Without a Photo or a Body ("Dumped at Sea"), How Do We Know it Was Bin Laden?

[LizzieTish]

Ignoring that this thread has already descended into the standard fare of ever-changing topics and Hasbarat accusations, allow me to provide a direct answer and some ideas...

- To put it simply, we (the public) don't know for sure.

But, quite simply, it's the most obvious, likely, and logical answer. For example:

1. Bin Laden is still alive and free.
- I don't think anyone has stated this as a claim, since it would be instantly destroyed by a simple appearance from Bin Laden - thus destroying all credibility of this administration and the US. Far too much of a risk to take by conducting a "staged" capture/kill.

I do not believe he is alive because there was a funeral for him in 2001, but your logic lacks any credibility. We do not see the thousands of people that have been treasonously renditioned to Gitmo and parts unknown--and even if we did, the saturation of control over the MSM is beyond surreal. The MSM still refuses to mention the words Ron and Paul juxtaposed. They are ignoring the over 100,000 voters who have gone to see Ron Paul live in the last weeks and the fact that in the last 2 weeks, Ron Paul has secured the most delegates in Iowa, Alaska, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, Nevada, and Massachussetts (Romney's home state). The MSM has a narrative they follow irrespective of reality, self determination of sovereign countries, or the will of man.

2. Bin Laden has been known-dead for X years.

This is actually true, it has been confirmed. This is the historical record. Not sure why you are suggesting this as if it was a theory when it is a confirmed and official fact. You should look at why you are denying this truth because it might has something to do with you wanting attention, being anti-social, having issues with work, etc. You know the standard rebuttals for anyone not agreeing and pushing official narratives. In this case, the official narrative is actually correct, Bin Laden has been dead for many years. But let us take a look at your weak defense for your outlandish conspiracy theory...

- One of the more common claims. Which begs the logical question: If "they" could have staged this event, the most useful propaganda stunt in anyone's memory, at any time in the past decade or into the future... why in the world would they pick early 2011?

This was a rather minor stunt compared to the assassination of Pat Tillman. With the staged re-killing of the re-animated Bin Laden body double nonsense, there was no father, wife, brothers and most importantly mother to have to neutralize. In the end Pat's mother defended the entire armed forces and defended the sanctity of this great country by exposing the powerful work of narratives within the armed forces. This use of narratives by Rendon, Lincoln, Powell Tate are wholesale acts of treason and thanks to the Tillman family's unprecedented patriotism, the American people are aware of this weapon against us and how to deal with it. The staged Bin Laden crap is a narrative, it is an act of treason.

It was a completely useless time.

As far as the timing, it was done to distract from the fake birth certificate the Bilderberg puppet in chief presented a few days earlier.

We're to believe this staged capture/death wasn't used to ensure a Bush re-election, wasn't used to ensure a McCain election, wasn't held to assure an Obama re-election, wasn't used to push through any controversial legislation in the past decade... But for some reason, "they" chose to waste this event for no political gain.

I guess you do not like to research because a few days earlier, the fake birth certificate was presented proving that Soetoro/Obummer has committed fraud and the possibility of all his anti-constitutional legislation and EO's could be more quickly dismissed by more and more people. Funny you should mention the Bush re-election because Madeline Albright alluded to the possibility of Bush wheeling out a dead Bin Laden to help his re-election. Gee, I wonder why she said that. Must've been some kind of weird coincidence huh?

http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.co.u...bin-ladin.html
"On 12/18/03, David Adams, writing for The Guardian (UK) asked "On December 17, in a Fox News interview, while musing about the alleged capture of Saddam Hussein, Madeline Albright said the Neocon/Bush regime may reveal Bin Laden's capture as an "October surprise", just before the 2004 presidential elections. We are now How did the US confirm Saddam's identity so quickly?hard-pressed to find the actual transcript of those comments on Fox News, but they are reported elsewhere, verbatum. The actual transcript Fox News is now downplaying Albright's comments featuring her claim that the comment was made "tongue in cheek". But Fox News analyst and Roll Call executive editor Mort Kondracke. "She was not smiling.""

3. Bin Laden was captured, and only the death was staged.
- Combines the elements of #1 & #2... Any future leak of this critical information, any future appearance, any future reference to any intelligence gleaned from him after his "death" would instantly discredit this administration as a pack of liars

That may be a scenario for other narratives but unlikely for this one.

