If you can't do 12 unassisted pull up's with proper form

[VerticalDreams]

-----Texas A&M Communications Class of 2014-----

I'd like a mocha frappuccino pls

****ing lol'd

[CPADude]

inb4 James Harden

[soapy]

inb4 180lb+ miscers say it's because they weigh a lot making it hard to do pull ups

you consider 180lb alot?? feelsgoodman

can do over 20, but OP what about IFBB pro's who weigh 300lbs in off season?

[RegParkWasNatty]

Contradicting yourself and making no sense. "Many of the illegal steroids are smuggled in from other countries, illegally diverted from U.S. pharmacies, or synthesized in secret laboratories. Estimates show that there are more than $400 million worth of black-market (illegal) sales of steroids per year." While this is more recent, there could easily have been similar numbers. Also, Reeves as well aware of steroids if he has the audacity to comment on them.

Steve Reeves didn't die before 1950, lol. Yes he was alive while steroids were in existence but he competed in the 40's which was a whole decade before the first western bodybuilders (Grimek and Jim Park) took the first testosterone shots from Ziegler after seeing the results the soviets got after they first experimented with it some time between 1952 and 1956. The results were failure though and no western bodybuilders used testosterone until the 60's.

[cheeseNmills]

Used to be able to do 3 sets of 8 with 20kg plate on my belt when I weighed 200 lbs.. dislocated shoulders and couldn't lift for 6 months now I can't even do 8 bodyweight reps at 180

[AgeIsCritical]

23 Deadhang pull ups, no kipping and with a wide grip. When I was skinnier I used to do 28... Ok I know im still skinny.

[Danzeligan]

Normal pull ups or you mean wide grip lat ones?

[TreyTrey]

since i fixed my form i can barely do 5 wide grip pull ups full ROM....

[MichaelBb6]

Steve Reeves didn't die before 1950, lol. Yes he was alive while steroids were in existence but he competed in the 40's which was a whole decade before the first western bodybuilders (Grimek and Jim Park) took the first testosterone shots from Ziegler after seeing the results the soviets got after they first experimented with it some time between 1952 and 1956. The results were failure though and no western bodybuilders used testosterone until the 60's.

sigh..its like arguing against a religious person. Keep believing the common stories and never look deeper.

[mmaoz]

The results were failure though and no western bodybuilders used testosterone until the 60's.

You realise he won a Mr Universe title in 1965, right? (Can't wait to hear your "proof" of why he was natural at this point of time)

[apolloman]

12+ with a 45lb plate.

[RegParkWasNatty]

sigh..its like arguing against a religious person. Keep believing the common stories and never look deeper.

Everything I have said has been backed up in this thread already and is researchable, verifiable and is common knowledge to anyone who has made even a modest effort to learn about the history of steroids in sports.

[PaHulkster]

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Who do you think lifts?

[surf junkie]

irrelevant ...

seen some of the skinniest guys, like 120lbs wet Malaysian guy, do 50 pullups in a row. zero muscle mass.

I usually stop at 10, to save energy for the next set of 10, and so on. Not too great at pullups, maybe if I lose 10lbs. Over 5 sets I can get around 35-40 pullups. Not great, but improving, esp at my weight:size.

[tund3]

Can deadlift nearly 2x my bodyweight, but can't even do 5 pullups with strict form (granted I tried it for the first time last week). Expect it to improve over time but still ... I find it hard to believe there is any crossover between other back exercises and pullups if you don't do pullups. On close grip underhand chinups, I can probably do 8-10 reps

[MichaelBb6]

Everything I have said has been backed up in this thread already and is researchable, verifiable and is common knowledge to anyone who has made even a modest effort to learn about the history of steroids in sports.

Its the ****ing common story, everyone preaches it so it becomes the truth, where in fact it is not consistent with the timeline of history. In fact, it all sounds like a bunch of shiit off blogs and wikipedia.

[jdare77]

It seems hardly anyone at my gym knows what a dead hang pullup is and they think they can do mad pullups because their head barely goes under the bar before they pull back up..

Yup...I can do about 75 pullups that way...

