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    Originally Posted by drummaboyyyy View Post
    He's been on here for 6 years and posted 225 times. He clearly knows what he is doing.

    not srs
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    Originally Posted by Francis333 View Post
    Do you agree with Ogus, Eric?
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    Originally Posted by Gink View Post
    you are wrong, you can never have enough of protein/micronutrients when lifting
    There is no benefit of going over 1g/lb of bodyweight in protein. Any more does not give you any benefits apart from satiety/sanity depending on how you like to eat.

    Micronutrients. You only need a certain amount of e.g Vitamin C that is optimal for health. Any more isn't going to ****ing help you, and might cause serious problems.


    Let me see. You're craving a poptart. You met almost all your macro needs. You have eaten a wide range of whole, unprocessed foods and all your micronutrient needs have been met. Eating that poptart would by definition be 'healthier' as it fits your Discretionary Calorie Allowance(bet you never heard of it) and can help your mental, and in certain situation even social health.


    Herp a derp you miss the ****ing point of moderation.
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    Originally Posted by npcSHWchamp2016 View Post
    You're a fuckin retard if you think "eating clean" means eating only rice all day every day.

    Go eat a piece of cake after "hitting your macros" and then sit in the corner crying wondering why your arms are so flabby.
    Cake (even after hitting your macros) makes your arms flabby? Hmm so it is true.














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    Originally Posted by BBqChicken1 View Post
    Again, after you have met all your micronutrient, fiber etc. needs. Any more isn't going to offer you any benefit. How is then 'processed junk' like supplements 'bad'?
    How is processed junk good?

    Just stop right now. Take a five minute break. Go eat your slice of cake or whatever you do then walk your little potato looking body back to the computer and think about what are saying.
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    Originally Posted by EricKanevskiy View Post
    He actually only started posting a week ago and all posts have been inflammatory comments directed towards me.
    ya man, i was on youtube and saw this scrawny joke kid who clearly had no phuckign clue giving advice, as if anything he said mattered...

    no one even takes you seriously, they are just nice because they think you are retarded or something
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    Originally Posted by Gink View Post
    you even lift? go back to misc forums phaggot
    I lift and serve my country...phaggot. problem? Keep eating like an 8 year old virgin and remain small as phuck. I'll be enjoying whatever I want to eat and staying lean all year round.
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    Originally Posted by Francis333 View Post
    Cake (even after hitting your macros) makes your arms flabby? Hmm so it is true.














    You sir, have no idea what you are talking about.
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    Originally Posted by BBqChicken1 View Post
    There is no benefit of going over 1g/lb of bodyweight in protein. Any more does not give you any benefits apart from satiety/sanity depending on how you like to eat.

    Micronutrients. You only need a certain amount of e.g Vitamin C that is optimal for health. Any more isn't going to ****ing help you, and might cause serious problems.


    Let me see. You're craving a poptart. You met almost all your macro needs. You have eaten a wide range of whole, unprocessed foods and all your micronutrient needs have been met. Eating that poptart would by definition be 'healthier' as it fits your Discretionary Calorie Allowance(bet you never heard of it) and can help your mental, and in certain situation even social health.


    Herp a derp you miss the ****ing point of moderation.
    if im craving a poptart ill eat a ****ing salmon phaggot ok?

    lol @ 1g/lb comment
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    Originally Posted by npcSHWchamp2016 View Post
    How is processed junk good?

    Just stop right now. Take a five minute break. Go eat your slice of cake or whatever you do then walk your little potato looking body back to the computer and think about what are saying.
    Please explain the exact ingredient in cake, that eaten in small or moderate amounts, is apparently 'bad'.
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    Ok so if i get all my fiber from supplements, all my micros from a multivitamin, all my macros from processed foods.

    thats will give me the same results as just getting all of the above from just nutrient dense foods?
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    Originally Posted by drummaboyyyy View Post
    I lift and serve my country...phaggot. problem? Keep eating like an 8 year old virgin and remain small as phuck. I'll be enjoying whatever I want to eat and staying lean all year round.
    > implying that being an 8 year old virgin is a bad thing

    lmao.... unbelievable...
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    Originally Posted by xpin2winx View Post
    Ok so if i get all my fiber from supplements, all my micros from a multivitamin, all my macros from processed foods.

    thats will give me the same results as just getting all of the above from just nutrient dense foods?
    Go back and read my last comment directed to you.