So, to repeat the previous question that was asked sarcastically: Why would this be lied about? What possible reward is worth the enormous risk if just one person ever states the facts? (Especially since such a "reward" fot the government/politicians didn't happen).

So I repeat the obvious...to distract from the fraudulent birth certificate and re-invigorate a failure of a presidency while denying more awareness of how fraudulent all the recent legislation and EO's are.

[voodoo101]

Why wouldnt somebody take a picture, document the event, evidence, something. I find it extremely hard to believe, thats all. I can search online for a daniel pearl execution video, but bin laden with a bullet hole in his head is to graphic? Trolololol.


-'Lets just say we killed him and immediately dumped his body into the ocean'

-'But we cant produce any evidence for it'

-'Doesnt matter, they're dumb enough to believe it. And if they dont, what can they do'?

What the cover-up artists here never mention is the CIA has already admitted, to the Washington Post, that it has faked bin Laden videos.

Washington Post

The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors were drawn from “some of us darker-skinned employees,” he said.

Real bin Laden 1998 ABC John Miller interview


2007 bin Laden, DIG THE BORAT BEARD, or he got younger...In this video he has cut beard (forbidden), dyed beard black (STRICTLY forbidden.) Note voice is not the same as above, in this voice is deeper:

I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. Bin Laden interview with Daily Ummat, Sept. 2001, posted in Lew Rockwell

"The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity." Bin Laden interview with Daily Ummat, Sept. 2001, posted in Lew Rockwell

So if the story of Ali Baba Laden and His 19 Hijackers is a fairy tale, who in the heck crashed those planes into the Towers? The technology of remote flying is very old.

Christian Science Monitor: Drone pilots: Why war is also hard for remote soldiers

A US Air Force captain operates a Predator drone over Kandahar, Afghanistan, from Creech Air Force Base in Indian Springs, Nev., Tony Avelar/The Christian Science Monitor/File

Of interest, PDF:

Plausibility Of 9/11 Aircraft Attacks Generated By GPS-Guided Aircraft Autopilot Systems

Aidan Monaghan (B.Sc., EET)

Abstract

The alleged flight performances of inexperienced terrorist pilots accused of proficiently operating complex flight control systems of four aircraft during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 has surprised observers. Moreover, official information presented to demonstrate terrorist pilot control of the said aircraft has been either unverifiable or demonstrated to contain noteworthy anomalies. The flight paths of the September 11, 2001 attack aircraft bear characteristics common to the capabilities provided by precision automated flight control systems and related commercial aviation technology that emerged just prior to these attacks. The clandestine use of precise augmented GPS guided auto-pilot aircraft systems in order to perform the said aircraft attacks is hypothesized.

Guided entirely by autopilot, an Air China Boeing 757 jet last month snaked along a narrow river valley between towering Himalayan peaks ... the airplane automatically followed the twists of the valley, descending on a precisely plotted highway in the sky toward a runway still out of sight ... Using global-positioning satellites and on-board instruments, Naverus' navigation technology pinpoints the location of a fast-moving jet to within yards ... "You're watching the whole thing unfold. The airplane is turning, going where it's supposed to go ... it's all automatic.""[15] http://www.journalof911studies.com/v...msMonaghan.pdf

Following image from website for Flight Termination System (FTS), invented by Dov Zakheim, Comptroller of the Pentagon on Sept. 10, 2001 the day $2.3 trillion was announced missing. Zakheim's company SPC invented FTS to enable the seizing of hijacked airliners from the ground. The system had already been tested by 9/11 although Bush lied about this in a speech:




Zakheim was also a member of Project for a New American Century, advocating the invasion of Iraq since the 1990s. Zakheim's father was an active member of Irgun, the terrorist organization which bombed British targets in order to found Israel.


Dov Zakheim

HISTORYCOMMONS: October 2, 2001: Remote Controlled Passenger Airplane Flew Before 9/11, Despite Claims to the Contrary (HistoryCommons.org)



"A Raytheon 727 lands in New Mexico in August, 2001. [Source: Associated Press] It is reported that the US company Raytheon landed a 727 six times in a military base in New Mexico without any pilots on board. This was done to test equipment making future hijackings more difficult, by allowing ground control to take over the flying of a hijacked plane." [Associated Press, 10/2/2001; Der Spiegel (Hamburg), 10/28/2001]

see:
911: Venturing a Plausible Theory of the Crime
http://busharchives.org/steve.html

American Military Officers for 9/11 Truth
http://patriotsquestion911.com

Possible suspects:
http://whodidit.org/cocon.html

[flairon]

Readers: as of this post you have been granted a rare look into the mind of whackjobs. Enjoy.

