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05-06-2012, 06:22 AM #1
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05-06-2012, 06:23 AM #2
A surplus of calories.
A well conbstructed routine.
Regular progressive overload.
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05-06-2012, 06:23 AM #3
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05-06-2012, 06:26 AM #4
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05-06-2012, 06:27 AM #5
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well ive been training for about 10months, im doing about 70kg bench, 100kg deadlifts, 90kg squats, im only 69kg, not going to lie im fair skinny but trying to put on muscle mass, ive put on about 3kgs from my bulking cycle which i started in january and im not even thinking of cutting this year just because i want to see mass gains, would like advice
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05-06-2012, 06:35 AM #6
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05-06-2012, 06:36 AM #7
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05-06-2012, 06:41 AM #8
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05-06-2012, 06:42 AM #9
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05-06-2012, 06:50 AM #10
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05-06-2012, 08:08 AM #11
There is a faster strength increase potential with an upper / lower than there is with SS if you set it up correctly.
Any program, even a once a week split has built in progression.
Once a week splits = 5 pounds on all lifts per week, which add up very quickly.
Basically, if your goal is mass.. you don't need a strength based program for any reason what so ever.
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05-06-2012, 08:09 AM #12
Keep the insults for yourself, it's typical of less intelligent people to use the ad hominem argument, you don't look smart for using the word "sir" in the middle of a sentence. Splits are the most popular bodybuilding program (outside this forum, of course...) for a reason. Care to explain me why a STRENGTH oriented program would be the best for HYPERTROPHY? I do recognise (and apply in my own workout) the importance of strength training, but I said it before and I'll say it again: for bodybuilding purposes, SS is not the best program. And for strength, it is only useful for beginners, "sir".
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05-06-2012, 09:48 AM #13
No, there is no faster increase strength potential with an upper/lower. Even if set up correctly...lol
It's typical of less intelligent people and bla bla bla...
If you think it is not effective for a noob to get on strength program first...well, you are an idiot. That's not an insult, that's a fact.
I'll try to make it simple, dont wanna start a debate on this. There is plenty of threads about this already.
OP is weak and small. He needs a foundation before even thinking about splits and hypertrophy. He has no knowledge on working out. SS is simple and will help him to build a solid foundation.
SS or any strength programs with an aggressive linear progression will do the job. Read the thread carefully, OP is a beginner. A split is just a waste of time.☆ ☆ QUEBEC CREW ☆ ☆
OW log :
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=149575693&p=977696913#post977696913
Competition lift : 212 kg total (95/117) @ 77 kg
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05-06-2012, 10:03 AM #14
If you're talking about vanilla SS, then yes. You're training most movements 2x a week as opposed to 1.5x a week. With a potential of increasing each lift by 10 pounds / week (which of course wouldn't last very long, but you will have higher frequency regardless).
A program aimed directly toward strength isn't really required. You can and will build strength with any routine.. even low frequency ones such as 5 day splits.
Stop assuming you'll be benching 100 pounds forever if you don't do SS.
SS is severely lacking some body parts. This is a bodybuilding forum, where people actually care about biceps , calves, rear / side delts and upper back.
Also, any routine with progression will build a good foundation. And pretty much every good routine out there has progression. Whether it's 5 pounds a week, or 15 pounds a week.. as long as you're progressing at a reasonable rate, you will create a good strength foundation for yourself. Weight is not the only factor in which you grow muscle.
Splits are not a waste of time for beginners. If you set them up correctly they are beneficial in building mass and strength. 5 pounds a week is slower than SS , yes.. but it also has more volume and targets more muscles that SS neglects.
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05-06-2012, 10:34 AM #15
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05-06-2012, 10:44 AM #16
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05-06-2012, 10:54 AM #17
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05-06-2012, 10:56 AM #18
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05-06-2012, 11:23 AM #19
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05-06-2012, 11:56 AM #20
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05-06-2012, 03:31 PM #21
Annoying kids...this debate is an old one.
Read these and make your own minds
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=143765093 (Fullbody vs splits part)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=139911893
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ight=full+body
I could go on for ages. I know, they are talking about full body, not especially SS. It is the same ****ing thing...SS is just a simple as **** program that works well. Any full body routine oriented toward linear progression will be perfect...but it is way easier to simply tell a beginner "Do SS and read the stickies" instead of explaining the whole concept behind full body, recovery, progressive overload and blablabla.
It is funny how splits are advocated by uneducated, weak, skinny and/or *******s...
With that been said...negged both of you for being uneducated smart ass. Instead of convincing yourself that you are right and SS sucks, you should read and learn.
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OW log :
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=149575693&p=977696913#post977696913
Competition lift : 212 kg total (95/117) @ 77 kg
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05-06-2012, 04:03 PM #22
No body said compound exercises aren't better. You are making too many assumptions:
1) You can't progress without full body programs like SS (which really isn't full body at all).
