how much natural testosterone to gain mass and strength

[dbrodrive912]

The only reason i ask is because I have low t and I get weekly shots for it but my level as of now is 164 so I'm wondering if that is even enough to produce anything or would working out be a waste at least until the test. starts to raise it

[Pump Freak 86]

Ya know, this is actually a pretty good question. As much as we kvetch about our T levels, it would be good to know how much it takes for a given level of mass (roughly of course). If you can build and maintain 185lbs @ 6% at 200mg of T (I'm pulling that number out of the left side of my ass), I think a lot of us might be more inclined to be happy with what we have.

[chazzy1864]

you need about 350.

[mandimeoutof10]

you need about 350.

hahaha

But OP, you're taking shots and only at 164...?

[DJAuto]

The only reason i ask is because I have low t and I get weekly shots for it but my level as of now is 164 so I'm wondering if that is even enough to produce anything or would working out be a waste at least until the test. starts to raise it

This is a question you should ask your physician. However, generally, you can still build muscle at even low hormone levels. It just won't be as "optimal"...if that makes sense.

[blkbelt42]

The only reason i ask is because I have low t and I get weekly shots for it but my level as of now is 164 so I'm wondering if that is even enough to produce anything or would working out be a waste at least until the test. starts to raise it

its enough. mines right around there, I do nothing for it.

[Curlers]

you need about 350.

350.. haha. tell us something we dont know!

[mandimeoutof10]

its enough. mines right around there, I do nothing for it.

Your test is ~160 and you don't do anything about it? If you don't mind me asking how old are you and why do you chose not to fix it?

[GiZZmo]

This is a question you should ask your physician. However, generally, you can still build muscle at even low hormone levels. It just won't be as "optimal"...if that makes sense.

The only problem is there are A LOT of physicians that don't have a clue what they are doing when it comes to this. My test levels were 140 and the doc I was going to wanted to put me on 100 mg of prop every 2 weeks. Ummmmm I had done research beforehand and asked him had he lost his f'n mind.

[mandimeoutof10]

The only problem is there are A LOT of physicians that don't have a clue what they are doing when it comes to this. My test levels were 140 and the doc I was going to wanted to put me on 100 mg of prop every 2 weeks. Ummmmm I had done research beforehand and asked him had he lost his f'n mind.

What would this have done to your levels?

[GiZZmo]

What would this have done to your levels?

I'll just say that was definitely not the way to go. Talk to an Endocrinologist instead. They will be more suited to answer your question.

[mandimeoutof10]

I'll just say that was definitely not the way to go. Talk to an Endocrinologist instead. They will be more suited to answer your question.

I'm going to a urologist next week after I get my second lab back. Any advice if I come in around <250 again? PMs always welcome. Also, to be clear, I am talking about what to request from my medical doctor and not anything illegal.

[blkbelt42]

Your test is ~160 and you don't do anything about it? If you don't mind me asking how old are you and why do you chose not to fix it?

40's and just don't choose to be "on" something forever. Journal is in sig, stop by

[geexxz]

Does lifting heavy not increase your testosterone levels by nature? That was the understanding I had anyway.

[blkbelt42]

Does lifting heavy not increase your testosterone levels by nature? That was the understanding I had anyway.

It's supposed to, mine hasn't moved though.

[chazzy1864]

Does lifting heavy not increase your testosterone levels by nature? That was the understanding I had anyway.

Yes, it does. Then the test levels return to base line.

The nonsense about lifting increasing test is very, very overstated. Your test levels fluctuate throughout the day.

[TheFuzz1290]

Yes, it does. Then the test levels return to base line.

The nonsense about lifting increasing test is very, very overstated. Your test levels fluctuate throughout the day.

I believe it only increases for a few hours after lifting.

I'm at the low end of normal (>300 is low, I'm at 350) and needing to go see another doctor, since mine isn't too concerned about the other side effects I've been having from the lower T. I've been doing a lot of research on it and I'm surprised you're still that low with 2 shots a week! I think it might be time to switch the types of injections or increase the dosage! Good luck man, and don't quit, every little bit helps!