[Bushmaster]

I do not believe he is alive because there was a funeral for him in 2001, but your logic lacks any credibility.

No, you have an anonymous AQ/Taliban source who says there was a funeral and that Bin Laden was buried in an anonymous grave. That's it.

For a group of people who continually whine about not having any proof of anything re 9/11, you fruits sure latched on to that and held on to it like its gospel for some reason.

[flairon]

No, you have an anonymous AQ/Taliban source who says there was a funeral and that Bin Laden was buried in an anonymous grave. That's it.

For a group of people who continually whine about not having any proof of anything re 9/11, you fruits sure latched on to that and held on to it like its gospel for some reason.

well yeah but the anonymous sources are anonymous because the government will silence them if they are found out!!

[nutsy54]

So, Lizzie's massive wall of text, most of which had absolutely nothing to do with this thread, boils down to this theory:
The greatest propaganda stunt in our lifetime was used to... distract from a birth certificate that's still readily available for inspection and questioning. It's truly amazing that this was the most important thing which needed to be covered up/manipulated in the past decade or into the foreseeable future.

Irony: Dozens (hundreds?) of military members are brought into a treasonous conspiracy to protect a man who would have no legal authority if the alleged "truth" came out

So, Lizzie, does it really make sense that with every opportunity such a staged event could have been used to great advantage in the past decade, this turned out to be the most important? I think it's especially funny that (according to Alex Jones & Co.) the previous administration was going to do everything possible to prevent Barack Obama from taking office... but once he's in, suddenly it's all about keeping him in (yet not important enough to save such a massive publicity stunt for the 2012 elections).

See how these theories always tend to morph and change to suit whatever happens to be convenient at the moment?

This is actually true, it has been confirmed. This is the historical record. Not sure why you are suggesting this as if it was a theory when it is a confirmed and official fact.

Please show us the basis for your "confirmed and official fact". (You may first need to check the dictionary for the meaning of "confirmed", "official", and "fact"). Please note that your "confirmed and official fact" should be based on something more than anonymous sources, or a partisan political sarcastic prediction.... which never came true.

[LizzieTish]

No, you have an anonymous AQ/Taliban source who says there was a funeral and that Bin Laden was buried in an anonymous grave. That's it.

No, you have an anonymous source who says he was killed in a raid in Pakistan when every single witness says that the house did not contain Bin Laden and Bilderberg/CFR member Steve P. explains that all they did was kill an Osama body double (if they indeed killed him). Your anonymous source has lied about WMD's which has caused the mass murder of over 1 million women and children and is the reason that every 10 hours one of our soldiers commits suicide (highest rates in the history of the armed forces). But there is more, my anonymous source is supported by all of the evidence (mainly that no actual bin laden tape was released after the funeral) including the fact that (like all the other CIA-Red Team 'terrorists') he gets killed over and over again. They are like Anthony Perkins in Psycho continuing to talk to his mother's skeleton whenever the sh*t hit the fan. Well the Bush-O-Bummer administration wheels out the bin laden corpse whenever the sh*t hits the fan.

Here are sources which support the facts whereas you only have a shocked look on Hil-Dog's face supporting your false narratives.

Sources:
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NY TIMES: OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD
3 PAGE REPORT OF THE DEATH OF BIN LADEN BASED ON MULTIPLE SOURCES
ONE OF THE SOURCES WAS THE PRESIDENT OF PAKISTAN WHO IS NOT ANONYMOUS
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/11/op...odaysheadlines
By Amir Taheri
Published: July 11, 2002

Osama bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan almost six months ago: the fugitive died in December and was buried in the mountains of southeast Afghanistan. Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf, echoed the information. The remnants of Osama's gang, however, have mostly stayed silent, either to keep Osama's ghost alive or because they have no means of communication.
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More: (remove spaces between b b c in below link, no idea why it's censored)

Probe into 'Bin Laden death' leak
http://news.b b c.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5374160.stm
"President Jacques Chirac has ordered an inquiry into the leak of a French secret service memo claiming that Osama Bin Laden had died."