    EDIT: Plus, I clearly say in every IIFYM video I make that 80% of your diet should come from whole, micronutrient dense foods. Are people really this ignorant?
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    Originally Posted by xpin2winx View Post
    Ok so if i get all my fiber from supplements, all my micros from a multivitamin, all my macros from processed foods.

    thats will give me the same results as just getting all of the above from just nutrient dense foods?
    That would not be IIFYM. Technically, in the short term, there is no reason as to why you wouldn't, however, in the long term, that wouldn't be the 'healthiest' of options.
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    Originally Posted by Gink View Post
    even on a clean diet you still have to pay attention to things like protein intake and fat and count macros

    fact is, on a clean diet you will always get more nutrients than if you are eating processed junk which tends to be pure carbs

    strong comparison skills bro, maybe in a few years you won't be so dumb
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    Originally Posted by BBqChicken1 View Post
    Please explain the exact ingredient in cake, that eaten in small or moderate amounts, is apparently 'bad'.
    uhh, refined sugar?

    strong elementary school education / age ratio
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    Originally Posted by npcSHWchamp2016 View Post
    > implying that being an 8 year old virgin is a bad thing

    lmao.... unbelievable...
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    Please explain the exact ingredient in cake, that eaten in small or moderate amounts, is apparently 'bad'.

    Please respond.
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    Originally Posted by EricKanevskiy View Post
    Speaking of Matt Ogus, here's a video of his diet approach:

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    Originally Posted by BBqChicken1 View Post
    That would not be IIFYM. Technically, in the short term, there is no reason as to why you wouldn't, however, in the long term, that wouldn't be the 'healthiest' of options.
    laugh, and that is what you guys are arguing for when you talk about IIFYM.. Lets hit our macros (which may not be correct to begin with) then fill the rest in with sour patch kids and junk food because we think we hit the macros we needed

    you're a bunch of clowns.

    everything in this thread arguing for this IIFYM bull**** is small or weak as phuck
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    Originally Posted by Gink View Post
    uhh, refined sugar?

    strong elementary school education / age ratio

    .. and how is that specific ingredient eaten in small/moderate amounts 'bad' for your body composition?


    FYI: I can make cake without adding any sugar. If it's still called 'cake', is it going to be bad?
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    Originally Posted by Gink View Post
    everything in this thread arguing for this IIFYM bull**** is small or weak as phuck

    You seem to have missed the pictures from a couple of pages back. All eat processed foods. I guess they're 'genetic freaks'.
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    Originally Posted by EricKanevskiy View Post
    Go back and read my last comment directed to you.

    EDIT: Plus, I clearly say in every IIFYM video I make that 80% of your diet should come from whole, micronutrient dense foods. Are people really this ignorant?
    hahah, but that does Fit my macros, if no food is healthy then how is that possible. maybe cuz ur fukin retard. Herp derp lets fit my macros with 30 grams of trans fat because thats healthy!
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    Originally Posted by BBqChicken1 View Post
    .. and how is that specific ingredient eaten in small/moderate amounts 'bad' for your body composition?


    FYI: I can make cake without adding any sugar. If it's still called 'cake', is it going to be bad?
    the amount of sugar in processed foods is not moderate though. 1 piece of cake is easily 200-300 calories from refined sugar

    and lets not pretend you can eat these processed foods "in moderation". you saw OPs meal, 400 calories from sour patch kids, in 1 sitting

    enjoy that body fat and not muscle you are building

    Originally Posted by BBqChicken1 View Post
    You seem to have missed the pictures from a couple of pages back. All eat processed foods. I guess they're 'genetic freaks'.
    you people post pics of these random lifters and claim they are on the same diet as you, as if that helps your argument
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    Originally Posted by Gink View Post
    the amount of sugar in processed foods is not moderate though. 1 piece of cake is easily 200-300 calories from refined sugar
    I don't know what ****ing cake you eat, but one slice does not have that much. There would also be fat added there, so if on sliec would give you 400-700 calories then you're eating one big ass cake not a slice.