2) Once a week splits only use isolation exercises, and no compound exercises.
Another reason to start with a full body program is that this gives you the opportunity to learn and practice the basic lifts: squats, deadlifts, bench press, overhead press, barbell rows, etc. Whether your goal is bodybuilding, strength athlete, sports, or just remaining fit, these really ought to form the basis of any routine. No matter what path you choose to "branch out" on later, these core lifts will serve you well.
^ read above.
Again, stop thinking weight means everything. It's simply not true. Strength =/= size.
As will any routine. 3-5 day splits, upper/lowers, push/pulls, etc. The keys to building muscle are consistency and diet more so than the actual routine. With any routine you do, you will be adding 0.5 pounds of muscle per week provided your diet and sleep are in check (well almost, most gains from strength programs will be CNS adaption more than anything).
Basically, you're saying you don't give a **** about what OP wants. "Do SS and read the stickies" roughly translates to: "I don't give a **** about you, and I'm too lazy to actually help you, so I'm going to give you a half ass routine and tell you to read the stickies which will tell you the same thing".
Strong generalizations. There are skinny people on both sides of the spectrum. And they are skinny either because they're new, or they don't know how the **** to eat. It most likely has nothing to do with their routine unless it's biceps all day every day.
I probably would of left this comment out. It just makes you sound extremely butt-hurt and biased.
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05-06-2012, 04:41 PM #23
lol wut? SS not a full body routine...you just convinced me that you are an idiot. Congrats.
Strength=/=size?
Strong and small right?
Find me a picture of a guy who can't even bench 225x1 with a big chest or someone with nice wheels who cant even squat 315x1. You dont build muscles without being strong. Beginners have crappy CNS activation...they need descent strength to acquire a serious amount of mass. You go nowhere benching 135x3x10. Of course you can build mass and gain strength without following SS or any strength program...but the quickest way to acquire a good muscular body (drug free) is to work on his strength first, then move on a split.
Oh lawd...no, just no.
No body said compound idgaf about OP. You are making too many assumptions.
lol @ SS is a half ass routine. You want to debate about this with Ripptoe? You are 20 yo...he's being training people for more than your age. Just stop...
Butt hurt? Because of what? Some stranger over a forum is trying to explain to me why SS sucks and how splits are better for beginners?
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OW log :
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=149575693&p=977696913#post977696913
Competition lift : 212 kg total (95/117) @ 77 kg
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05-06-2012, 05:01 PM #24
I would assume a full body routine works every muscle in your body , every session. The first problem with SS being full body is that it doesn't even focus on every body part.
The second problem would be that the workouts are split into an a / b fashion. Not all muscle groups (that SS does hit) will be hit 3x a week.
Just because your strong, doesn't mean you will be big. Half those people you posted aren't big at all. (Well 2. Martin (14 inch arms oh lawd) and the person above him (decent legs though!))
^ Record holder in Olympic weight lifting.
^ Also A record holder
^ Another ****ing record holder.
I could literally post hundreds of photos of guys who are strong as ****, but not big.
What I meant by strength =/= size is that they're not DIRECTLY related. If you are getting stronger and eating right, you will put on size of course. But which routine doesn't make you stronger? Which routine has no progression built into it? Pretty much none.
Implying only SS will get you to a 225x1 bench or a 315x1 squat? I don't understand the point you're trying to make here.
Any routine out there will give you strength. Atleast, 99.9% of them.
What you don't understand is that ANY routine will build good strength on you. As a beginner, you can progress very fast. But strength isn't the ONLY factor that determines how much muscle you have.
I disagree that you need to do routines like SS first. You can do splits from the get go, and add 5-10 pounds / week to each major lift for a looooooong time.
Oh lawd.. yes, just yes.
I don't understand what you just said.
I would love to debate with Ripptoe that SS is the best program for a beginning bodybuilder. I pretty much know exactly what he would say. "I don't ****ing know, I'm a strength coach."
Yes.
SS doesn't necessarily suck. But there's many routines as good, if not better than it. This includes splits.
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05-06-2012, 05:31 PM #25
This post is quote worthy.
Well if your debating on the Splits over SS idc. The point is n00bs who have no clue wtf they're doing cant **** up SS.
If they try a complicated split right off the bat odds are they will do it wrong. Yes I know they aren't complicated but we live in a world where the average level of bodybuild knowledge is potatoe.
Let them do SS while they lurk for a few months and learn. Once they get a grasp of what's going on. That way they won't waste they few months.Last edited by Arcos27; 05-06-2012 at 07:08 PM.
