question about driving manual transmission car

[Spaminator92]

neutral and then just brake

Nope.

[BloodFireDeath]

Seriously though, the guy who was claiming downshifting stepwise is retarded is a ******* like many others who haven't faced a problem yet because they have only driven on level roads.

Imagine a downhill slope, you put the vehicle in Neutral and it just rolls down, you have little control. And again, engaging a gear gives you actual control of the vehicle.
We are talking about being able to accelerate, decelarate quickly, having a maximum set speed limit by engine braking, being able to accelerate again quickly from a stop VS sitting in a vehicle that's just rolling due to momentum and gravity, can't be sped up, if slowed down it will take more time to put in gear etc etc.

[DPBizzle]

you engine braking guys are wrong

my mechanic, who has been a mechanic for 40 years, tole me to pop it in neutral. Brakes are much cheaper to replace than a clutch or transmission. It is smarter to wear down the breaks and replace them instead of placing stress your transmission.

You *******s who try to look cool by shifting perfectly to a stop are impressing no one.

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you are wrong

your brakes work just fine in neutral. brakes are cheaper than transmissions. some ******* like you doesn't know more than my mechanic with 40 years of experience. neutral is the best way to come to a stop

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no you don't. I just go into neutral and cruise so I don't wear out the clutch. Not sure if this is actually good for the car although I don't see why it wouldn't be

@spaminator I thought that downshifting uses the clutch and therefore wears it out more, whereas breaking just wears out the breakpad. And break pads are way cheaper to replace than the clutch. Not saying you are wrong but that was what I always thought

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brb fukkin your clutch re-engaging all the time


brake discs - $70, dual mass flywheel clutch - $2000

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true.

soooo much crap going on for something as simple as coming to a stop at lights hahah

heel and toe? its not a bloody race track down shifting at 100kmh...

ill keep this simple as **** ok?

-traffic lights turn orange
-release accelerator
-begin braking
-when revs drop low (towards a stall but not jerking!), clutch IN.
-shift to neutral, clutch OUT
-brake to STOP.
-win!

what if the light is already red, could be turning green? lets say 4th gear...
-Begin braking
-revs drop
-clutch IN
-keeping clutch in, select 3rd.
-changing to green? nope
-revs still dropping
-clutch still in, select 2nd
-light turns green! theoretically you should be at the right gear for the speed.
-release clutch
-go thru the green light like a boss!

learning to engine brake is good for emergency stopping. its like the second way, but while braking you release the clutch on each gear change.

my tips.
-if you dont have to engine brake, dont. brake pads are way cheaper in the long run.
-stick in it neutral at the lights so you dont ride the clutch.

it not like the wear for doing those things are massive, but why wear parts at all when you dont have to?

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Lol at you guys that downshift, brb saving $20 brake pads but burning $2000 clutch quicker.
Also lol at people coasting in neutral instead of in gear, brb wasting gas, brb when slowing down in gear not a drop of gas is used.

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Who the hell downshifts to a stop? Brake pads are cheaper than clutches why prematurely wear the clutch?

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Didn't read pages 2 and 3, but on 1 and 4, no one clarified the fact that when you downshift, you don't just downshift, that puts immense pressure on the tranny and its components. Rev-match to downshift.

Say you're in 4th. See a red light ahead. hit the clutch, tap the gas so the revs jump 500-1000 (depending on your car), drop it into third and lay off the clutch. That way the flywheel and clutch are matching rotations when you go down one gear. If you don't rev-match you'll feel that big lurch, which is a no-no.

I've driven stick for my past 2 cars. I love manual, but I actually tend to just pop it neutral when I'm coming to a stop and brake. Rather replace brakes/pads more often than a clutch. If you can't rev match back into gear in a second or less, while rolling, then you should learn how to.

^^^^dude above me posted at the same time and is also correct. But unfortunately you cannot heal and toe on every car. You can on an old BMW 3 series, but its impossible on my Subaru because the pedals are in the most awkward positions.

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No point in using engaging braking to stop unless you're driving aggressively. I just brake until I get down to a slower speed then flip it into neutral and stop with the brake. If I'm doing some spirited driving ill engine brake into corners and accelerate through. When I see people downshifting through all their gears coming up to a stop I just laugh.

