George Zimmerman said Trayvon Martin circled vehicle, paper reports

[DubstepDealer]

By Richard Fausset

May 4, 2012, 7:39 a.m.

Was Trayvon Martin circling George Zimmerman's vehicle before the neighborhood watch volunteer and the unarmed teenager engaged in their now-infamous -- and tragic -- scuffle?

That is the assertion that Zimmerman has made numerous times to investigators, according to a new report in the Orlando Sentinel, citing a source familiar with the criminal investigation into Martin's slaying by Zimmerman in February at a gated community in Sanford, Fla.

According to the Sentinel, the source said Zimmerman told police he was so worried by Martin's behavior that he rolled up his windows to avoid trouble. The paper notes that Zimmerman did not give these details to the non-emergency police dispatcher he had called in order to report Martin as a suspicious character.

The paper's report, posted on its website Thursday, is one of numerous leaks from law enforcement sources that seem to offer outside observers a few puzzle pieces to work with as they follow the second-degree murder case, though it's still difficult to understand how the pieces fit together -- if at all.

The Sentinel's source also points out what may be an inconsistency in Zimmerman's statements: Zimmerman reportedly told police that Martin put his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during the fight. But investigators apparently don't believe him, because on one 911 call, someone is screaming for help.

Zimmerman has said the screaming voice is his. But the cries are not muffled.

"It's either one or the other, it can't be both," Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Martin's family, told the paper.

Yet how much weight this detail may carry in court remains to be seen. After all, it could be possible that Martin covered Zimmerman's mouth for part of the fight, leaving him free to issue unmuffled screams during another part.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said he hadn't yet seen Zimmerman's statements to police.

Martin's parents, meanwhile, visited Birmingham, Ala., on Thursday, where they participated in a civil rights rally along with Crump. The attorney again alluded to the suspicion that racial bias infected the handling of the case from the beginning. Martin was black. Zimmerman is half white and half Latino. Sanford police initially declined to arrest Zimmerman, who claims he shot Martin in self-defense.

"Had Trayvon pulled that trigger, he could have said stand your ground, self-defense, he could have said whatever, he would have been arrested that night," Crump said, according to Alabama station WVTM-TV. "It wouldn't have taken 44 days to arrest him."

Zimmerman was eventually arrested after charges were filed against him by a special prosecutor assigned to the case by Florida Gov. Rick Scott. Zimmerman turned himself in to police and has pleaded not guilty. He was released from jail on April 23 on a $150,000 bond.


richard.fausset@latimes.com

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...,6456654.story

[Tamorlane]

[flairon]

Going to walk.

But so far he has had to sit in jail and pay 15,000 to get out for defending himself.

[Tamorlane]

Going to walk.

But so far he has had to sit in jail and pay 15,000 to get out for defending himself.

well it's a good thing white partisan hacks gave him 200 grand

[DubstepDealer]

Going to walk.

But so far he has had to sit in jail and pay 15,000 to get out for defending himself.

Well, he's gonna need a lot more than that. His lawyer costs $400 an hour.

gzlegalcase.com

I suggest you start donating.

[flairon]

well it's a good thing white partisan hacks gave him 200 grand

blah blah blah, if this were turned around and trayvon martin had an online account that grew from donations it would be 'the black community helping out the underprivledged.

He was exercising a right to defend himself and he's being penalized for it. When he's found not guilty, he should be given back his 15k from the martin estate to make him whole again. And be given a public apology by the parents.

[brighamw]

Going to walk.

But so far he has had to sit in jail and pay 15,000 to get out for defending himself.

They'll make some kind of plea deal for probation/time served, IMO

They have to punish him somehow to try & prevent certain elements of society from going ape shit...

[DubstepDealer]

When he's found not guilty,

haha

[Tamorlane]

if this were turned around and trayvon martin had an online account that grew from donations it would be 'the black community helping out the underprivledged.

Yes it would. Ironically you see this as wrong, but because it's a white guy, like you, you feel like you are partially victimized as well (as though it could have been you instead of Zimmerman).