Or about 14 dead-hang pullups

[RegParkWasNatty]

You realise he won a Mr Universe title in 1965, right? (Can't wait to hear your "proof" of why he was natural at this point of time)

Reg Park says he was a life time natural but even if he did use steroids later on in his career he wasn't any bigger in the 1960s or 1970s than he was in the early 1950s. The heaviest Park ever competed was at 222 in 1965 and he was no better then than he was when he guest posed at the 1957 Mr. USA contest at roughly the same weight. He competed in the low 220s again in 1972 and '73, and was only 216 in 1971 (but leaner and flatter). When he won the 1951, and 1958 Mr. Universes he was 214 and 215 lbs, but was leaner than he was when he competed in the low 220s. Park's typical off-season weight from 1951 to 1973 was 225-230 lbs and never increased after the introduction of steroids into bodybuilding. He went up to 250 at one point but was smooth at that weight and didn't take photos. So based on his physique there's no reason to believe he necessarily took steroids after they became available.

He certainly was natural when he competed in the Mr Universe 1951 shown in this pic.

[Mongoose_Man]

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Who do you think lifts?

faurk... that lil gorl is strong as chit... I feel like a sissy boy now... she beat like 99% of the misc (srs)

[corozco]

inb4 180lb+ miscers say it's because they weigh a lot making it hard to do pull ups

I don't think weight should be an excuse, people should be somewhat decent at basic bodyweight movements. My PR is 16 reps but IMO anybody who is into fitness should at least be able to do 10 solid ones without kipping or cutting them short.

[oCR7]

I can do 15

[jdare77]

Can deadlift nearly 2x my bodyweight, but can't even do 5 pullups with strict form (granted I tried it for the first time last week). Expect it to improve over time but still ... I find it hard to believe there is any crossover between other back exercises and pullups if you don't do pullups. On close grip underhand chinups, I can probably do 8-10 reps

You'll get there, don't worry about it. The simple fact is, pullups are hard, very hard. They can humble most people pretty fast. Best tips I can give, push your elbows to the floor, concentrate on squeezing your shoulder blades together, and remember your lats, also looks straight ahead...you'll go from doing sets of 3-4 to sets of 12 in a few weeks....good luck.

[Bodybreak]

inb4 180- miscers say this because they are small

you consider 180lb alot?? feelsgoodman

can do over 20, but OP what about IFBB pro's who weigh 300lbs in off season?

Phil Heath recently posted a vid of him busting out wide grip pullups for easy reps right after rowing 405. Guys a fukkin monster.

[PitoNegroGrande]

damn i almost exercise. got to 11 tonight. next week i will finally lift.

[Domxmb]

I don't even work out/exercise (ever) and I can do 12 pull ups, what then OP?

[hzx]

if you're 180+ and can't do many pull ups, it's because you slacked off in training your back muscles

if you're 153lbs, it's because you slacked off training all your muscles.

that being said i can do 12

[opishomosex]

I can´t do 12 pull up´s with proper form but it´s not like I look like I lift anyway...

[RegParkWasNatty]

Its the ****ing common story, everyone preaches it so it becomes the truth, where in fact it is not consistent with the timeline of history. In fact, it all sounds like a bunch of shiit off blogs and wikipedia.

All reliable sources - publications by Terry Todd, John Fair, Randy Roach, Bill Starr, etc, as well as interviews and letters from John Ziegler, John Grimek, Bill March, etc - indicate that experimentation with testosterone for athletic purposes began in the U.S. sometime in either late 1954 or 1955. These 'trials' were short-lived, however, as the results were disappointing and testosterone use was deemed ineffective and carried the risk of harmful side-effects.

As i said, for a western bodybuilder or lifter to be using testosterone before late 1954/1955 he would had to have known more about the biochemistry of testosterone and it's potential athletic effects than any western sports physician - and have had access to what was then a relatively rarely used prescription drug. He would also had to have known more about how to effectively dose it than John Ziegler, who would go on to co-develop Dianabol just a few years later.

[Ranniks]

lol?

[zeddo]

Last time i tried i got 11 with perfect form and full ROM. Pretty sure if i was determined i could hit 13 or 14.