If it fits your macros is HUGE misunderstanding. Nutrious food is always better.

[Igmann]

Perhaps you should do less assuming and start basing your position on facts. Seriously.

I say this because much of your position requires that one not know the relevant facts and that one disregard physiology. That's not a good thing, by the way.

Yes, you're right & I'm learning new facts on a daily basis. There is a lot of contradicting information in the fitness industry. I use to believe that 6 meals was better for weight loss than 3...but now I know that meal frequency is irrelevant. The same goes for this current topic (simple sugars vs. complex)...Occasionally errors are made and we have others to correct them for us.

[Apex702]

IIFYM is misunderstood? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?


Below are pictures of the first and fourth month of IIFYM + IF on a recomp. I weigh the same in both pictures, added 1 1/2 - 2 inches to my biceps + 65lbs decline bench + 150lbs squat and took 2 inches off my waist.

EDIT: Ate ice cream every night before bed! O noes!!!!!

[jnbrk]

JK eats McDonald's every day when cutting, looks better than the OP, leaner, harder, just as big. Paul & Nico do IIFYM and eat ice cream every night during their contest prep for tested natty shows, both have striated glutes at show time. Not wise at all. I got this.

Nicola Elia (Milone79) pro natty bodybuilder, IIFYM believer.


Paul Mura (Cumulonimbus) teen bodybuilder, IIFYM believer, helps others with their contest prep.


Josef Rakich (same name on this forum), IIFYM believer, eats McDonald's daily on cuts.
Just look through his gallery....
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/ph...hotos/20109312






Both these posts say it best... OP doesn't actually understand IIFYM (meaning hit your alloted fat, protein, carbs, calories and micronutrients eating anything you want... but it will still require a lot of whole foods, fruits and veggies etc to hit all those micronutrients, pizza doesn't have all your vitamins,minerals & phytonutrients).

So if I will STILL require a lot whole foods, won't I have been excessed my calories? I don't want to be a d*ck, I'm just trying to learn.

[germaine07]

So if I will STILL require a lot whole foods, won't I have been excessed my calories? I don't want to be a d*ck, I'm just trying to learn.

No. It's very easy to get in all your micros with a reasonable amount of calories. A couple of servings of fruit and veg will only put you at a couple hundred calories for example.

[Geoloop]

I AM LIVING PROOF U ****S!!! some days i dont even count my macros, and still get good gains because my foods now are nutrious!!!!!

[SayMilesAway]

IIFYM supporter checking in.

[TomBremner]

op is a *******.

[aWellDressedApe]

i tend to agree, just not how the OP stated it. The basis of one's diet should be nutritious foods, plain and simple. As they say Health is Wealth. The doesn't mean you can't eat a cheeseburger or pizza. those foods are actually quite nutritious when prepared the right way, with whole fresh ingredients. Not some McDonald's quarter pounder or artificial piece of garbage pizza. To each there own but minimally processed whole foods are definitely the way to go

[Juicetin]

Clean foods will always be better for you than junk foods.

You can get gains from both, just do whatever works for you. Its your body after all

[kenny878]

My understanding of IIFYM was a means to decrease dieting stress - aim to eat nutritious whole food as much as you can and when you really crave something or are in a social situations with friends, just fit the food into your macros and move on with your life. It's not an excuse to eat cookie dough and drink protein shakes 24/7 but avoid the, "I can't eat anything when out with friends because it's not fish and rice cakes"

this x10

i eat mostly healthy foods unless im out on a social occassion

[anonymous]

iifym makes it alot easier for me to stick to healthy eating. when i know i can just fit something in i want i am much less likely to binge on crap because i knew i wasnt allowed it with traditional dieting. all about moderation. alot of bodybuilders have eating disorders from being so obsessed with food. just relax and eat good foods generally but dont feel bad when you have something 'dirty'

[jd1010108]

OP U're the retired whale slayer who get herpes or warts lol

[Ghosting]

Jeezus. I've trolled the crap out of eating poptarts and hitting the RDA. Making claims that I mostly eat clean and shop at Whole Foods. I didn't know this sort of thing grabbed so much attention.

NOTE TO SELF : don't even joke about this

[determined4000]

IIFYM is misunderstood? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?


