constructed, from the way our eyebrows are slightly edged over our eyes to stop sweat from gettin in our eyes, down to the births of another life form being born, the way the planets are aligned. There is no way all of this just happened by chance, it's just far too complex.


Also, the universe is so big I can't even comprehend it's size, to hink we are the only ones in this entire universe (not just galaxies) is plain retarded.

[WnaLearnScience]

bump u *******s

[datniche]

On some level there will always be something completely inexplainable. Doesn't matter how deep into this question we get, you can always ask an infinitely broader question.

A personal god makes you delusional. But people who are like "herp derp ever hear of DARWIN? ever hear of the BIG BANG?" are at least as idiotic.


And to clarify, the question is not science. Science is testable.

[MiKey4]

If you can't know for sure, the most rational action is to suspend judgement. You half did this when you said "we just don't know enough to be making huge speculations", regarding pre-big bang physics. Then in the next sentence, "I really think believing in God is the smartest answer".

Take your own advice.

[PilotBrah]

But it seems we just don't know enough to be making huge speculations, I really think believing in God is the smartest answer.]

doesn't want to speculate, speculates god did it

The universe is and everything in it is so well constructed, I can't imagine it happening by chance, it's almost perfect.

says we can't comprehend some things, asserts an idea anyway

[bambarby]

weak username to post content ratio

[Diddoo]

too many religions out there


most are OBVIOUSLY (... have to be)... fake... FAKE...

as in

how can it be fake?

someone went and actually made it up


imagine ppl making it up. kinda genius... LOL


sorry god im still a pretty good person. ill do many more generous things in my life and none of the terrible ones.

if you still want to burn my ass in hell



well... im sorry? ill take it if you think i deserve it. i dont think i do but you do whatever you want to do brah.

[WnaLearnScience]

On some level there will always be something completely inexplainable. Doesn't matter how deep into this question we get, you can always ask an infinitely broader question.

A personal god makes you delusional. But people who are like "herp derp ever hear of DARWIN? ever hear of the BIG BANG?" are at least as idiotic.


And to clarify, the question is not science. Science is testable.

how is a god delusional? why is it so hard to believe in a higher power?

[MiKey4]

how is a god delusional? why is it so hard to believe in a higher power?

I'm guessing you did not order those physics books you requested.

[zeddo]

Repped OP. Those are my exact thoughts on both topics (the existence of god and the existence of aliens).

weak username to post content ratio

No its not. This is the problem with you athiest brahs, you seem to think that you either believe in god, or you have faith in science. You can't do both. No buddy, god isn't at war with science.

[WnaLearnScience]

If you can't know for sure, the most rational action is to suspend judgement. You half did this when you said "we just don't know enough to be making huge speculations", regarding pre-big bang physics. Then in the next sentence, "I really think believing in God is the smartest answer".

Take your own advice.

lmao true.. good point!

[obmas]

Stevens Hawkins in his book, the grand design, actually explains it pretty well that the universe CAN be created out of nothing.

Look up the no boundary proposal.

[WnaLearnScience]

I'm guessing you did not order those physics books you requested.

I was discussing that with my friend, he wants to learn about it aswell. And Yes I'm gonna get it, probably in a few days when I get paid

[WnaLearnScience]

Repped OP. Those are my exact thoughts on both topics (the existence of god and the existence of aliens).




No its not. This is the problem with you athiest brahs, you seem to think that you either believe in god, or you have faith in science. You can't do both. No buddy, god isn't at war with science.

this

[DanNZ]

So OP logic:

We don't know. Therefore god.

Strong god of the gaps argument. We don't know, so we cannot make a judgement.

Also, strong evolution knowledge, obviously we evolved to have our faces etc the way they are. And wtf at the planets being aligned? They aren't, they orbit due to gravity.

[lucious]

i dont think its humanly possible to have those answers now. Maybe by 10,000 A.D we'll have something. Maybe science is just simply the midwife of something even more astounding and capable of explaining reality.

[bambarby]

No its not. This is the problem with you athiest brahs, you seem to think that you either believe in god, or you have faith in science. You can't do both. No buddy, god isn't at war with science.

I'm not an atheist u mad brah? But I believe nature can do these wonderful things op describes.

[WnaLearnScience]

Stevens Hawkins in his book, the grand design, actually explains it pretty well that the universe CAN be created out of nothing.

Look up the no boundary proposal.

I understand that certain things can pop out of nowhere and disappear, but still; it's just the whole universe's complexity which makes me feel it's too unlikely to happen by 'chance'

[damlurker]

I think you're taking a Deistic view point which is far better than a theistic one..

yet the logic for such a universal consciousness (the term god has way too many theistic trappings to be used in a rational argument) is weak, simply because there is no proof for it, whatever your "gut instinct" tells you about it..

for example say you lived 500 years ago.. you'd instinictively known that the sun orbited Earth.. go even further back and you'd instinctively knw that the earth is flat.. i mean how could you be standing on a spherical object??
in the same way you cannot simply rationalize the existance of a intelligent creator with your arguments.. you can simply say that it is not unproven (and it will probably remain unproven for a million years into the future of mankind)

That being said, im not entirely closed to the deistic position.. although i'd put forth the argument that whether or not such a entity cares in what we believe is a whole another story.. so why even bother..


oh and another thing.. those biological and astronomical facts you quoted? what is your background in science? how well versed are you in those fields anyways? I dont think you should be making assertions like that without actually studying those fields..