Benazir Bhutto Confirms that Osama Bin Laden is Dead (Video)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...36576648647371
"In an interview only months before her death, Bhutto, possibly unintentionally, admitted that Bin Laden had been killed. She refers to someone as "the man who killed Osama Bin Laden""

Bin Laden may be dead, but living on through old sound bites
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...rror_02_11.asp
"U.S. intelligence agencies are beginning to suspect that Al Qaida leader Osama Bin Laden is dead after all, despite a recent audio tape exhorting Al Qaida terrorists in Iraq."

Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is dead, heir has been chosen
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...ism_10_16.html
"Osama Bin Laden appears to be dead but his colleagues have decided that Al Qaida and its insurgency campaign against the United States will continue, Israeli intelligence sources said."

Osama bin Laden: A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...sama_dead.html
"Osama bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan almost six months ago: the fugitive died in December [2001] and was buried in the mountains of southeast Afghanistan. Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf, echoed the information. The remnants of Osama's gang, however, have mostly stayed silent, either to keep Osama's ghost alive or because they have no means of communication."

If bin Laden was dead, Would the U.S. admit it?
http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/

Report: Bin Laden Already Dead
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html
"Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader."

Above references originally found on this site:
http://www.americanussr.com/american...-bin-laden.htm

[US_Ranger]

Lizzie, are you mentally retarded? (srs)

[LizzieTish]

Lizzie, are you mentally retarded? (srs)

The only people who aren't retarded believe what the Pentagon and State Department say?

[frasersteen]

The only people who aren't retarded believe what the Pentagon and State Department say?

No but the people who believe what you do with the pathetic standards of evidence you employ normally are.

[Caesar735]

oh look a female using retarded logic and responding to everyone and trying to garner as much attention as possible


new
interesting

[US_Ranger]

The only people who aren't retarded believe what the Pentagon and State Department say?

No, I'm referring to how you deflect everything that questions your version of the story, change the angle of the thread to be about something else, never answer questions and then make constant straw-man arguments only to change the topic again when people question you.

You're probably in dire need of being diagnosed for some sort of mental disorder.

[flairon]

No, I'm referring to how you deflect everything that questions your version of the story, change the angle of the thread to be about something else, never answer questions and then make constant straw-man arguments only to change the topic again when people question you.

You're probably in dire need of being diagnosed for some sort of mental disorder.

He and voodoo deflect because they don't have any real answers for these 'questions' if they don't come from www.911supersecrettruth.com

[LizzieTish]

No, I'm referring to how you deflect everything that questions your version of the story, change the angle of the thread to be about something else, never answer questions and then make constant straw-man arguments only to change the topic again when people question you.

I provided sources. It is you who won't accept reality. The "questions" your complaining about not being answered are ill-formed questions that are patently absurd, and full of spin. Bushmaster's SOURCES are the same sources that have lied about WMD's which has caused the mass murder of over 1 million women and children and is the reason that every 10 hours one of our soldiers commits suicide (highest rates in the history of the armed forces). Don't you get why there are UAV's flying around in America? Because YOU'RE THE TERRORIST. You claim to be aware of the reality of the NDAA, yet you defend this bin laden crap? Don't you f*cking get how the NDAA stemmed from 9/11? Don't you get that because it makes you the enemy that it shows you what the actual motive of 9/11 was? (to make YOU the enemy)

[flairon]

I provided sources. It is you who won't accept reality. The "questions" your complaining about not being answered are ill-formed questions that are patently absurd, and full of spin. Bushmaster's SOURCES are the same sources that have lied about WMD's which has caused the mass murder of over 1 million women and children and is the reason that every 10 hours one of our soldiers commits suicide (highest rates in the history of the armed forces). Don't you get why there are UAV's flying around in America? Because YOU'RE THE TERRORIST. You claim to be aware of the reality of the NDAA, yet you defend this bin laden crap? Don't you f*cking get how the NDAA stemmed from 9/11? Don't you get that because it makes you the enemy that it shows you what the actual motive of 9/11 was? (to make YOU the enemy)

your sources are not reality, they are conspiracy theorist garbage.

there have not been 1 million women and children murdered.

The war is probably just one small reason for soldiers coming back almost straight from combat to a country in sh*tty economic times and no jobs wanting to kill themselves.