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This I leave it engaged in whatever gear I was cruising in then coast/brake to the stop (while still in gear) then when I'm going slow enough that it'll start to stall (pretty much like 10-15mph) I'll put the car in neutral and finish with the brake. You only have to shift one time coming to a stop that way and that's just sliding it into neutral. Like I said in a previous post though If I'm doing some spirited driving on a back road or something I'll be driving then brake + engine break with like second gear into a corner then accelerate through.

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[fishpat86]

A 5 page thread on how to slow a car down!

[o0o0o0o0o0]

who do i listen too

[DrZeusss]

5 pages on how to downshift a car with manual transmission

only on the misc

[i_holla]

You mad i drive automatic. brb texting while driving cause i can

[Bseic]

5 pages huh?

People still misc on 30 posts per page? What is this, the 2000s?

[relaxshes12]

All right look man there lots of ways you can do this all right. Handbraking is the easiest so the first thing I want you to do, I want you to rip that E-Brake all right. After you rip that E-Brake then I want you to power over.

[BrianK.]

So if I let my engine slow me down, lets say 3rd gear, 4k RPM when I start to slow, it uses less gas then when I press the clutch and the RPM drops to 600?


The fuk are you smoking? I guess I should set my idle RPM at 3k to save gas...

The first part of your statement is technically true. It's usually a negligible amount with today's technology, but it's true.

When your car is at idle RPMs, it's only using gas from shutting off.

Look up deceleration fuel cut off.

[Mike1991]

I dont understand the point in downshifting..

I just push in my clutch and coast to the stop, braking; then if the light changes green I just shift into whatever gear i need to

what the problem is?

[WeTrippyMane]

1. slow down
2. break
3.clutch in
4. rev a little
5.down to the lower gear
6.clutch out

if you have to stop right away
1.break
2.clutch in to N
3.stop

[Mike1991]

1. slow down
2. break
3.clutch in
4. rev a little
5.down to the lower gear
6.clutch out

if you have to stop right away
1.break
2.clutch in to N
3.stop

what is the advantage to downshifting?

you are just putting more uncessesqry wear on your car.. like others have said its muchhhh cheaper to replace break pads

[Uncle-Phil]

You have to hit brakes, then rev your engine as you stop to let others around you know that your parts were overnight from japan, then hit nitrous at the right time, not too soon.... Jr...

[dasfeuer]

Ex-prof formula Renault, Gloria, m3, 996 cup race driver here.

If you want to do the braking on the engine correctly you have to double clutch. This means:

Approaching traffic light with 200 km/h in 6th. Light suddenly becomes red.

1) hit the brake
2) hit clutch,
3) quick to neutral, release clutch
4) apply throttle while still braking
5) hit clutch and move to 5th quick enough so the revs are perfectly aligned with the axle's part of the gearbox
6) release clutch
7) repeat till 3rd or 2nd gear.

This way your not wearing out your transmission because it doesn't have to take the blow from the difference in revs between the trans and the axle.

If your lazy you can remove the go to neutral part but atleast apply throttle in between ESPECIALLY at higher revs. On a wet surface (or dry) at high revs you can make your rear tires lock up and loose control. Your transmission will thank me

What this guy says. You guys too busy granny shiftin

You don't need to double clutch in newer manual cars since they have syncros and lol at the granny shifting comment. You've watched too much Fast and Furious brah

[Deez Nutz]

[ohface0]

If you need to downshift to stop your car, fix your ****ty brakes. Unless you're going down a very steep incline, brakes are all you need to use.

[RodSwollenpole]

Clutch in, neutral, apply brakes. Unless you rev match while you downshift to engine brake you will put unnecessary stress on your drivetrain. Brake pads are expendable, transmissions are not.

[ProLibertas]

I do both, depending on the distance. Engine brake if I'm far enough away, I don't see how this could possible be complicated it's just shifting in the opposite direction. When I'm to close for that clutch in and brake.

[Rhev]

Been a long time since I've driven a regular clutch. My car has a stage 3 racing clutch so it just hooks and goes, no feathering. Basically I just rev match. Say I'm on the freeway coming off and I'm in 5th. I coast until about 45 then downshift into 3rd, before I release the clutch, I give a little gas to match engine speed with rpms making smoother shift. then usually i just coast to the light in neutral. My gears range far. for instance they max at 2nd - 60mph / 3rd - 95mph / 4th - 120mph / 5th - 145 to 150mph. Yes I've done it and been that fast.