    Originally Posted by Gink View Post
    and lets not pretend you can eat these processed foods "in moderation". you saw OPs meal, 400 calories from sour patch kids, in 1 sitting
    We're talking about moderation here. You can eat them in moderation.

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    enjoy that body fat and not muscle you are building
    Please tell us how is that 'sugar' going to cause you to gain body fat. Really, explain.
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    Originally Posted by BBqChicken1 View Post
    I don't know what ****ing cake you eat, but one slice does not have that much. There would also be fat added there, so if on sliec would give you 400-700 calories then you're eating one big ass cake not a slice.



    We're talking about moderation here. You can eat them in moderation.



    Please tell us how is that 'sugar' going to cause you to gain body fat. Really, explain.
    IIFYM clearly states that i can eat whatever the fuk i want as long as i fit my macros. Then you ****ers say o you have to fit your micros as well. Then o you have to eat %80 of your diet from nutrient dense foods.

    What if i get all my macros from processed foods, all micros from supplements and all fiber from supplements. According to the true definition of IIFYM thats no different than eating 100% clean foods. IIFYM is flawed beyond belief
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    Originally Posted by BBqChicken1 View Post
    I don't know what ****ing cake you eat, but one slice does not have that much. There would also be fat added there, so if on sliec would give you 400-700 calories then you're eating one big ass cake not a slice.



    We're talking about moderation here. You can eat them in moderation.



    Please tell us how is that 'sugar' going to cause you to gain body fat. Really, explain.
    no you can't, once you start eating that **** it just adds up. people are addicted to sugar, especially refined sugar. it's better to be cold turkey than try to moderate it.

    in any case i'd rather be eating protein than **** like sour patch kids/cake


    lol @ saying refined sugar doesn't cause you to gain body fat. go read up on refined sugar/insulin guy
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    Originally Posted by xpin2winx View Post
    IIFYM clearly states that i can eat whatever the fuk i want as long as i fit my macros. Then you ****ers say o you have to fit your micros as well. Then o you have to eat %80 of your diet from nutrient dense foods.

    What if i get all my macros from processed foods, all micros from supplements and all fiber from supplements. According to the true definition of IIFYM thats no different than eating 100% clean foods. IIFYM is flawed beyond belief

    IIFYM is Discretionary Calorie Allowane renamed. I've posted what it means, but you're just ignoring it, and making flawed scenarios that do not even apply to real life.

    'Clean dieting' is also flawed. What If I eat nothing but rice, chicken and olive oil? That leaves me deficient in mictronutrients and would drive anyone insane.
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    Originally Posted by xpin2winx View Post
    hahah, but that does Fit my macros, if no food is healthy then how is that possible. maybe cuz ur fukin retard. Herp derp lets fit my macros with 30 grams of trans fat because thats healthy!
    You. Completely. Ignored. Everything. I said.

    30 grams of trans fat is not moderation. I guess this misconception with "IIFYM" will always exist because most people lack the intelligence to understand such a simple concept. I'd have to agree that "flexible dieting" would be a better name, so morons wouldn't think it's about eating 30 grams of trans fat a day.
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    Originally Posted by npcSHWchamp2016 View Post
    How is processed junk good?

    Just stop right now. Take a five minute break. Go eat your slice of cake or whatever you do then walk your little potato looking body back to the computer and think about what are saying.
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    Originally Posted by Gink View Post
    lol @ saying refined sugar doesn't cause you to gain body fat. go read up on refined sugar/insulin guy

    Please share with us.

    did you know that protein and food itself is highly insulinogenic? A high protein low carb meal spikes more insulin than high carb low protein meal.

    Let's all avoid protein. Yeah, that makes sense.
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