Why is sugar bad for you?

[ArchangelEST]

That's a blanket statement that's clearly not true. Can you post some evidence for your claim?

Not all protein sources universally stimulate a greater insulin release than carbs, but a great deal of protein sources do cause very high insulin response, beyond that of which many carb sources do.

I'm at work so no studies at hand, but others should be able to provide them to you. Quite fascinating really. Carbs getting all the bad rep, when plenty of popular protein sources Vastly outperform carbs when it comes to insulin release.

[Scraff]

Not all protein sources universally stimulate a greater insulin release than carbs, but a great deal of protein sources do cause very high insulin response, beyond that of which many carb sources do.

I don't doubt that.

1. That doesn't make the blanket statement that was made true.
2. I'm sure Ripped_k1d wasn't talking about "carbs" when he said "sugar."

Carbs getting all the bad rep, when plenty of popular protein sources Vastly outperform carbs when it comes to insulin release.

I don't think there's anything bad about an insulin release.

[Apex702]

It sounds like you're making an excuse for him, Apex, and assuming you know that his point was something other than what he claimed. Ripped_k1d said that sugar spikes insulin like a mofo and BBqChicken1 replied by telling him he'd surprise him with the fact that protein spikes insulin more than sugar.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...00267-0143.pdf

I see your point concerning his statement.

[Apex702]

2. I'm sure Ripped_k1d wasn't talking about "carbs" when he said "sugar" (and BBqChicken1 also said ")

Are they not essentially the same thing?

[Scraff]

Are they not essentially the same thing?

Of course not. Just like individual l-amino acids in crystalline form (used in the study you linked to) aren't the same as "protein."

Table sugar has a different insulin response than complex carbs which is what's usually meant when one chooses the word "carbs" over the word "sugar." Ripped_k1d used the word "sugar."

I'll surprise you. Protein spikes insulin more than carbs! Yeah, that's right! In your face! Now stop eating protein.

That's a blanket statement that I would bet is not true in most cases (if any) and gives people the wrong message (one that isn't true).

[Apex702]

Of course not. Just like individual l-amino acids in crystalline form (used in the study you linked to) aren't the same as "protein."

Table sugar has a different insulin response than complex carbs which is what's usually meant when one chooses the word "carbs" over the word "sugar." Ripped_k1d used the word "sugar."


That's a blanket statement that I would bet is not true in most cases (if any) and gives people the wrong message (one that isn't true).

In what sense are they different? They take different metabolic pathways?

[Scraff]

In what sense are they different?

I answered that already- they have various insulin responses. You can't pick and choose sources because you understand the difference in insulin responses and then later claim that they're essentially the same when you want to use the data from carb sources that have a low insulin response and from proteins (or individual l-amino acids) that have a high insulin response.

[Apex702]

I answered that already- they have various insulin responses. You can't pick and choose sources because you understand the difference in insulin responses and then later claim that they're essentially the same when you want to use the data from carb sources that have a low insulin response and from proteins (or individual l-amino acids) that have a high insulin response.

So table sugar has a different insulin response than oatmeal because of its chemical makeup or the vehicle in which it's ingested to the body?

EDIT: I am fully aware protein is insulinogenic but was not defending the claim that's it more insulinogenic than sugar.

[bah01001]

Read first 2 pages and stopped..

So has this been answered yet or is everyone still arguing over Semantics?

[Scraff]

Are you genuinely asking a question or are you trying to make a point? If you're trying to make a point, just make it without asking a question. I answered why various sugars and carbs aren't "essentially the same." They have different insulin responses which is the context of this topic.

[Scraff]

EDIT: I am fully aware protein is insulinogenic but was not defending the claim that's it more insulinogenic than sugar.

Then I see no point in continuing as that's the claim I'm discussing.

[Apex702]

Are you genuinely asking a question or are you trying to make a point? If you're trying to make a point, just make it without asking a question. I answered why various sugars and carbs aren't "essentially the same." They have different insulin responses which is the context of this topic.

I was asking a question. I know the difference between simple and complex carbohydrates but the question is are the insulin responses different simply because of their chemical makeup or is it dependent on the food in which they're found in. An example would be table sugar versus a potatoe.

Do you understand why I'm asking why the insulin response is different?

[Scraff]

are the insulin responses different simply because of their chemical makeup or is it dependent on the food in which they're found in.

The insulin response is different because of their chemical makeup. There will also be a difference in insulin response when ingested with other foods, found in other foods, taken in a fasted state, etc.

Do you understand why I'm asking why the insulin response is different?

Nope.

[Apex702]

The insulin response is different because of their chemical makeup. There will also be a difference in insulin response when ingested with other foods, found in other foods, taken in a fasted state, etc.