[f20cFTW]

Lol@people who literally downshift through all the gears

Notsureifretarded

Op if you have a good distance just drop it into 3rd or 2nd and slow down a good bit that way. You can go down to first if you want too but i dont see any reason to. Just make sure your rev matching, itll take some practice.

If its just a red light that comes up just fuking put it in neutral and use the brakes not rocket science. Until you can rev match right just do this.

[muscleholic]

how do you shift down/slow down when your coming to a stop or red light?

do you just press the break then clutch and switch gear to 1st gear?

gooby pls.

[GM54]

If you want to do it like a 16 year old girl, then you engage the clutch, brake, and then come to a rest in neutral/1st.


If you know what you're doing you downshift through your gears and engine brake to a rest.

downside to this is your brake lights dont go on obviously and you up your chances of being rear ended by someone who isnt paying attention

[arekieh]

downside to this is your brake lights dont go on obviously and you up your chances of being rear ended by someone who isnt paying attention

You should be braking at the same time genius


So many retards ITT, anyone who says they will wreck their clutch downshifting is mentally retarded.

They only way you'll wreck your clutch downshifting is if you suck and don't know how to shift. It is exactly the same as upshifting just the other way. Learn to drive you fcking idiots.


Also, you're all granny shifting when you should be double clutching

[GM54]

You should be braking at the same time genius


So many retards ITT, anyone who says they will wreck their clutch downshifting is mentally retarded.

They only way you'll wreck your clutch downshifting is if you suck and don't know how to shift. It is exactly the same as upshifting just the other way. Learn to drive you fcking idiots.


Also, you're all granny shifting when you should be double clutching

the guy who's post i quoted said nothing about braking so i assumed he was talking about downshifting in order to slow down.

also, calm down vin diesel

[WeTrippyMane]

what is the advantage to downshifting?

you are just putting more uncessesqry wear on your car.. like others have said its muchhhh cheaper to replace break pads

makes me look cool

[Tes45]

No point in using engaging braking to stop unless you're driving aggressively. I just brake until I get down to a slower speed then flip it into neutral and stop with the brake. If I'm doing some spirited driving ill engine brake into corners and accelerate through. When I see people downshifting through all their gears coming up to a stop I just laugh.

How in the hell could you ever see someone doing this without being in their car? You've literally never laughed at someone you "saw" for doing that in your entire life.

[charliebrook01]

This thread has blown my mind and lowered my opinion of americans even more

[Snakethejake83]

This thread has blown my mind and lowered my opinion of americans even more

Like any of us give a Flying F*ck what you think about Americans. Seriously.

[BloodFireDeath]

what is the advantage to downshifting?

The advantages are that :

1. The gear is engaged for the majority of the time, giving you control of the vehicle for majority of the time, which is DESIRABLE.

2. Reduces the dependence on manual braking, on long trips this could have some substantial sparing effect on the brakes preventing overheating and loss of contact with the wheels. Forget wear and tear of brakes, overheating of brakes is a very real problem and could appear within hours of long trips. Also, there is now more room for error if you for some reason can't hit the brakes in time.

3. Increases reliability on wet surfaces/ mud/gravel etc. You will dun goofd if you brake hard trying to come to a stop from even 60mph if there is gravel/sand/water/oil etc over the point you are applying the brakes. Whereas while downshifting, the tyres are always rolling, you won't skid.

4. Better control of the vehicle: While downshifting, you stay in a gear. You can always use the throttle to speed up to get out of tricky situations.
Look at it like this: While braking in neutral, you have just one way to slow down the car VS in downshifting, where the gear is engaged mostly; and you are using the throttle. In this case you have 2 ways to slow down, ONE you release the throttle and TWO Manual braking. = better control, better precision.

5. Only correct way while downhill : Sometimes even full use of the brakes even in 2nd or 3rd gear won't be enough to stop the vehicle on downhill roads. You add Neutral to that and u dun goofd 4eva

You don't have to go through each gear. You only have to keep it smooth. Neutral+Brake will work for people who go from home to high school on a ****gytime straight level road. Sure it works, it will get you at your destination but you will start to have problems on unfamiliar roads.