RANT: Aqua-beowulf puts you in an Olive Garden

[ShaneSwan]

1981'nd

[youtub]_w4Xulsjo5I[/youtube]

[kvk1]

This girl I was crazy for in middle school is pregnant with triplets from a deadbeat dickwad.

I feel bad...but I sort of don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[chazzy1864]

This girl I was crazy for in middle school is pregnant with triplets from a deadbeat dickwad.

I feel bad...but I sort of don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Tell her that is what she gets for not wanting to go for a ride on your ol' bone roller coaster.

[kvk1]

Tell her that is what she gets for not wanting to go for a ride on your ol' bone roller coaster.

I was really shy in middle school. I remember writing a cheesy note and shoving it in her locker asking her if she wants to go out sometime.

She wrote back no, in a very polite/nice way. Let me down gently. Fair enough.

But then she took my best friend to the school dance a week later. I was like....fucking hell. That's cold.

[chazzy1864]

I was really shy in middle school. I remember writing a cheesy note and shoving it in her locker asking her if she wants to go out sometime.

She wrote back no, in a very polite/nice way. Let me down gently. Fair enough.

But then she took my best friend to the school dance a week later. I was like....fucking hell. That's cold.

I'm guessing not the same deadbeat that gave her triplets?

[kvk1]

I'm guessing not the same deadbeat that gave her triplets?

Haha, no. He was a good guy. Didn't know I was interested in the girl at the time.

[therorschach]

man i got some wicked gas

[renferos]

Ch4 + 202 -> c02 + 2 h20

Ass water.

[Defiant1]

I was really shy in middle school. I remember writing a cheesy note and shoving it in her locker asking her if she wants to go out sometime.

She wrote back no, in a very polite/nice way. Let me down gently. Fair enough.

But then she took my best friend to the school dance a week later. I was like....fucking hell. That's cold.

[renferos]

Thank you please come again.

[ShaneSwan]

[GeneralSerpant]

Depends on where you were, I think. Coming from the midwest plains -- eastern CO, I always heard it as "rap". But this isn't where it was happening anyway. It was a NY/LA thing. When I first moved to LA in '88, it took me a while to figure out what everybody was talking about with "hip hop". They were referring to the larger genre of which rap is a small part. I thought it was all "rap". Since 99.9% of people in CO were calling it all "rap", were they correct?

Instead, when it comes from people in the places where it's really happening -- and -- notable music critics/authors of major publications like Billboard, Village Voice, LA Weekly -- the people who actually have their pulse on the scene -- is that more correct? More correct than "parlance" from white-washed Suburbia, even if that population is larger?

Is it more correct when 99.9% of a non-lifting public doesn't know a preacher from a standing curl, so everything's a curl? Or, would bodybuilders who know the difference be more correct even if BBers are smaller population?

Plus, you have to consider that hip-hop is the main genre with multiple sub-genres such as hip-hop/rap, hip-hop/reggae, hip-hop/R&B, etc...

Beastie Boys were kind of outsiders since hip-hop was a cultural thing (as well as a east-coast thing), and they were originally a punk-rock band. While they never might have been fully realized as hip-hop/rap/rock, they probably had elements that a wide range of people could enjoy.

[Final_Rep]

Stuck helping run an industrial/corporate audit all day. Fml

[GREENFEATHER]

the name is back to the original ish...

how is everyone in here???

We were alright till you showed up! How the hell you been?

no fraud not....

the movie was in edinburgh i think, i am aberdeen...

I live about 15km from Aberdeen too, Aberdeen, Md.

This girl I was crazy for in middle school is pregnant with triplets from a deadbeat dickwad.

I feel bad...but I sort of don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

We had a girl get pregnant in HS. The douche that did it was running his mouth bad mouthing her one day on the stairs. I dunno who hit him, but I think he hit every step on the way down. When her brother found out, he beat the ever loving hell out of him in the locker room. Then again when he decided he wasn't going to pay child support. Some people never learn.

[chazzy1864]

Watching the movie 'The Double' w/ Richard Gere and Topher Grace. Only like 30 minutes in so far; RG is pretty bad ass.