Below are pictures of the first and fourth month of IIFYM + IF on a recomp. I weigh the same in both pictures, added 1 1/2 - 2 inches to my biceps + 65lbs decline bench + 150lbs squat and took 2 inches off my waist.

EDIT: Ate ice cream every night before bed! O noes!!!!!

you added 150 lbs to your squat in 4 months?
What were you squatting to start, Bodyweight?

[Jelet]

you added 150 lbs to your squat in 4 months?
What were you squatting to start, Bodyweight?

He added 150lbs in 4 months to his squat with a recomp.. LMFAO. He is what i call a typical IIFYM...er

Fruading just like the rest of them... 150lbs with a recomp.. HAHAHHAA....


There r tons of studies that show how certain fats increaseur test. I aint gonna argue with u kids.

Do what u want.

The only time ifym works is if its something small in the diet...

[Jelet]

OP U're the retired whale slayer who get herpes or warts lol

Std free, and retired from whale slaying about 2 years ago. U mad virgin *******.

[HDMiBarry]

TS I just came to say that you look almost exactly like a bulked up version of me.

I stared at that picture for a long time (no homo)(yes narcissism).

[jnbrk]

No. It's very easy to get in all your micros with a reasonable amount of calories. A couple of servings of fruit and veg will only put you at a couple hundred calories for example.

Ok, thanks I already eat 2 different veggies with olive oil and 1-2 fruits everyday, so I think I don't have to worry about my micros.

He added 150lbs in 4 months to his squat with a recomp.. LMFAO. He is what i call a typical IIFYM...er

Fruading just like the rest of them... 150lbs with a recomp.. HAHAHHAA....


There r tons of studies that show how certain fats increaseur test. I aint gonna argue with u kids.

Do what u want.

The only time ifym works is if its something small in the diet...

But can it be every single day if it's something small? I mean like eating biscuits that contains 200-300 calories everyday? For a guy who takes 2700 calories daily?

[dsryan]

Speaking directly to the OP here..

I'm not going to attempt at bashing your post or anything like that.. but I'd like to see how your view differs with various examples.. Now, your body doesn't know that you're putting a GOODFELLAS (TM) pizza inside or a couple slices of chicken breast with brown rice.. it sees: protein, fats and carbs. So lets say I require 25g protein and 10g carbs.. I am able to get this from a half mexican chilli spiced pizza with cheese that will also provide micronutrients. How would that 25g protein and 10g carbs be any different from brown rice or chicken etc aslong as I hit my macro and micro nutrients by the end of the day?

For me, IIFYM is amazing. I went 24 months on a 'clean' diet when I first started out and let me tell you.. it was the longest 24 months of my life. Don't get me wrong.. I did get gains and got in good shape, felt healthy etc.. but I also felt a bit drained due to forcing myself to eat food I simply didn't like.. so when I learned about IIFYM I incorporated that right away.

Since I've done IIFYM I've noticed 'fast gains' - why? Because time passes by quicker. A month will feel like a week regardless of cutting or bulking. The simple change of eating what you want as opposed to eating clean has made a huge difference to my bodybuilding experience and I'm sure its had the same effect on many other people. I look forward to what I'm going to eat every night and nibble on fruit throughout the day to ensure I hit my micros.

[AlwaysTryin]

it's something small? I mean like eating biscuits that contains 200-300 calories everyday? For a guy who takes 2700 calories daily?

Yes

[JasonDB]

A lot of people in this thread still think there are clean and dirty foods, healthy and unhealthy foods and that massloading micronutrients has health or performance benefits even while claiming to follow and understand IIFYM.

If you think there is a percentage of foods you are allowed to eat that is "junk food" and that the rest must come for your idea of "healthy" or "whole" foods in order to reach ideal micronutrient suffeciency either you don't understand nutritional science or you are just bad at math. There is no percentage... either your overall diet fits your macros and micros and is balanced... or it doesn't. It has nothing to do with percentages. I could literally get 70-80% of my calories from assorted pizzas with various toppings and only 20-30% of my remaiing calories from lean protein sources (whey, chicken, steak, GY etc) and some veggies and fruits and literally hit 2-3x the RDA on every single micro while hitting my macros perfectly... and have a diet that is considered healthy and balanced from a nutritional science perspective. Although pizza is a whole food so it might be a moot point. LoL

[Geoloop]

lol someone is mad...

