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    The definition of "Atheism", why Agnosticism is bs.

    Atheism.

    ism <- the belief in
    the <- a god
    A <- a lack of

    Atheism means a lack of belief in god. It does not mean you assert that there is no god, it does not mean you're sure that god doesn't exist. All an atheist person is, is someone who lacks a positive belief in a god.

    Agnosticism is a bs answer. If you don't assert that there is a god, you are atheist, regardless of weather or not you want to be associated with that. If you think it's unknowable, therefore you withhold judgement, you are an atheist, because you lack positive belief in a god.

    About time we cleared this up. You can be a so called 'strong atheist' where you have a positive belief that there is no god, and that is still atheism. But that does not represent all of what the word means.
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    Thanks. I thought atheism means not to believe in he existence of God. I thought so because I know some atheists who does not belief in God at all.
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    atheism = without theism
    It is simply a lack of a belief.

    agnosticism = without knowing
    It is simply a lack of knowing.

    These words aren't English, they're LATIN. These are the true definitions. Any other definition is false.

    atheism/theism is about what you believe.

    gnosticism/agnosticism is about what you know.

    They answer different questions.

    If someone asks what you believe, you'd say you're either an atheist or a theist.

    If someone asks what you know, you'd say you're an agnostic or a gnostic theist/atheist.

    You can only be a:

    gnostic theist
    agnostic theist
    agnostic atheist
    gnostic atheist

    There are no other options.

    As an atheist, I almost always describe myself as an 'agnostic atheist'. This kills 2 birds with one stone and seperates me from gnostic atheists, an extremely rare breed of douches.
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    Atheists have a lack of belief in any god. But we can't deny a possiblility of the existence of one.
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    OP please delete/edit your portion on agnosticism and why it is a "BS belief". It is a very real position and the only reasonable one pertaining to what one 'knows'.

    You could perhaps change it and explain why the dying pop. culture definition of agnosticism is BS and false.

    But right now it seems that you yourself do not know the real definition of agnosticism.

    Originally Posted by Ronan504 View Post
    Atheists have a lack of belief in any god. But we can't deny a possiblility of the existence of one.
    This is true for agnostic atheists.

    Not for gnostic atheists. Gnostic atheists are like gnostic theists. They lack intellectual honesty and are ass-holes.
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    http://oxforddictionaries.com/defini...eist?q=atheist

    atheist

    Pronunciation: /ˈeɪθɪɪst/
    noun

    a person who does not believe in the existence of God or gods: he is a committed atheist




    You can go ahead and say your personal definition of atheism is whatever you want though OP.
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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
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    http://oxforddictionaries.com/defini...eist?q=atheist

    atheist

    Pronunciation: /ˈeɪθɪɪst/
    noun

    a person who does not believe in the existence of God or gods: he is a committed atheist


    You can go ahead and say your personal definition of atheism is whatever you want though OP.
    http://atheism.about.com/od/definiti...definition.htm

    There are definitions created by theists who don't understand latin but they are wrong. You can't redefine latin words.

    This is not up to debate. We broke it down into Latin. The definition we provided for atheism is fact.
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    Originally Posted by Birdy69 View Post
    http://atheism.about.com/od/definiti...definition.htm

    There are definitions created by theists who don't understand latin but they are wrong. You can't redefine latin words.

    This is not up to debate. We broke it down into Latin. The definition we provided for atheism is fact.
    I provided the official dictionary definition. Deal with it.

    You can go ahead and say your personal definition of atheism is whatever you want it to be though brah.

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    This.

    Neil degrasse tyson is an idiot here:



    Without going into (boring-to-me) philosophy that breaks the categories down even further (“He’s a weak atheist,” “He’s an agnostic atheist”), it sounds like Tyson is just trying to back away from using the A word.

    To some extent, I understand that. He doesn’t want to be known to the public as an “atheist scientist” (like Richard Dawkins). He wants to be known as a scientist, period. There’s a huge advantage to that.