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05-06-2012, 05:34 PM #26
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05-06-2012, 06:20 PM #27
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05-06-2012, 06:36 PM #28
- The only one with the saggy shirt is the middle one.
- Yes, we do.
- You don't need to get stronger as fast as possible though. You need more than just pure weight alone to stimulate muscles. We're talking about strictly mass here, not strength. Lets just assume your logic is correct, and that the ONLY way to add mass is to pack on as much strength as possible. Why would an upper/lower routine be worse for that compared with SS? Upper/lower routines will have you doing most compound exercises 2x a week , as opposed to only 1.5x a week like on SS. So if strength was the only way to add mass, upper/lowers would be far more efficient.
From a bodybuilding perspective, why would you ignore muscles like biceps, upper back, side delts, rear delts, calves, etc.
- Again, you're comparing a hypertrophy routine to a strength routine in terms of strength. How the hell is that even a fair comparison?
- There is never going to be an optimal way for everyone. I'm assuming that you're comparing splits to SS in terms of weight progression again. It's not a very valid / fair comparison.
- 0.5 pounds is the average, for a beginner lifter who is not on drugs. I thought this was fairly common knowledge. Of course it's going to vary between people. But the point I was making was that you can add the maximum amount of mass you want with any routine. And I said strength gains = mostly CNS adaption. Not all. Of course there comes a point in time where all muscle fibers are (somewhat) being used fully, and thus the body will need to create more.
- It's a half ass routine for bodybuilders, because it ignores half of the damn muscles on your body (not literally half).
- The point Across made was that a split is too complicated for a beginner to follow. If a beginner gets confused from a simple thing like a split.. he WILL get confused from SS. They are both simple as ****.
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05-06-2012, 07:05 PM #29
It's still impossible to see the back/shoulder/legs flexed of any weight lifters you posted.
I never said nor think that the only way to add mass is to get stronger as fast as possible. You dont understand me (I'm sorry if my posts are hard to understand). I say : a beginner need to build a solid foundation. The easiest/quickest/safest way to go is a full body strength oriented program (SL5x5, SS, at least Allpro's even if it's not a strength program).
From a bodybuilding perspective, a beginner doesnt need to go crazy on small muscles like biceps, lat and rear delt, calves, etc. They are small and skinny as ****. Major compounds already hit them and a bunch of curls, facepulls, chin ups, dips at the end of the work out will be plenty of work to stimulate these parts. Dedicating half of a day (Chest/bi, back/tri, shoulders/legs) is just a waste of time/energy. 10 minutes at the end is more than enough.
The rate of muscle gains depends on so many factors...simply saying that someone will gain 0.5 lbs/weeks is stupid.
The body doesnt create new fibers. Please, listen to me. You need to read and learn. You lack knowledge is so many domains...do yourself a favor, stop thinking you know it all...just read and learn.
SS is not a routine for bodybuilders. It's a routine for skinny/weak people who just need to put some mass on their frame and gain strength. You can't claim to be a bodybuilder when you are scrawny as fck. It doesnt matter at all if you want to be aesthetic and big or just strong...if you are skinny as **** and weak as fck, you just need to follow a god damn full body and gain some mass/strength.
SS is simple as ****. You do at least 5 exercises on 2 different days, you add 5-10 lbs every work out. When you fail to do that, you drop 10% weight and you reset. In the meantime, you eat more.
Splits, upper/lower, push/pull, phat, etc, etc, etc are way more complicated than SS. You just can't add 5-10lbs every work out because your rep range might not allow it, you might be fatigued from your previous exercise, you might be fatigued by the frequency (4-5x a week). A noob can easily get lost with all the broscience out there. He might be influenced to add drop set, super set, cumulative fatigue work, rest-paused, one and a half rep, etc., and at the end, he will have a complicated routine.
You dont need to think or "feel" with SS, you add weight and eat. It is a lot easier to ****ed up a split than SS. An uneducated beginner that starts a splits is more prone to **** his routine up.☆ ☆ QUEBEC CREW ☆ ☆
OW log :
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=149575693&p=977696913#post977696913
Competition lift : 212 kg total (95/117) @ 77 kg
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05-06-2012, 07:31 PM #30
- That still doesn't take away from the fact that they look skinny as ****. Just Google Olympic records and go on Wikipedia, and search a few random names. Almost all of them won't be too big.
- To build a 'solid foundation' you can do many other routines. Not just SS. That is basically what I'm saying.
- I disagree. They are like any other body part. They need work done to get results. That's not to say you should be blasting them with 40000 sets though.
- It's an average. You can read more about it on lyle mcdonalds site (that's where I remember reading about it I'm fairly sure).
- Basically, what I'm saying is there are many routines that can be used instead of SS. Splits, upper/lowers, push/pulls.. literally.. TONS of routines.
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