He was exercising a right to defend himself and he's being penalized for it. When he's found not guilty, he should be given back his 15k from the martin estate to make him whole again. And be given a public apology by the parents.

This is the Zimmerman argument on the surface. Good thing for adversaries in the judiciary. This is not necessarily what happened. What MAY have happened is that Zimmerman used poor judgement in approaching the individual, got his ass kicked, and because his head may have hit the ground, used that as justification to shoot the kid who was kicking his ass. I highly doubt Martin was intentionally slamming his head into the pavement in intent to seriously injure or kill.

The fact that you don't address this proves to me how limited your scope is on topics such as these. It's more revealing than you realize.

[flairon]

haha

You might as well face facts, you were/are/will be wrong on this. And don't think i forgot about your proclamation to leave this forum forever if he walks. Start packing.

[DubstepDealer]

Start packing.

hahahah!

[flairon]

Yes it would. Ironically you see this as wrong, but because it's a white guy, like you, you feel like you are partially victimized as well (as though it could have been you instead of Zimmerman).

you're too ignorant to attempt to psychoanalyze anyone, so stop.



This is the Zimmerman argument on the surface. Good thing for adversaries in the judiciary. This is not necessarily what happened. What MAY have happened is that Zimmerman used poor judgement in approaching the individual, got his ass kicked, and because his head may have hit the ground, used that as justification to shoot the kid who was kicking his ass. I highly doubt Martin was intentionally slamming his head into the pavement in intent to seriously injure or kill.

The fact that you don't address this proves to me how limited your scope is on topics such as these. It's more revealing than you realize.[/QUOTE]

Why sure, because you can slam someone's head on the pavement in a friendly caring way right?

the fact that you think i care what you think is proven to you just reveals to me you're about half a step from a mouth breathing retard who has a unsubstantiated high opinion of himself.

welp, back to straightening up this house.

[DubstepDealer]

A new interim police chief who will now be in charge of the Sanford Police Department will start his first day Friday morning

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/st...d-2339815.html

[Tamorlane]

Why sure, because you can slam someone's head on the pavement in a friendly caring way right?

If I get into a fist fight and we go to the ground (90%+ of fights go to the ground, i've read studies on this including one on the LAPD), and my head even slightly touches the concrete, then I could take out my firearm, shoot the guy dead (it was a fist fight remember) and then proceed to tell police that he tried slamming my head onto the ground. He has motive to say this so his freedom is re-established. This is what you fail to comprehend. If this happened, then that is not justice. The other guy in the fist fight doesn't deserve to have a gun pulled on him - regardless of skin color.

[TaeBoNinja]

I posted about this after the bond hearing. Apparently, Zimmerman had numerous inconsistencies in his statements.

Should be interesting to see how his attorney explains the "circling" statements. Or how Zimmerman could be screaming while his mouth is covered.

[Tekkendo]

you're too ignorant to attempt to psychoanalyze anyone, so stop.
.
Why sure, because you can slam someone's head on the pavement in a friendly caring way right?

the fact that you think i care what you think is proven to you just reveals to me you're about half a step from a mouth breathing retard who has a unsubstantiated high opinion of himself.

welp, back to straightening up this house.

[jmoney05txst]

They'll make some kind of plea deal for probation/time served, IMO

They have to punish him somehow to try & prevent certain elements of society from going ape shit...

why does he have to be punished if they cannot prove the elements of the crime?

Yes it would. Ironically you see this as wrong, but because it's a white guy, like you, you feel like you are partially victimized as well (as though it could have been you instead of Zimmerman).



This is the Zimmerman argument on the surface. Good thing for adversaries in the judiciary. This is not necessarily what happened. What MAY have happened is that Zimmerman used poor judgement in approaching the individual, got his ass kicked, and because his head may have hit the ground, used that as justification to shoot the kid who was kicking his ass. I highly doubt Martin was intentionally slamming his head into the pavement in intent to seriously injure or kill.