There are UAV's flying around the southern part of the country, where illegals are streaming across the border and we don't have anywhere near enough manpower to cover the vast distances in question

The NDAA didn't stem from 911

in conclusion, you're an idiot.

[JrM703]

While the Bush Administration screwed up plenty in 8 years, when it came to the capture, and execution of Saddam Hussein they left no doubt.
The Obama Administration on the other hand botched something that was seemingly a slam dunk. There will always be doubt now as to what happened to Osama Bin Laden.

[LizzieTish]

your sources are not reality, they are conspiracy theorist garbage.

"We have been conditioned to laugh at conspiracy theories, and few people will risk public ridicule by advocating them. On the other hand, to endorse the accidental view is absurd. Almost all of history is an unbroken trail of one conspiracy after another. Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception."

--G. Edward Griffin: The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve (1994)

there have not been 1 million women and children murdered.

The estimate that over a million Iraqis have died received independent confirmation from a prestigious British polling agency in January 2008. Opinion Research Business estimated that the death toll between March 2003 and August 2007 was 1,033,000.

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq
http://web.archive.org/web/201106101...spx?NewsId=120

The war is probably just one small reason for soldiers coming back almost straight from combat to a country in sh*tty economic times and no jobs wanting to kill themselves.

The "wars" did a lot to create that sh*tty economy, and the people who started those "wars" are the same people who stole tens of trillions of dollars out of the U.S. economy. But even so, you calling it a "small reason" is total bullsh*t which I will address later, even with mainstream sources that you can't cry about.

There are UAV's flying around the southern part of the country, where illegals are streaming across the border and we don't have anywhere near enough manpower to cover the vast distances in question

That's all theater. The govt. doesn't give a f*ck about illegals, they only pretend to. They staged illegals being captured on camera, and when the camera is shut off, the government hands out all of them green cards. Helping illegals get into this country helps the government destroy the middle class. Are so you f*cking naive that you think the government is actually trying to help America?

The NDAA didn't stem from 911

Go read the bill. If the 9/11 false flag wasn't carried out, there would be no context of "terrorists" in the NDAA that they say can be assassinated.

[flairon]

"We have been conditioned to laugh at conspiracy theories, and few people will risk public ridicule by advocating them. On the other hand, to endorse the accidental view is absurd. Almost all of history is an unbroken trail of one conspiracy after another. Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception."

--G. Edward Griffin: The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve (1994)

That doesn't change the fact that your sources are total bullsh*t with no facts, basis in reality or relevant people giving their views.

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq
http://web.archive.org/web/201106101...spx?NewsId=120

Iraq Body Count project 105,052 — 114,731 civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. Over 162,000 civilian and combatant deaths[1][2] March 2003 to January 2012
Associated Press 110,600 deaths March 2003 to April 2009
Lancet survey 601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths
Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 violent deaths March 2003 to June 2006
WikiLeaks. Classified Iraq war logs[1][3][4][5] 109,032 deaths including 66,081 civilian deaths.[6][7] January 2004 to December 2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
Looking at those sources, i'm going to say that the actual body count is probably somewhere in the 120,000 range for '03-'12 which sound about right. Mathematically 1 million deaths over 9 years would mean 111,111 a year, 9259 a month, 309 a day, about 13 per hour. You think we're killing an average of 13 people an hour in the middle east for the last decade? Really? What are they doing with the bodies because at 13 funerals an hour, there should be piles of bodies, miles of graves or funeral pyres that have the whole area lit 24/7

The "wars" did a lot to create that sh*tty economy, and the people who started those "wars" are the same people who stole tens of trillions of dollars out of the U.S. economy. But even so, you calling it a "small reason" is total bullsh*t which I will address later, even with mainstream sources that you can't cry about.

So you think that a combat soldier, who just a day or so ago was ducking bullets, or trying to hold a compress onto his buddy's wounds as his guts spill out, or has spent the last few months stepping over dead bodies, watching buddies get spread across the landscape, wondering whether today was the day he was going to join them or get a letter from his wife (if she stayed around after deployment) telling him the house was about to be foreclosed upon, and today is in hometown u.s.a. having various mental issues is really only concerned about the economy?

That's all theater. The govt. doesn't give a f*ck about illegals, they only pretend to. They staged illegals being captured on camera, and when the camera is shut off, the government hands out all of them green cards. Helping illegals get into this country helps the government destroy the middle class. Are so you f*cking naive that you think the government is actually trying to help America?