[PinnerForLife]

brb disregarding scientific evidence and acquiring broscience

yea bro, look how big dat der universe is!

[EViNCaR]

doesn't want to speculate, speculates god did it


says we can't comprehend some things, asserts an idea anyway

Strong this.
Why people have the need to believe in something I will never understand.


Just BE and enjoy life without making assumptions about things that realy do not matter.

[WnaLearnScience]

So OP logic:

We don't know. Therefore god.

Strong god of the gaps argument. We don't know, so we cannot make a judgement.

Also, strong evolution knowledge, obviously we evolved to have our faces etc the way they are. And wtf at the planets being aligned? They aren't, they orbit due to gravity.

OK, maybe I was wrong to speculate and make a judgement, but you get my point.

I know that dummy, I'm sayin the earth is the perfect distance away from the sun, I understand gravity controls it and so on, but still.. it's just so well placed for it to happen by chance.

[DWP26]

Is your garden not beautiful enough that you have to believe that theres fairys at the end of it.

[EViNCaR]

OK, maybe I was wrong to speculate and make a judgement, but you get my point.

I know that dummy, I'm sayin the earth is the perfect distance away from the sun, I understand gravity controls it and so on, but still.. it's just so well placed for it to happen by chance.

Your last statement is very stupid to say the least.

It's like throwing a million dices and then saying that the result is so unlikely it is almost imposible to happen by chance...

[datniche]

I understand that certain things can pop out of nowhere and disappear, but still; it's just the whole universe's complexity which makes me feel it's too unlikely to happen by 'chance'

Ok so,

Maybe this entire universe is a simulation. A supercomputer of sorts that can create a simulation so detailed that the characters believe they are conscious. Pixel=atom. Set standards of physics, thermodynamics, chemistry, etc. At what point does consciousness begin to exist?

Maybe god made all of this, and that explains how this system is so complex.



The problem is that any theory like these cannot be disproven. And with that comes the fact that they do not tell you anything at all. Where is the simulator/god? How did that come to be? Etc.....all the same questions have now been relocated to a larger perspective. No answers.


The smartest thing you can realize is that we don't really know much about anything and most of it is incredibly out of our reach. It's not like a fish trying to imagine land. It's like an electron in the center of the earth realizing (and realizing that it can realize) that the universe is infinitely (wat) large.

[WnaLearnScience]

I think you're taking a Deistic view point which is far better than a theistic one..

yet the logic for such a universal consciousness (the term god has way too many theistic trappings to be used in a rational argument) is weak, simply because there is no proof for it, whatever your "gut instinct" tells you about it..

for example say you lived 500 years ago.. you'd instinictively known that the sun orbited Earth.. go even further back and you'd instinctively knw that the earth is flat.. i mean how could you be standing on a spherical object??
in the same way you cannot simply rationalize the existance of a intelligent creator with your arguments.. you can simply say that it is not unproven (and it will probably remain unproven for a million years into the future of mankind)

That being said, im not entirely closed to the deistic position.. although i'd put forth the argument that whether or not such a entity cares in what we believe is a whole another story.. so why even bother..


oh and another thing.. those biological and astronomical facts you quoted? what is your background in science? how well versed are you in those fields anyways? I dont think you should be making assertions like that without actually studying those fields..

I've done a little research here and there but probably not enough I guess. And I understand what you're sayin' and you make good points, but like people have said we have a lot of knowledge now that people back then didn't have. We can base our assumptions on actual evidence when they would assume, but I guess I have no evidence for god....Fuark I'm just diggin a hole for myself lol

[bazookasword]

if you were educated in quantom physics and quantom mechanics you'd know that very much is pointing towards our "universe" is only a part of an infinite amount of unvirses in a multivers. and that the big bang was a result of anothers universe which collapsed under it's own "repulsive gravity" due to higher amount of dark energy. this"dark energy" many physicist think is the combined energy of the vibration of "strings" which is believed to be the most elementary particle possible (what quarks are made of". nothing of this is 100% certain, but very many ideas and theories point towards the same direction, which makes them more convincing.

post got a little messy lol

[Ronnie87]

If our Universe didn't have perfect conditions for life, we wouldn't be here to observe them. There could be other Universes where the laws of physics don't allow life, so no one will exist there to say the conditions aren't perfect.

[peanut-butter]

I understand what you're trying to say, but there is no need for the word "God" as soon as you speak that name all the religious bull**** comes intoplay.

[obmas]

I understand that certain things can pop out of nowhere and disappear, but still; it's just the whole universe's complexity which makes me feel it's too unlikely to happen by 'chance'

That's understandable if you have the view that there is only ONE universe. To think outside of the box an d more into the infinite multi-verse theories, it makes a lot more sense considering the probability.

So out of, say, a hundreds of millions of billions of universes being formed, it's very likely that at least a few million of those would have the right conditions. And out of those millions, at least a few universes would have the right parts to create stars and planetary systems.

and then over 13.7 billions of years have passed, we have what is the universe that we know of today. See OP, you talk about the universe being so large in terms of distance that it is incomprehensible to us..... but time itself is even larger.

typing on a tabelet y sucks lol