The fact that you don't address this proves to me how limited your scope is on topics such as these. It's more revealing than you realize.

lots and lots of speculation in there

[auburnrunner]

You might as well face facts, you were/are/will be wrong on this. And don't think i forgot about your proclamation to leave this forum forever if he walks. Start packing.

Dubstep: plsgo

[Tekkendo]

.... (90%+ of fights go to the ground, i've read studies on this including one on the LAPD....

That study only pertains to POLICE ENCOUNTER where the police's objective is to force the suspect to the ground and restrain him. yeah of course it almost always ends in the ground if the suspect resists. That is not representative of street fighting. Misleading. In real fight, 90 % of LOSERS end up on the ground. HAHA

[jmoney05txst]

That study only pertains to POLICE ENCOUNTER where the police's objective is to force the suspect to the ground and restrain him. yeah of course it almost always ends in the ground if the suspect resists. That is not representative of street fighting. Misleading. In real fight, 90 % of LOSERS end up on the ground. HAHA

good point

[notorius1]

why does he have to be punished if they cannot prove the elements of the crime?

because a kid is dead for no reason, especially since he did not start the confrontation.

[DubstepDealer]

Dubstep: plsgo

Don't neg me bro.

[flairon]

because a kid is dead for no reason, especially since he did not start the confrontation.

and you know that how?

oh thats right, you don't.

thanks for stopping by.

[bigkarl]

Zimmerman is full of ****.

[DubstepDealer]

Zimmerman is full of ****.

Good luck trying to explain that here.

[flairon]

hmm..who should we believe..

the legal gun owner, educated, responsible citizen, with the bleeding head who says he had to defend himself

or the thug in training with a past history of violence and suspected drug use...

this is a tough one....

[DubstepDealer]

hmm..who should we believe..

the legal gun owner, educated, responsible citizen, with the bleeding head who says he had to defend himself

suspect

or the thug in training with a past history of violence and suspected drug use...

this is a tough one....

dead 17 yo.

[flairon]

suspect



dead 17 yo.

he's not a 'suspect'...he's admitted to it. And chronological ages doesn't determine someone's ability to do damage.

Started packing yet?

[Tamorlane]

hmm..who should we believe..

the legal gun owner, educated, responsible citizen, with the bleeding head who says he had to defend himself

or the thug in training with a past history of violence and suspected drug use...

this is a tough one....

You have the mind/soul of a child.

A person's record is not synonymous with what they are being charged with. If you understood the law, you would know that previous criminal records and incidents can not be used against the accused during their trial. Why? Because what you did in the past does not mean you did this now. It could have some indication if the person has a strong history of recidivism, otherwise it's baseless and the court recognizes this for a legitimate reason. Just because you did something stupid in the past doesn't mean you did something stupid now and should pay/be accused for it.

Also, you are not providing the other side to both's histories, so I will add more:

-Zimmerman used poor judgement up until the confrontation
-Zimmerman was known by neighbors to be "over-zealous"
-Zimmerman attacked a police officer (doesn't mean he's guilty now)
-Zimmerman tried to become a cop and failed (more credence to Zimmerman's zealotry)

-Martin has a past history of violence? Zimmerman is the one who was arrested (maybe charged and convicted, not sure) for attacking a police officer
-Even if he was a drug addict and smoked every day it doesn't mean that he is necessarily in the wrong because of it.

Honestly you display that you have very elementary knowledge of how the law works. I'd be careful because someone with your level of knowledge could get into the same trouble Zimmerman got his self into.

[ndiguy]

If I get into a fist fight and we go to the ground (90%+ of fights go to the ground, i've read studies on this including one on the LAPD), and my head even slightly touches the concrete, then I could take out my firearm, shoot the guy dead (it was a fist fight remember) and then proceed to tell police that he tried slamming my head onto the ground. He has motive to say this so his freedom is re-established. This is what you fail to comprehend. If this happened, then that is not justice. The other guy in the fist fight doesn't deserve to have a gun pulled on him - regardless of skin color.

A whole lot of speculation from someone who WASN'T THERE.

In fact, supporters of EITHER side, should let things take course and withhold judgement.