That's what I was asking.

Nope.

That's ironic because you just answered my question. Before you say that you already answered it please re-read your responses - you'll find that you only said that "they have various insulin responses" without stating why - which was my question.

Also, something else that confuses me is that carbohydrates are saccharides, correct? Doesn't that mean "sugar"?

Seems like it leaves the door wide open to argument semantics on this topic. I'm not going to because it's obvious you're more knowledgable on the subject than I.

[PerpetualMotion]

Also, something else that confuses me is that carbohydrates are saccharides, correct? Doesn't that mean "sugar"?

Technically, you're right. So just saying "sugar" really encompasses all carbohydrates since all carbohydrates are saccharides (at least, what I remember from biochemistry) and therefore sugars.

So, semantically, just saying sugar is vague but obviously people are referring to table sugar, which is just sucrose.

[Apex702]

Technically, you're right. So just saying "sugar" really encompasses all carbohydrates since all carbohydrates are saccharides (at least, what I remember from biochemistry) and therefore sugars.

So, semantically, just saying sugar is vague but obviously people are referring to table sugar, which is just sucrose.

I know, I was just trying to show some irony regarding the whole argument. Sometimes people take themselves too seriously.

In any regard thread was entertaining.

[PerpetualMotion]

I know, I was just trying to show some irony regarding the whole argument. Sometimes people take themselves too seriously.

In any regard thread was entertaining.

Dang I herped.

[WonderPug]

In any regard thread was entertaining.

It was, if in a train wreck kind of way.

[jordanscott]

Read first 2 pages and stopped..

So has this been answered yet or is everyone still arguing over Semantics?

yeah i'm pretty confused tbh, everyone keeps arguing on points being made so i'm not really sure which information is correct...

[Apex702]

yeah i'm pretty confused tbh, everyone keeps arguing on points being made so i'm not really sure which information is correct...

Really? The answer is and always has been that sugar is not bad for any specific reason when eaten in moderation. Much like any food.

[jordanscott]

Really? The answer is and always has been that sugar is not bad for any specific reason when eaten in moderation. Much like any food.

okay cheers!

[Keenl3ody]

I, for some reason, just read through this entire mofro. two people came in here as google warriors and was smacked down, kinda sad

and yes pug is a d!ck but he has taken me from an uneducated guy that doesn't know how to find answers to a guy that is in the process and can find his own answers. I owe this to pug for dikking around with me and not giving me, or other people, an answer

[Keenl3ody]

oh and my supervisor recently read up on Atkins and avoids carbs as much as he can. he obviously dropped like 5 lbs in a week and now he's telling everybody about it and the bro science gets spread.

he keeps saying sugar will make you fat. I would school him but he's so hard headed that it's not worth it to have him pissed at me for telling him his entire diet will stall if he doesn't count cals

[Apex702]

oh and my supervisor recently read up on Atkins and avoids carbs as much as he can. he obviously dropped like 5 lbs in a week and now he's telling everybody about it and the bro science gets spread.

he keeps saying sugar will make you fat. I would school him but he's so hard headed that it's not worth it to have him pissed at me for telling him his entire diet will stall if he doesn't count cals

Or you can politely introduce peer reviewed scientific research to him and once he chooses to incorporate the new information into his lifestyle, ask for a raise.

[Keenl3ody]

Or you can politely introduce peer reviewed scientific research to him and once he chooses to incorporate the new information into his lifestyle, ask for a raise.

I doubt that. he's super weird about being right. he doesn't have an understanding of calories and thinks you can eat at a surplus and still lose weight as long as you're not eating sugar.

he's country so he's semi built but he's got quite a bit of fat. I may just ask him to hit me up when he feels like he's not losing any more weight. because god knows everybody will tell him to eat a lot of carbs for a week to "shock" his system because it gets used to losing weight. starvation mode?

[Apex702]

I doubt that. he's super weird about being right. he doesn't have an understanding of calories and thinks you can eat at a surplus and still lose weight as long as you're not eating sugar.

he's country so he's semi built but he's got quite a bit of fat. I may just ask him to hit me up when he feels like he's not losing any more weight. because god knows everybody will tell him to eat a lot of carbs for a week to "shock" his system because it gets used to losing weight. starvation mode?

Isn't it soul crushing to work for someone like that? I mean, I wonder if his position was awarded on merit or default. Typically it's the latter - at least in my experience but I'm arrogant.

[jordanscott]

topicoftheweek69 (bb.com)

this article says sugar is bad for you in many ways (affects endocrine system, affects immune system, causes insulin insensitivity etc.). since the general answer here is that sugar itself isn't bad, what are these claims based on?