astral/OBE, metaphysics, quantum levels, aliens/ETs, government, & more V2

[YasiinBey]

What the fck ? Wikipedia has a reason? Lmao...that's your 'source'? Educate on what? There's no education in spiritualism It's just the blatant attempt of blending science and faith into one giant circle-jerk of emotionally disturbed and easily influenced douchebags. .

SHOW ME THE PROOF. None of this BS is real. It's another form of religion, you jackass. It's a religion based on self-hypnosis and NLP to have the follower become a passive little ghandi bitch through the power of 'love'. Get fcken real. Ain't nothing but a gimmick, you dumb ignorant 18 y/o kid with no life experience.

this is a journey of self enlightenment and self discovery i can't help you

[LightLifter12]

Share your beliefs instead of bashing ours brah

They're not even YOUR beliefs, you dumbass. You never knew about them untll someone taught you. how can you take ownership of something you didnt create? You're just a carbon copy.

[iTzDevo]

They're not even YOUR beliefs, you dumbass. You never knew about them untll someone taught you. how can you take ownership of something you didnt create? You're just a carbon copy.

feel free to address my discussion if you're finished acting like an angsty teenager

[Skandyfab]

this thread sucks

[SlurpDerp]

They're not even YOUR beliefs, you dumbass. You never knew about them untll someone taught you. how can you take ownership of something you didnt create? You're just a carbon copy.

With that logic, EVERYTHING is a carbon copy, considering we learn nearly everything from the people/things around us.

In truth, we really aren't our "own" thoughts. What we believe in, and how we think at this very moment have been influenced by what others have taught us from the day we were born.

[blinkers88]

They're not even YOUR beliefs, you dumbass. You never knew about them untll someone taught you. how can you take ownership of something you didnt create? You're just a carbon copy.

[Iron_Prophet]

My experience is actually going to gatherings/conjurations of this 'spirituality' practice and it being IDENTICAL in form as religion(church). And speaking to the people there, and how they just repeat and repeat everything I"VE ever read online without any new idea's themselves. They just find acceptance and comfort in each others regurgitated bull****. Then you have the science behind cults and the types of people they attract and well...it's fcken easy to start a religion now-a-days and call it what you want.


why is any form of disagreement considered TROLLING? Do you even have any insight on that type of pathology?

A scared man dismisses. A fearless man listens and tries to understand. And im not trying to change anyone. You all simply cower and attack as a group when someone has an opposing opinion because your new 'comfort' identity that shields you from your problems prior is destabilized/fragile/and questioned; and that just plain pussychit.

What gatherings/events did you go to and by what group ? Genuinely interested in your experience with them. I considered looking into groups such as this but like you thought they would be to dogmatic and stringent. The best groups or organisations are the ones that don't consider themselves a set group. I met a few farmers at a psychedelic music festival last year who described to me there gathering they have a with a group of friends who all have farms/houses in the same area. Basically they would meet up when they could and talk about life over a campfire, sometimes they would take drugs but most times they don't and they use it more like a therapy. There was no group dogma it was simply for individuals to increase there understanding, they all had different perspectives of life and by discussing them equally with others more could be learned.

So help us understand where you are coming from and what you are trying to communicate to us. If what your trying to communicate is simply that we are wrong and deluded that's fine but at least provide some fuel to your fire, using hypocritical insults and vague accusations with no context is not the way to get your message heard.

[Iron_Prophet]

how've you been since your trip to america IP? any new insights at home or synchronicity in experiences from your trip?

Been great man, old habits are dying and inspiration for new more positive habits is strong. Life is really starting to feel like a wonderful game, that feeling is staying with me more often and for longer. Excited to start university and start climbing towards my passion. Bad situations don't affect me much anymore and the ability to control my mind has gotten more adept, my disposition has lightened immensely.

Funnily enough the times I get angry and frustrated are during seemingly happy situations on the outside and when it happens it is feeling less and less like me, like a personality has suddenly been injected that isn't usually there, I have heard of negative psychic entities/constructs being drawn towards positively minded people. Usually when I would get angry I could see how I had brought it on myself or see what prior thought or action had caused the anger. These little outbursts I have started getting occasionally haven't felt like me literally, no reason when I analyze it after why I would act that way. The little outbursts feel good in a way though, like some sort of purging and we all know how good losing control feels sometimes. Everytime it has happened has felt beneficial, I have said things during those outbursts that have been needed to say, every situation it's happened I have mirrored other people back to themselves but in a negative way, really rustled some jimmies and surprised a lot of people.