You're functionally retarded. You might want to seriously go to the Dr. and get checked out. I'm not joking in the least.

Go read the bill. If the 9/11 false flag wasn't carried out, there would be no context of "terrorists" in the NDAA that they say can be assassinated.

Yes, there were no terrorists before 9/11. None.

[voodoo101]

Lizzie, are you mentally retarded? (srs)

LOL How come all the posters with the tough-sounding military names have no AVI? Little phaggot.

Retarded is anyone who believed the joke "Situation Room " photo which shows just how stupid they think Americans are, and in your case they are right. It's a straight rip-off from the movie "Patriot Games." Piezcenik is the real Jack Ryan in the Clancy novels.

Former Assistant Secretary of State Dr. Steve Piezcenik at Veterans Today: Bin Laden Died In 2001."

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05...-a-false-flag/

Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later employed around the world.

Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence circles over the past three decades plus.

The character of Jack Ryan, who appears in many Tom Clancy novels and was also played by Harrison Ford in the popular 1992 movie Patriot Games, is also based on Steve Pieczenik.
...

Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.

Marfan syndrome is a degenerative genetic disease for which there is no permanent cure. The illness severely shortens the life span of the sufferer.

“He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it,” said Pieczenik, noting how CIA physicians had visited Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.

“He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.

“Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation, the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan, adding, “This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s nonsense,” referring to the images released by the White House which claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen.

“It’s a total make-up, make believe, we’re in an American theater of the absurd….why are we doing this again….nine years ago this man was already dead….why does the government repeatedly have to lie to the American people,” asked Pieczenik.

Piezcenik bio.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Pieczenik

[nutsy54]

Voodoo: Still pretending Piecznick hasn't exposed himself as a liar and fraud... or part of the conspiracy.

One year after he claimed to have key inside information and proof, he's still completely silent. So he either has nothing (attention-whoring liar), or he refuses to release it (protecting the guilty).

Seriously, time to come up with some new cut & paste...

[LizzieTish]

So, Lizzie's massive wall of text, most of which had absolutely nothing to do with this thread, boils down to this theory:

Why are you so scared to read? Reading is fundamental. If you would have read the 10 sentences (wall of text...that is a good one) you might have realized that it has absolutely everything to do with this thread.

The greatest propaganda stunt in our lifetime was used to

Greatest propaganda stunt in our lifetime?

I think that the cover up of Project Paperclip which indirectly supported Operation Gladio, ringworm children, origins of the 'secret team' (parallel clandestine government), and the use of the general population as lab rats for eugenics, nuclear, bio/chem weaponry testing was a much bigger propaganda stunt. Additionally, the shock and awe 777 drop in the stock market which included a false narrative of a global financial meltdown to push the illegal bailout was a much greater propaganda stunt. It was a $700 billion propaganda stunt. The assassination of Judge Roll and the attempted assassination of Rep Gifford using fast and furious false flagging to blame random gun owners for Eric Holder's confirmed operation was a much greater propaganda stunt. There are dozens more in our lifetime, not sure why you are so in love with the fake OBL nonsense, it really was kind of a minor propaganda stunt in relation to the top 50 or so in our lifetime.

...distract from a birth certificate that's still readily available for inspection and questioning.

Are you for real, a third grader can see it is fake. Just blow it up 10x and you will see multiple layers of evidence of obvious fraud. It is as if they want us to see it and realize how much power they have to push such lies in plain sight.

Irony: Dozens (hundreds?) of military members are brought into a treasonous conspiracy to protect a man who would have no legal authority if the alleged "truth" came out

Irony: you think you actually know how to argue when all you do is go batsh*t crazy about peripheral issues, use sensationalism for emotional effect, and seem to be fearful of actually having a rational conversation about issues that are of legitimate concern.

So, Lizzie, does it really make sense that with every opportunity such a staged event could have been used to great advantage in the past decade, this turned out to be the most important?

Not the most important thing, but according to the FBI, it is a big enough issue that they released special memos about it claiming that it could drive this country into a civil war. I do not agree with the FBI's assessment, but it is no small matter.

I think it's especially funny that (according to Alex Jones & Co.) the previous administration was going to do everything possible to prevent Barack Obama from taking office...

