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    EC + Green Tea

    Would a EC stack and green tea supplement pills work better for weight loss or should I just stick with the EC?
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    up to you. the ephedrine is going to be the biggest factor the green tea, while good for you, wont have much of a fat burning effect. I would take ephedrine HCL by itself but thats just me.
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    if you mean getting the caffeine from the green tea instead of caffeine pills than thats probably fine. aslong as you were still getting the required dose of caffeine.
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    Green Tea is ineffective in burning fat.

    Great as an overall health supplement, though.
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    Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    Green Tea is ineffective in burning fat.

    Great as an overall health supplement, though.
    Its scientifically proven to support fat loss.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19074207
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    This is my fifth day into the EC stack, and the day I began EC I also started taking NOW EGCg Green Tea Extract in the 400mg pills. Since I started them both at the same time and have no experience with either separately, I couldn't tell you if it's doing anything extra, but I do seem to be making very nice, visible progress as far as fat loss. No apparent cons, either.
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    Originally Posted by T3hGiggles View Post
    This is my fifth day into the EC stack, and the day I began EC I also started taking NOW EGCg Green Tea Extract in the 400mg pills. Since I started them both at the same time and have no experience with either separately, I couldn't tell you if it's doing anything extra, but I do seem to be making very nice, visible progress as far as fat loss. No apparent cons, either.
    Make sure you get the standardized product that NOW offers. They have 2 and you definitely want the better of the 2.

    Few days is too soon, takes several weeks and strict dieting is mandatory.
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    Alright I was thinking on the caffeine and the green tea. But I got my answer.

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    Originally Posted by WyattMay View Post
    Would a EC stack and green tea supplement pills work better for weight loss or should I just stick with the EC?
    It has a number of health benefits. It's been a staple of mine for years.
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    Originally Posted by WyattMay View Post
    Alright I was thinking on the caffeine and the green tea. But I got my answer.

    Thanks
    I wouldnt be using heavy stims at 17 (just noticed your age, lol), you can make amazing progress with dietary changes.

    NOW brand green tea and some caffeine pre-workouts (black coffee) should do you plenty.
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    Originally Posted by KimJong-il View Post
    Make sure you get the standardized product that NOW offers. They have 2 and you definitely want the better of the 2.

    Few days is too soon, takes several weeks and strict dieting is mandatory.
    뭐? What do you mean? It's NOW EGCg Green Tea Extract Antioxidant Support, 400mg (200 mg EGCg / 80% Catechins. Is this not what I want lol?
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    Originally Posted by T3hGiggles View Post
    뭐? What do you mean? It's NOW EGCg Green Tea Extract Antioxidant Support, 400mg (200 mg EGCg / 80% Catechins. Is this not what I want lol?
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    Yep! That's what I got. ^^
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    Originally Posted by T3hGiggles View Post
    Yep! That's what I got. ^^
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    Originally Posted by kimjong-il View Post
    excellent, and for your loyal subordination i may grant you a tourist visa to visit my beautiful land some day.
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    Originally Posted by T3hGiggles View Post
    감사합니다! 갈 거예요! =d
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    Originally Posted by KimJong-il View Post
    Its scientifically proven to support fat loss.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19074207
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    This study evaluated the influence of a green tea catechin beverage on body composition and fat distribution in overweight and obese adults during exercise-induced weight loss. Participants (n = 132 with 107 completers) were randomly assigned to receive a beverage containing approximately 625 mg of catechins with 39 mg caffeine or a control beverage (39 mg caffeine, no catechins) for 12 wk. Participants were asked to maintain constant energy intake and engage in >or=180 min/wk moderate intensity exercise, including >or=3 supervised sessions per week. Body composition (dual X-ray absorptiometry), abdominal fat areas (computed tomography), and clinical laboratory tests were measured at baseline and wk 12. There was a trend (P = 0.079) toward greater loss of body weight in the catechin group compared with the control group; least squares mean (95% CI) changes, adjusted for baseline value, age, and sex, were -2.2 (-3.1, -1.3) and -1.0 (-1.9, -0.1) kg, respectively. Percentage changes in fat mass did not differ between the catechin [5.2 (-7.0, -3.4)] and control groups [-3.5 (-5.4, 1.6)] (P = 0.208). However, percentage changes in total abdominal fat area [-7.7 (-11.7, -3.8) vs. -0.3 (-4.4, 3.9); P = 0.013], subcutaneous abdominal fat area [-6.2 (-10.2, -2.2) vs. 0.8 (-3.3, 4.9); P = 0.019], and fasting serum triglycerides (TG) [-11.2 (-18.8, -3.6) vs. 1.9 (-5.9, 9.7); P = 0.023] were greater in the catechin group. These findings suggest that green tea catechin consumption enhances exercise-induced changes in abdominal fat and serum TG.
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    "However, percentage changes in total abdominal fat area [-7.7 (-11.7, -3.8) vs. -0.3 (-4.4, 3.9); P = 0.013], subcutaneous abdominal fat area [-6.2 (-10.2, -2.2) vs. 0.8 (-3.3, 4.9); P = 0.019], and fasting serum triglycerides (TG) [-11.2 (-18.8, -3.6) vs. 1.9 (-5.9, 9.7); P = 0.023] were greater in the catechin group. These findings suggest that green tea catechin consumption enhances exercise-induced changes in abdominal fat and serum TG."
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    The changes don't seem to be significant.. Nor do I believe Green Tea magically spot-reduces fat.
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    Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    The changes don't seem to be significant.. Nor do I believe Green Tea magically spot-reduces fat.
    I agree on that 100%. I said it helps support fat loss, diet and training should always be a mandatory priority.