[Defiant1]

Watching the movie 'The Double' w/ Richard Gere and Topher Grace. Only like 30 minutes in so far; RG is pretty bad ass.

(homo)?

[chazzy1864]

(homo)?

Nope. No homo at all.

Don't have a man crush on either. But Gere is pretty much a bad ass.

[Defiant1]

Nope. No homo at all.

Don't have a man crush on either. But Gere is pretty much a bad ass.

the lady doth protest too much, methinkst.









































(hizzomo)?

[mrmrbill]

Your analogy sucks, and argument by analogy is fallacious regardless.

Oh the BBer analogy was just an "extra", not the main thrust. Which was, that top music writers and publications of the time were calling hip hop, "hip hop" and that rap was a sub-genre. Village Voice, LA Times, writers like Robert Hilburn and Robert Christgau were at the top of the scene.

The "hip-hop" point, was that you can't refer to what was called "hip-hop" ONLY at the time to define what we are discussing, since it wasn't the common terminology, EVEN WITHING THE INDUSTRY. Go back and look for references. You will find 50-1 as "rap" vs "hip-hop".

How much more "within the industry" can ya get? Adding Rolling Stone and Billboard to those earlier quoted, I'm not finding anything close to 50-1. If you can find anything close to 50-1, please provide. Here's a big chunk of the industry, which in turn dictates "parlance":


Top R&B/Hip-Hop songs - Week of October 22, 1988
"My Prerogative - Bobby Brown"
http://www.billboard.com/charts/r-b-...ate=1988-10-22


"Run-D.M.C. - Tougher Than Leather"
By CARY DARLING - Rolling Stone Magazine
JULY 14, 1988

"...In the hectic hip-hop world, where the names and faces change faster than you can say "rock the house," the members of Run-D.M.C. have got half the kids in the streets dogging them for teaming up with shaggy museum pieces like Aerosmith...

"It seems as if Run-D.M.C. has let the likes of Public Enemy and Ice T take over the more militant and politically aware hip-hop turf...
"In the wake of such acclaimed new hip-hop stylists as Eric B. and Rakim, DJ Jazzy Jeff and Fresh Prince and a myriad of others, there are many more pretenders to the throne, and the citizens are restless."
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/al...ather-19880714

Your "examples" (at least 3/4-I'm not looking at them but going from memory) also list the music as...."rap". Correct? Thanks for proving my point.

Recognized subgenre within Hip Hop. Even my prior links indicated as such. Not intermixed.

I'll restate my original point: They didn't create the genre, and they weren't even the first white people to do it. They exposed a lot of white kids to it.

Okay. Who, before them? No, not Queen. Blondie's a stretch worth maybe 1/2 a point. A couple lines in one song in an otherwise completely different catalog style does not a genre/subgenre make. It would be akin to identifying Homer as a beat poet. (not Simpson)

I'm from white-washed suburbia? Do tell.

I was refering to where I I I came from. I would never presume such knowledge of you -- I haven't the faintest clue.

[Drekkor]

Ch4 + 202 -> c02 + 2 h20

Ass water.

That's a combustion equation Dr. Bluedart.

[mrmrbill]

Watching the movie 'The Double' w/ Richard Gere and Topher Grace. Only like 30 minutes in so far; RG is pretty bad ass.

Marcum/Cain 5 min

[jmonty]

Avengers. Again.

[GeneralSerpant]

Rapping is a form of vocal delivery. Hip Hop is broad genre. Many people will hold that rap is the only kind of hip hop they like, so if someone asks if they like hip-hop, they can go "not really, I like rap", without concerning other hip-hop genres.

I wouldn't say Queen or Blondie's examples were demonstrations of a surfacing genre as much as them accessorizing a particular song.

[Tyrbolift]

Oh the BBer analogy was just an "extra", not the main thrust. Which was, that top music writers and publications of the time were calling hip hop, "hip hop" and that rap was a sub-genre. Village Voice, LA Times, writers like Robert Hilburn and Robert Christgau were at the top of the scene.