Not sure why you wish to say that Arbeit Macht Frei, 2+2=5, and ignorance=strength, but that is exactly what you are doing with such absurdities. The documentaries "The Obama Deception" and "Fall of the Republic" expose that Obama=Bush in black face. The cover of the DVD shows a guy with Bush's skin color putting on the Obama mask. Your statement equates to up=down and war=peace.

but once he's in, suddenly it's all about keeping him in (yet not important enough to save such a massive publicity stunt for the 2012 elections).

When you realize the mistakes in your previous statement, the mistakes in your concluding statement should become obvious.

See how these theories always tend to morph and change to suit whatever happens to be convenient at the moment?

See how your relationship to reality seems to morph into a live performance of Fernando Arrabal's Picnic on the Battlefield set upon the backdrop of a Salvador Dali painting? Absurdity played in front of a surreal horizon.

Please show us the basis for your "confirmed and official fact".

Again, your fear of reading may have prevented you from seeing the 10x confirmed official fact.

(You may first need to check the dictionary for the meaning of "confirmed", "official", and "fact").

Have you ever used a dictionary? I do not see how you possibly could seeing as it is hundreds of pages all filled with "walls of text".

Please note that your "confirmed and official fact" should be based on something more than anonymous sources, or a partisan political sarcastic prediction.... which never came true.

CORRECT! and that is why the absurd narrative that you are pushing is not a confirmed and official fact! Oh man, did I just blow your mind? Maybe you should go back to your Salvador Dali painting, you may find serenity there. Reality may be too broad a concept for you to deal with considering your fear of "walls of text".

[Brahseph]

If it wasnt Osama and he was still at large.. you think that Osama wouldnt make a video of him saying "umad obama?" and make the US look like sh!t to the rest of the world?

Use your brain.

[LizzieTish]

If it wasnt Osama and he was still at large.. you think that Osama wouldnt make a video of him saying "umad obama?" and make the US look like sh!t to the rest of the world?

Use your brain.

He's been dead for over 10 years, and defense contractors along with DHS and the Pentagon consider all Americans terrorists just because we still exercise some freedom. This, on it's face, proves the "War on Terror" had nothing to do with Bin Laden, KSM, or any other aspect of that giant fairy tale.

[Phil9]

He's been dead for over 10 years, and defense contractors along with DHS and the Pentagon consider all Americans terrorists just because we still exercise some freedom. This, on it's face, proves the "War on Terror" had nothing to do with Bin Laden, KSM, or any other aspect of that giant fairy tale.

If OBL was dead during the Bush Administration, why don't any of the people in the administration mention it? It would essentially destroy Obama's entire campaign...

[flairon]

If OBL was dead during the Bush Administration, why don't any of the people in the administration mention it? It would essentially destroy Obama's entire campaign...

well because they're all in on it of course.

duh..

[LizzieTish]

Iraq Body Count project 105,052 — 114,731 civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. Over 162,000 civilian and combatant deaths[1][2] March 2003 to January 2012
Associated Press 110,600 deaths March 2003 to April 2009
Lancet survey 601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths
Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 violent deaths March 2003 to June 2006
WikiLeaks. Classified Iraq war logs[1][3][4][5] 109,032 deaths including 66,081 civilian deaths.[6][7] January 2004 to December 2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
Looking at those sources, i'm going to say that the actual body count is probably somewhere in the 120,000 range for '03-'12 which sound about right. Mathematically 1 million deaths over 9 years would mean 111,111 a year, 9259 a month, 309 a day, about 13 per hour. You think we're killing an average of 13 people an hour in the middle east for the last decade? Really? What are they doing with the bodies because at 13 funerals an hour, there should be piles of bodies, miles of graves or funeral pyres that have the whole area lit 24/7

The actual body count is over 1 million. Probably closer to 2 million. Iraq Body Count is a state controlled propaganda operation to continually lie about the mass murder and genocide against a people that never attacked us. Very similar to the extermination of Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotians, Indonesians, Bosnians, Panamanians, El Salvadorians, etc. etc. The massive depopulation and genocide campaigns run by Bilderberg psychos who have hijacked our foreign policy direction are easily exposed as they leave a trail a mile long. Watch this one documentary about entire bombing campaigns to murder hundreds of thousands of innocents that were never even logged into the public record: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...64859238659487 Research Operation Menu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Menu

Even before the mass murdering of Iraqi civilians in our current 'overseas contingency plan', Madeline Albright admitted that our foreign policy led to over 500,000 children being depopulated during a similar timeframe. When asked what she felt about the wholesale slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi children due to her approval of the brutal sanctions, she nearly repeater Kissinger's mantra of 'birth pangs' when she said "it was worth it". Condi also repeated Kissinger's sadistic joke on the world...'Birth Pangs' when referring to illegal mass murder of Middle Easterners.

