question about driving manual transmission car

[Bseic]

someone tell me why

Lets say i'm in 6th gear and see the light turn yellow down the street, why not just drop in neutral and coast to the light?

You shouldn't just coast along in neutral. When you do, your control over the car is highly limited. Just leave it in sixth and downshift through gears using the engine to decelerate.

[pMFparker]

Last time I checked breaks were less than a trans. I never shift into first for engine breaking.

[anon100]

you engine braking guys are wrong

my mechanic, who has been a mechanic for 40 years, tole me to pop it in neutral. Brakes are much cheaper to replace than a clutch or transmission. It is smarter to wear down the breaks and replace them instead of placing stress your transmission.

You *******s who try to look cool by shifting perfectly to a stop are impressing no one.

Engine braking is way more effective to stop your car. Plus you do not need to downshift to stop, just push the clutch in when you are about to stall. This does not wear the clutch out in any way.

Strong knowledge of manual cars ITT.

[Tes45]

you engine braking guys are wrong

my mechanic, who has been a mechanic for 40 years, tole me to pop it in neutral. Brakes are much cheaper to replace than a clutch or transmission. It is smarter to wear down the breaks and replace them instead of placing stress your transmission.

You *******s who try to look cool by shifting perfectly to a stop are impressing no one.

I clutch in, neutral, and brake. I read somewhere "brake pads are cheaper than ur transmission" which stopped me from shifting down gear.

lol, you morons realize that you're only adding wear to the side of the gear tooth that barely ever gets touched right?


You will NEVER kill a transmission by downshifting in proper sequence. The amount of wear the transmission receives from upshifting every time you drive is exponentially greater and is what will eventually kill it.

The only way to kill a tranny downshifting would be doing something completely retarded, like dropping from 6th at 7k to 2nd immediately.

[AlphaMaleSWOLE]

I clutch in, neutral, and brake. I read somewhere "brake pads are cheaper than ur transmission" which stopped me from shifting down gear.

You shouldn't just coast along in neutral. When you do, your control over the car is highly limited. Just leave it in sixth and downshift through gears using the engine to decelerate.

you are wrong

your brakes work just fine in neutral. brakes are cheaper than transmissions. some ******* like you doesn't know more than my mechanic with 40 years of experience. neutral is the best way to come to a stop

[NessNasty]

drop it into 2nd gear every time you want to slow down, works best on the freeway

[AlphaMaleSWOLE]

All the idiots in this thread are not mechanics and don' tknow **** about fixing cars.

[chpalmer24]

I clutch in, neutral, and brake. I read somewhere "brake pads are cheaper than ur transmission" which stopped me from shifting down gear.

This. Yes you can downshift all the way to first, but if you're in fifth or sixth coming up on a red light why put unneeded wear on your clutch. If you get asked on your driving test though, you never have your car out of gear, just in case you need to take evasive action... (never thought this argument was very convincing, though myself)

[Tes45]

All the idiots in this thread are not mechanics and don' tknow **** about fixing cars.

You know absolutely nothing about how a transmission works if you claim downshifting will wear it out faster.

[o0o0o0o0o0]

lol i guess everyone has there own method

[TomsGunz]

break then when the revs are low clutch in shift into selected gear for speed, usually 2nd unless you come to a full stop then 1st gear, but you can still take off in 2nd gear just need higher revs

pussies ride the clutch

[Tes45]

This. Yes you can downshift all the way to first, but if you're in fifth or sixth coming up on a red light why put unneeded wear on your clutch. If you get asked on your driving test though, you never have your car out of gear, just in case you need to take evasive action... (never thought this argument was very convincing, though myself)

The wear on your clutch is no different than any other shift you'd make. You **** up your clutch by missing gears and grinding it, not shifting properly.

[Austanian]

Shifting though the gears gives you better control of your car.

[AlphaMaleSWOLE]

You know absolutely nothing about how a transmission works if you claim downshifting will wear it out faster.

why don't you think about the fact that not everyone perfectly downshifts every time

like I said, you don't know **** compared to my buddy who has fixed cars for the last 40 years. downshifting to a stop every time is stupid and unnecessary

[RH1N0BRAH]

Push the clutch, pull the e-brake.

*whilst still moving

[nzmusclez]

must have read my post haha

haha nah bro but you got the right idea. Read it on a performance car forum.

[chpalmer24]

The wear on your clutch is no different than any other shift you'd make. You **** up your clutch by missing gears and grinding it, not shifting properly.

I didn't say downshifting causes any more wear than regular upshifting. It's simple math - if you downshift all the way from 6th gear, how many single shifts is that? 5. If you shift directly into neutral from 6th, that is 1 single shift. Are you seriously saying that engaging the clutch for 5 different shifts wears the clutch out the same amount as engaging the clutch for one shift?

[Tes45]

why don't you think about the fact that not everyone perfectly downshifts every time

like I said, you don't know **** compared to my buddy who has fixed cars for the last 40 years. downshifting to a stop every time is stupid and unnecessary

I think I've mentioned multiple times ITT that most drivers these days are incapable of a maneuver as simple as engine braking.

I know you definitely don't know **** about how transmissions work and conversing with you about them is a waste of time though.