    But one of the reasons so many of us respect Dr. Tyson is because he tells it like it is (and he’s so effective in the process). I have a hard time believing he just misunderstands the terminology (at least as it’s used by the general public).

    He goes on to explain that one of the reasons he’s not an “atheist” is because the atheists he knows are fervent activists, fighting for that cause, debating god’s existence, etc. But again, that’s not what makes someone an atheist. You can be an atheist and never talk about it with anyone. If you don’t believe god exists, you’re an atheist. End of story. What you do with that belief is your business, but you don’t become a “bigger” atheist because you talk about it openly, and you’re not a “lesser” atheist if you don’t come out of the closet.

    At the end of the video, he talks about how he wouldn’t join a group for people who don’t enjoy golf… as if all atheists do is sit around and not pray. As if there is no anti-atheist discrimination to fight against. As if we’re not opposing attempts to make this a “Christian nation.”

    If people who didn’t play golf were discriminated against, then we’d make a bigger deal about that, too. But people who don’t play golf can still get elected to Congress all across the country. People who don’t believe in god are banned from even runningfor office in several states (at least in the books). . . .

    I’ve never said this before, but I’m really disappointed in Neil deGrasse Tyson after watching that video.
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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    I provided the official dictionary definition. Deal with it.

    You can go ahead and say your personal definition of atheism is whatever you want it to be though brah.

    Upon further analysis the Oxford definition and the Latin definition seem to be synonyms. Does not believe = lack of a belief. Wtf are we arguing about?

    But lol at you thinking you can debate the definition of a LATIN WORD. The definition varies from dictionary to dictionary but many definitions are wrong. Being in a dictionary doesn't make them right.

    If anybody doesn't like the true definition of atheism, take it up with the inventors of Latin.
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    Originally Posted by Birdy69 View Post
    Upon further analysis the Oxford definition and the Latin definition seem to be synonyms. Does not believe = lack of a belief. Wtf are we arguing about?

    But lol at you thinking you can debate the definition of a LATIN WORD. The definition varies from dictionary to dictionary but many definitions are wrong. Being in a dictionary doesn't make them right.

    If anybody doesn't like the true definition of Atheism, take it up with the inventors of Latin.
    I think you'll be in the minority of the douchnozzle atheists on this forum if you think does not believe = lack of belief. But I'm cool with it.



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    Originally Posted by Birdy69 View Post
    http://atheism.about.com/od/definiti...definition.htm

    There are definitions created by theists who don't understand latin but they are wrong. You can't redefine latin words.

    This is not up to debate. We broke it down into Latin. The definition we provided for atheism is fact.
    LOLWAT? I cant find one site that defines atheism any differently than believing no dieties exist. You say they are created by theist, then to prove your point you link a website with the word atheism in it..? I'm hoping that was a joke and you arent just a fukkin hypocrite..
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    Originally Posted by chalup View Post
    LOLWAT? I cant find one site that defines atheism any differently than believing no dieties exist. You say they are created by theist, then to prove your point you link a website called with the word atheism in it..?
    its a theist conspiracy bro.
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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    I think you'll be in the minority of the douchnozzle atheists on this forum if you think does not believe = lack of belief. But I'm cool with it.
    I guess they aren't synonyms. Doesn't matter. I'm still right.

    Originally Posted by chalup
    LOLWAT? I cant find one site that defines atheism any differently than believing no dieties exist. You say they are created by theist, then to prove your point you link a website with the word atheism in it..? I'm hoping that was a joke and you arent just a fukkin hypocrite..
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
    Originally Posted by wikipedia
    Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.

    Originally Posted by Lasher
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    The very first sentence of the link you posted says

    Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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    Originally Posted by chalup View Post
    The very first sentence of the link you posted says

    Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

    Jesus..
    Atheism in a broadest sense is simply a lack of a belief.

    It's like a meaning inside a meaning. Inceptioned.