Yup, birth pangs, the birth pangs of Rosemary's Baby. Just what exactly are we birthing there anyway? [Birth Pangs of Rosemary's Baby: http://www.fff.org/comment/com0608a.asp] And it is not just the mass murdering of over 1 million innocent women and children due to the destabilization of a foreign sovereign country who did not attack us, it is also the over one million women who are forced into prostitution to survive, the two million that had to exodus to be in a location that does not have bombs going off 100+ times a day. There is no justification to the genocide, we need to leave as soon as possible.

There additionally is no justification for driving our children in the armed forces insane. Over 18 suicides a day are a direct result of this foreign policy madness, over 1 million soldiers have an assortment of DU poisoning, PTSD, complications from vaccine experimentation, and long term affects from Nazi mind control experiments being used on our soldiers as if they were lab rats. Quoting Iraq Body Count to help you sleep at night for supporting the genocide of a race of human beings is a sorry crutch. Please take a deeper look into what it means to put soldiers unjustifiably in harm's way (it is an act of treason). And please listen to what former President Eisenhower said to the American people in 1961 to make sure we were aware of the true enemies of the United States. These true National Security risks are allowing people like Sir Henry Kissinger to wipe the United States off the map.

http://www.addictedtowar.com/docs/Th...hird.World.pdf
http://www.whale.to/b/stockwell_secr...orld_wars.html

CIA killed 6 million innocents:

is really only concerned about the economy?

You wasted your time typing everything preceding the above part. When I said "it" I was referring to the war, not the economy. You blamed the economy: ("a country in sh*tty economic times and no jobs wanting to kill themselves").

Yes, there were no terrorists before 9/11. None.

Your evading the issue, the bill specifically references the patsies that the terrorist U.S. government blamed 9/11 for. That being said, all previous acts of "terror" reported by MSM were also false flags, so your "point" is redundantly nullified.

No matter how much Joseph Goebells spoke, he was still spewing bullsh*t that got people killed. You are no different.

[voodoo101]

If OBL was dead during the Bush Administration, why don't any of the people in the administration mention it? It would essentially destroy Obama's entire campaign...

Because that would mean they were lying about him being alive too. They needed a boogeyman as much as Obama did. You can't report bank robbers if you were one of the robbers too.

Former Deputy Secretary of State Dr. Steve Pieczenik, "Bin Laden dead since 2001." Pieczenik was deputy assistant secretary of state under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance and James Baker. He served the presidential administrations of Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.



Pieczenik

[nutsy54]

They needed a boogeyman as much as Obama did.

And yet, inexplicably, in May of 2011... they decided to eliminate that boogeyman as an option for any further use.

As usual, a self-disproving claim from the Conspiracy Crowd. And no matter how many times you cut & repaste the same bull**** (especially from your attention-whoring liar & fraud Pieczenik), it's still just bullsh*t.

Why do you keep posting about Pieczenik, when he's either been protecting the guilty for the past year, or his lack of evidence has proven he's just a liar?

[dakensta]

didn't read entire thrad.
but how the faaaaak could a DNA test prove it was OBL?
I mean? Wat?

[Weightaholic]

I provided sources. It is you who won't accept reality. The "questions" your complaining about not being answered are ill-formed questions that are patently absurd, and full of spin. Bushmaster's SOURCES are the same sources that have lied about WMD's which has caused the mass murder of over 1 million women and children and is the reason that every 10 hours one of our soldiers commits suicide (highest rates in the history of the armed forces). Don't you get why there are UAV's flying around in America? Because YOU'RE THE TERRORIST. You claim to be aware of the reality of the NDAA, yet you defend this bin laden crap? Don't you f*cking get how the NDAA stemmed from 9/11? Don't you get that because it makes you the enemy that it shows you what the actual motive of 9/11 was? (to make YOU the enemy)

Probably can't even clean worth a damn.