[extreme88]

why don't you think about the fact that not everyone perfectly downshifts every time

like I said, you don't know **** compared to my buddy who has fixed cars for the last 40 years. downshifting to a stop every time is stupid and unnecessary

agreed!

[Land_Down_Under]

I used to own a v8 5 speed manual that sounded tuff. Didn't worry me down shifting n not using brakes just to hear it growl n crackle

[AlphaMaleSWOLE]

I think I've mentioned multiple times ITT that most drivers these days are incapable of a maneuver as simple as engine braking.

I know you definitely don't know **** about how transmissions work and conversing with you about them is a waste of time though.

you would get your ass chewed out down at the shop for being a fairy who makes dumb ass statements about cars

[Tes45]

I didn't say downshifting causes any more wear than regular upshifting. It's simple math - if you downshift all the way from 6th gear, how many single shifts is that? 5. If you shift directly into neutral from 6th, that is 1 single shift. Are you seriously saying that engaging the clutch for 5 different shifts wears the clutch out the same amount as engaging the clutch for one shift?

MIGHT have to change the clutch at 123k instead of 125k.

[nzmusclez]

lol, you morons realize that you're only adding wear to the side of the gear tooth that barely ever gets touched right?


You will NEVER kill a transmission by downshifting in proper sequence. The amount of wear the transmission receives from upshifting every time you drive is exponentially greater and is what will eventually kill it.

The only way to kill a tranny downshifting would be doing something completely retarded, like dropping from 6th at 7k to 2nd immediately.

You're argument is still saying that it gets worn down - just not as much to be worried about, unless you mistakenly changed into 2nd. OR I could simply brake.... I'll continue braking.

This. Yes you can downshift all the way to first, but if you're in fifth or sixth coming up on a red light why put unneeded wear on your clutch. If you get asked on your driving test though, you never have your car out of gear, just in case you need to take evasive action... (never thought this argument was very convincing, though myself)

Yeh I also for my driving test remained in gear for the "evasive action" that might be required. But I CBF holding my foot on my clutch at the lights in first and whatnot.

[chpalmer24]

MIGHT have to change the clutch at 123k instead of 125k.

My point has been made, thank you. And do not attempt to play this off as a "beginner vs. advanced driver" debate. I will heel-toe all day long through the canyons and at the track, but when it comes to stopping from 5th or 6th gear I will continue throwing it into neutral and braking as necessary.

[Rupert IV]

If i'm slowing down but there is potential for movement such as when I'm joing the back end of a slow moving queue I'll drop from 5th to 3rd to 2nd and then coast. If I'm slowing down and know I will have to stop then not a single fuk is given I will just coast all the way.

This is how I roll after driving a manual car on the left hand side of the road every day for about ten years

[Tes45]

You're argument is still saying that it gets worn down - just not as much to be worried about, unless you mistakenly changed into 2nd. OR I could simply brake.... I'll continue braking.

No. I was explaining that there's two sides to each gears teeth. One side engages during acceleration and the other engages during deceleration. The only extra wear induced by downshifting occurs on the side of the tooth that would never receive any wear otherwise.

Meaning, one side of the tooth is going to receive wear every single time you accelerate in that gear. The only time it will receive wear on the other side is during deceleration or downshifting. Since that side of the tooth will always receive less wear than the acceleration side, the wear induced is completely negligible to the life of the transmission.

[Bseic]

you are wrong

your brakes work just fine in neutral. brakes are cheaper than transmissions. some ******* like you doesn't know more than my mechanic with 40 years of experience. neutral is the best way to come to a stop

I said 'your control over the car is highly limited'... I didn't claim your brakes don't work.

Good luck trying to accelerate when you're in neutral and you need to move your car somewhere in a hurry.

[Wezz0]

depress clutch, downshift ~ 3rd if you plan to slow a and come to stop..rev match.. (takes practice) drop clutch and ur engine should slow ur car down . you can downshift to 2nd once ur car is slowed down more.. dont down shift to 1st.. please...after the revs get low enough on second just go to neutral and use ur brakes

[AlphaMaleSWOLE]

No. I was explaining that there's two sides to each gears teeth. One side engages during acceleration and the other engages during deceleration. The only extra wear induced by downshifting occurs on the side of the tooth that would never receive any wear otherwise.

Meaning, one side of the tooth is going to receive wear every single time you accelerate in that gear. The only time it will receive wear on the other side is during deceleration or downshifting. Since that side of the tooth will always receive less wear than the acceleration side, the wear induced is completely negligible to the life of the transmission.

wrong wrong wrong

did you go to some dumbass tech school or something? in the real world you extend the life of you transmission by braking in neutral. who cares about replacing brake pads they are cheap as dirt in the averageeconomy car

[Tes45]

wrong wrong wrong

did you go to some dumbass tech school or something? in the real world you extend the life of you transmission by braking in neutral. who cares about replacing brake pads they are cheap as dirt in the averageeconomy car

Explain what I wrote that was wrong genius. You are not extending the life of your transmission at all by braking in neutral.

You are only saving your clutch a nearly insignificant amount of work, and guess what? If you break 100k in a manual vehicle you're changing your clutch, whether you engine broke or not.

You don't engine brake to save brake pads, you do it to control your car properly.