    I had another more significant study, Ill try to find and post it if I do.
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    I agree on that 100%. I said it helps support fat loss, diet and training should always be a mandatory priority.

    I had another more significant study, Ill try to find and post it if I do.
    http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v2.../0801101a.html

    Intro^^

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    The thermogenic effect of tea is generally attributed to its caffeine content. We report here that a green tea extract stimulates brown adipose tissue thermogenesis to an extent which is much greater than can be attributed to its caffeine content per se, and that its thermogenic properties could reside primarily in an interaction between its high content in catechin-polyphenols and caffeine with sympathetically released noradrenaline (NA). Since catechin-polyphenols are known to be capable of inhibiting catechol-O-methyl-transferase (the enzyme that degrades NA), and caffeine to inhibit trancellular phosphodiesterases (enzymes that break down NA-induced cAMP), it is proposed that the green tea extract, via its catechin-polyphenols and caffeine, is effective in stimulating thermogenesis by relieving inhibition at different control points along the NA-cAMP axis. Such a synergistic interaction between catechin-polyphenols and caffeine to augment and prolong sympathetic stimulation of thermogenesis could be of value in assisting the management of obesity.
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    Originally Posted by KimJong-il View Post
    http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v2.../0801101a.html

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    The thermogenic effect of tea is generally attributed to its caffeine content. We report here that a green tea extract stimulates brown adipose tissue thermogenesis to an extent which is much greater than can be attributed to its caffeine content per se, and that its thermogenic properties could reside primarily in an interaction between its high content in catechin-polyphenols and caffeine with sympathetically released noradrenaline (NA). Since catechin-polyphenols are known to be capable of inhibiting catechol-O-methyl-transferase (the enzyme that degrades NA), and caffeine to inhibit trancellular phosphodiesterases (enzymes that break down NA-induced cAMP), it is proposed that the green tea extract, via its catechin-polyphenols and caffeine, is effective in stimulating thermogenesis by relieving inhibition at different control points along the NA-cAMP axis. Such a synergistic interaction between catechin-polyphenols and caffeine to augment and prolong sympathetic stimulation of thermogenesis could be of value in assisting the management of obesity.
    Although a good read, and has potential..

    It's done on rats, and in vitro on rat brown adipose tissue.
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    Originally Posted by aaronuconn View Post
    Although a good read, and has potential..

    It's done on rats, and in vitro on rat brown adipose tissue.
    Its nothing ultra special, not trying to win that argument

    They do site study "21" which was done on humans, that are consistent with the vitro studies. I dont have that on hand though.

    21 Dulloo AG, Duret C, Rohrer D, Girardier L, Mensi N, Fathi M, Chantre P, Vandermander J. Efficacy of a green tea extract rich in catechin-polyphenols and caffeine in stimulating 24 h energy expenditure and fat oxidation in humans. Am J Clin Nutr (in press).
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    Originally Posted by KimJong-il View Post
    Its nothing ultra special, not trying to win that argument

    They do site study "21" which was done on humans, that are consistent with the vitro studies. I dont have that on hand though.

    21 Dulloo AG, Duret C, Rohrer D, Girardier L, Mensi N, Fathi M, Chantre P, Vandermander J. Efficacy of a green tea extract rich in catechin-polyphenols and caffeine in stimulating 24 h energy expenditure and fat oxidation in humans. Am J Clin Nutr (in press).
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