[WonderPug]

A lot of people in this thread still think there are clean and dirty foods, healthy and unhealthy foods and that massloading micronutrients has health or performance benefits even while claiming to follow and understand IIFYM.

If you think there is a percentage of foods you are allowed to eat that is "junk food" and that the rest must come for your idea of "healthy" or "whole" foods in order to reach ideal micronutrient suffeciency either you don't understand nutritional science or you are just bad at math. There is no percentage... either your overall diet fits your macros and micros and is balanced... or it doesn't. It has nothing to do with percentages. I could literally get 70-80% of my calories from assorted pizzas with various toppings and only 20-30% of my remaiing calories from lean protein sources (whey, chicken, steak, GY etc) and some veggies and fruits and literally hit 2-3x the RDA on every single micro while hitting my macros perfectly... and have a diet that is considered healthy and balanced from a nutritional science perspective. Although pizza is a whole food so it might be a moot point. LoL

Quoted for emphasis.

Man do I love your posts!!!

[Charontes]

A lot of people in this thread still think there are clean and dirty foods, healthy and unhealthy foods and that massloading micronutrients has health or performance benefits even while claiming to follow and understand IIFYM.

If you think there is a percentage of foods you are allowed to eat that is "junk food" and that the rest must come for your idea of "healthy" or "whole" foods in order to reach ideal micronutrient suffeciency either you don't understand nutritional science or you are just bad at math. There is no percentage... either your overall diet fits your macros and micros and is balanced... or it doesn't. It has nothing to do with percentages. I could literally get 70-80% of my calories from assorted pizzas with various toppings and only 20-30% of my remaiing calories from lean protein sources (whey, chicken, steak, GY etc) and some veggies and fruits and literally hit 2-3x the RDA on every single micro while hitting my macros perfectly... and have a diet that is considered healthy and balanced from a nutritional science perspective. Although pizza is a whole food so it might be a moot point. LoL

Wait, you study nutrition and you think the body only sees macros? Ok...

I'm pretty sure there is more to health, physiology and overall well being than fitting your macros. I think there is a plethora of vitamins, minerals and other processes the require things more than carbs, protein and fat, but hey, what do I know.

[Ajaro]

Wait, you study nutrition and you think the body only sees macros? Ok...

I'm pretty sure there is more to health, physiology and overall well being than fitting your macros. I think there is a plethora of vitamins, minerals and other processes the require things more than carbs, protein and fat, but hey, what do I know.

If you would have read the post you quoted, you would have seen that he addressed micros.

[JasonDB]

Wait, you study nutrition and you think the body only sees macros? Ok...

I'm pretty sure there is more to health, physiology and overall well being than fitting your macros. I think there is a plethora of vitamins, minerals and other processes the require things more than carbs, protein and fat, but hey, what do I know.

Strawman argument.

You clearly stopped at the word "IIFYM" and didn't read anything else in my post before replying. Or you didn't understand the meaning fo the words I used and misunderstood.

Micros is short for micronutrients (just like macros is short for macronutrients) and it means "vitamins, minerals and phytonutrients".

[ErickStevens]

I added 130lbs to my squat in 10 months. 415-> 545. Jelet, you mad you non lifting *******?

[JasonDB]

I added 130lbs to my squat in 10 months. 415-> 545. Jelet, you mad you non lifting *******?

Pop tarts = PR's... this is a well known fact.

[Charontes]

Strawman argument.

You clearly stopped at the word "IIFYM" and didn't read anything else in my post before replying. Or you didn't understand the meaning fo the words I used and misunderstood.

Micros is short for micronutrients (just like macros is short for macronutrients) and it means "vitamins, minerals and phytonutrients".

No, this is why I listen to my doctors and not some guy on the internet. You're going to make the worlds ****tiest dietitian.

Client: Jason, I have chrons disease and need some guidance.
Jason: Eat pizza and take your supplements and that's all that matters. There is no unhealthy food.

Lol, the fact that you have people that listen to you is just crazy.

[ErickStevens]

Client: Jason, I have chrons disease and need some guidance.
Jason: Eat pizza and take your supplements and that's all that matters. There is no unhealthy food.

I'm sure Jason would say that.