    The meaning of the word is debated constantly. The official definition given by atheist groups is simply a lack of belief in the existence of a deity.
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    Originally Posted by Birdy69 View Post
    As far as Ad Honinem attacks go, your beliefs are so retarded that your own daughter disowned said beliefs.
    You seem to be confused about what an ad hominem is. Were I attacking your argument with the insult I would be committing an ad hominem. I was just loling at you apart from your argument. At best, you could accuse me of being impolite.
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    Originally Posted by Birdy69 View Post
    Atheism in a broadest sense is simply a lack of a belief.

    It's like a meaning inside a meaning. Inceptioned.

    The meaning of the word is debated constantly. The official definition given by atheist groups is simply a lack of belief in the existence of a deity.
    So you are telling me that rejection and lack mean exactly the same thing. And although wiki says REJECTION they actually mean lack amirite? lolokay.
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    Originally Posted by chalup View Post
    So you are telling me that rejection and lack mean exactly the same thing. And although wiki says REJECTION they actually mean lack amirite? lolokay.
    The wiki says lack (absence).

    Originally Posted by wikipedia
    Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.

    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    You seem to be confused about what an ad hominem is. Were I attacking your argument with the insult I would be committing an ad hominem. I was just loling at you apart from your argument. At best, you could accuse me of being impolite.
    Halo effect still applies.
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    Originally Posted by Birdy69 View Post
    The wiki says lack (absence).
    first sentence.

    Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities
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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    first sentence.

    Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities

    third sentence.

    Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.


    Atheism has multiple meanings that fit inside each other. But a person who simply lacks a belief in a deity is still called an atheist.
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    Originally Posted by Birdy69 View Post
    third sentence.

    Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.

    Atheism has multiple meanings that fit inside each other. But a person who simply lacks a belief in a deity is still called an atheist.
    yes under the redefinition shennigans y'all think you're getting away with.
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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    yes under the redefinition shennigans y'all think you're getting away with.
    Take it up with the inventors of Latin.

    Either that or take it up with the Board of Education/Philosophy for not spreading the word Anti-theism.
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    Originally Posted by Birdy69 View Post
    Take it up with the inventors of Latin.

    Either that or take it up with the Board of Education/Philosophy for not spreading the word Anti-theism.
    I'm taking it up with you.

    Conflating atheism into agnosticism trivializes the word. You should be ashamed of your support for the butchery of meanings in language.

    Your desire to increase the size of your "clubhouse" at the expense of the meaning of words is appalling to say the least.
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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    I'm taking it up with you.

    Conflating atheism into agnosticism trivializes the word. You should be ashamed of your support for the butchery of meanings in language.

    Your desire to increase the size of your "clubhouse" at the expense of the meaning of words is appalling to say the least.
    You're the one butchering Latin words.

    Agnosticism is what you know.

    Atheism is what you believe.

    I am both an atheist and an agnostic. I have a friend who is both a theist and an agnostic.
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    LOL @ Atheists trying to group all agnostics into their camp and way of thinking. Most agnostic types I've ever met STRONGLY don't want to be considered an Athiest. Lets get real people.

    Theist = belive in god.
    Agnostic = maybe or maybe not a god.
    Atheist = there is no god.
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    Originally Posted by 209vaughn View Post
    LOL @ Atheists trying to group all agnostics into their camp and way of thinking. Most agnostic types I've ever met STRONGLY don't want to be considered an Athiest. Lets get real people.

    Theist = belive in god.
    Agnostic = maybe or maybe not a god.
    Atheist = there is no god.
    But they lose membership numbers under the traditionally understood meaning of the words. Can't be having that right?
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    Lets get real people.
    please do.
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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    But they lose membership numbers under the traditionally understood meaning of the words. Can't be having that right?
    BRB largest gathering of Atheists ever.... 8000 people.
    BRB Richard Dawkins rally suppose to have 3000 people... 200 people.

    Originally Posted by Yahweh View Post
    please do.
    So if i have a friend who says "I dont know if their is a God". Then he's an "Atheist"? Please.
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