How much more "within the industry" can ya get? Adding Rolling Stone and Billboard to those earlier quoted, I'm not finding anything close to 50-1. If you can find anything close to 50-1, please provide. Here's a big chunk of the industry, which in turn dictates "parlance":


Top R&B/Hip-Hop songs - Week of October 22, 1988
"My Prerogative - Bobby Brown"
http://www.billboard.com/charts/r-b-...ate=1988-10-22


"Run-D.M.C. - Tougher Than Leather"
By CARY DARLING - Rolling Stone Magazine
JULY 14, 1988

"...In the hectic hip-hop world, where the names and faces change faster than you can say "rock the house," the members of Run-D.M.C. have got half the kids in the streets dogging them for teaming up with shaggy museum pieces like Aerosmith...

"It seems as if Run-D.M.C. has let the likes of Public Enemy and Ice T take over the more militant and politically aware hip-hop turf...
"In the wake of such acclaimed new hip-hop stylists as Eric B. and Rakim, DJ Jazzy Jeff and Fresh Prince and a myriad of others, there are many more pretenders to the throne, and the citizens are restless."
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/al...ather-19880714



Recognized subgenre within Hip Hop. Even my prior links indicated as such. Not intermixed.



Okay. Who, before them? No, not Queen. Blondie's a stretch worth maybe 1/2 a point. A couple lines in one song in an otherwise completely different catalog style does not a genre/subgenre make. It would be akin to identifying Homer as a beat poet. (not Simpson)



I was refering to where I I I came from. I would never presume such knowledge of you -- I haven't the faintest clue.

Go back even earlier, say, 1982. Grandmaster Flash "The Message"

What did they call that then?

[mrmrbill]

Marcum/Cain 5 min

Bah, Chz. Streamer guy is trying to make me an idiot. Is on.

[GeneralSerpant]

Go back even earlier, say, 1982. Grandmaster Flash "The Message"

What did they call that then?

Usually the music that inspires a genre won't necessarily be called the genre at the time, but I'm pretty sure all the upbringings of hip-hop called it hip-hop themselves.

[Drekkor]

Avengers. Again.

It was quite well done, I was cautious going in and pleasantly surprised.

[chazzy1864]

Marcum/Cain 5 min

I hate your games being on the Pacific Coast. I will probably watch the first couple innings and head to bed. I watched a few innings of teh Bumgarner game as well.

On the bright side, Wainwright is having his 2nd good game of the season.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=320506118

[mrmrbill]

Go back even earlier, say, 1982. Grandmaster Flash "The Message"

What did they call that then?

A masterpiece.

[Defiant1]

Okay. Who, before them? No, not Queen. Blondie's a stretch worth maybe 1/2 a point. A couple lines in one song in an otherwise completely different catalog style does not a genre/subgenre make. It would be akin to identifying Homer as a beat poet. (not Simpson)[qu

Not sure how in to music you were at the time, but there was PLENTY of "rap" influence on popular music, WAY before the Beastie Boys.

The Beastie Boys were a PRODUCT of this, not the CAUSE of this.

As stated *MTV* lists "Rapture" as the first RAP video ever played. You can argue that point with them, though your "industry says so" mantra will shut you down. Lol at "1/2" a point.

I'm not going to argue "We Will Rock You". The rap influence is clear as a bell. Beat, subject matter, "tone", etc. You can deny it all day for the sake of argument. Doesn't really matter. Go to you tube and see how many rap remakes/versions there are of it. You probably won't be able to find another song covered as much. And not by white-boys.

For SOME strange reason, Snoop Dogg basically just covered it, without changing much. Not "sampled it" Covered it.

I guess he's not "hip-hop" now?



Eminem, covered it, Uses the exact beat.

As I posted before "Der Kommisar", 1981 from Falco.

Friggin' Teena-Marie was "rapping" in "Square Biz".

"Cookie Puss" is about an Ice cream cake. FFS. "Fight for your right to party"? Fun song. Suburban wanna-be hip hop/rap.

As stated *it was quasi-novelty music*. No one took it as "serious" rap or hip-hop. At least, no one in the fully integrated schools I went to.

You are thinking "Eminem" when the reaction was more like "Vanilla Ice".


You can have the last word too, because if you don't get it by now, you aren't going to get it.