I.e told one of my best friends he is exactly like his father, his father cheated on his mum and stole money from her for about 8 years. He has a girl-friend who hes been with for 3 years, when he was in America he was sleeping with tonnes of different girls I told him to tell her the truth and break up with her. He keeps it hidden but eventually she finds out through girls adding him on facebook. She said she doesn't care as long as he doesn't do it again. I basically tell my friend it's gone from dishonesty to emotional torture, his girl-friend is a very fragile/timid/sheepish and he knows that he can basically manipulate her.

[LightLifter12]

Iron prophet, its just like you said...dogma, greed, and sociopath's. Extorting 'lost' individuals w/empty promises and false hope...for money and influence over others (aka power). That's whats my grip about this stuff. The sacks of chit who exort peoples innocence and desire for belonging for their own selfish purposes to the top of the pyramid. Kinda like those "rap artists' posted above..they fall under same category, but they are not the masterminds behind it. It's the record companies who exploit new 'trends' and fuel their fire in turn for...money and influence. That's what makes me sick. Its a thin road that branches into thousands of chitty directions. And many people fall for the many trap roads which seem to multiply by the day. Its like beautiful things become saturated for exploitation and this is why we cant have nice things.jpg.

I wasn't going to respond but for the sake of discussion I will. this is the approach that you need to learn to utilize instead of insulting and putting your own beliefs on a higher pedestal. every time you enter this thread, dr decay, you seem to try and persuade us that we are wrong. you group us into the category of religion while I'm sure many of us have very different belief systems and subscribe to no formal religion. your experience with new age spirituality sounds very pessimistic and you appear to be very lost within yourself, as you take to this thread and project your own insecurities through insults and denial under a thin veil of "debating". there is no debate happening here, this is not how debating works.

I understand that you are upset when you bring your negativity in here and people appear to gang up on you but perhaps that's because you're bringing a toxic and unwelcomed mindset to the wrong place. you continually show up here with the same nonsense and pretend to not understand why people disassociate with you. as per your quote, you've done nothing here but dismiss the discussion of alternative paths to personal happiness and have made no effort to listen and understand. I do not know what happened to you in life to make you so pessimistic and hateful but don't bring that nonsense in here where it's clearly ill-received. you are free to create your own thread where you can discuss the mindset of negativity and how you're so anti-mainstream that you believe negativity is superior to happiness (as I believe you've stated in the past).

no one in here has tried to push their beiefs on you and if you've encountered this in real life, do not equate this to everyone who believes in something. as Mark Twain said, all generalizations are false including this one

You're 100% correct. Can't argue what you wrote because you're spot on.

(serious)

[supremebro]

[iTzDevo]

Iron prophet, its just like you said...dogma, greed, and sociopath's. Extorting 'lost' individuals w/empty promises and false hope...for money and influence over others (aka power). That's whats my grip about this stuff. The sacks of chit who exort peoples innocence and desire for belonging for their own selfish purposes to the top of the pyramid. Kinda like those "rap artists' posted above..they fall under same category, but they are not the masterminds behind it. It's the record companies who exploit new 'trends' and fuel their fire in turn for...money and influence. That's what makes me sick. Its a thin road that branches into thousands of chitty directions. And many people fall for the many trap roads which seem to multiply by the day. Its like beautiful things become saturated for exploitation and this is why we cant have nice things.jpg.


You're 100% correct. Can't argue what you wrote because you're spot on.

(serious)

largely I agree with your stance on organized religion (as I think most people in this thread would, seeing how we would consider ourselves perhaps spiritual but not religious) and your comments about the music industry. someone is pulling the strings behind the scenes whether it's the record label or a larger organization (for the sake of avoiding an endless, factless and pointless discussion about a well-known conspiracy theory I won't name names). I personally don't take these artists as the prophets they claim to be, I just find their lyrics intriguing because it's somewhat refreshing from the typical garbage you hear within this genre of music. I agree with you 100% that it is an exploitation of current trends to gain power and profit, but that's just big business doing what big business does best. from my point of view, there's no avoiding it as long as we remain rooted in capitalist, materialist Westernized society

one of my favorite gifs lol

[LightLifter12]

Well then...


Is there a point where meditation is pointless? I've asked this before and never found a favorable answer: I stopped meditating because all that happens is my body/muscles start tingling, my body heat increases and when I can't tolerate the tingling anymore (feels like when your leg goes numb; all over), I wake up to a puddle of sweat on my mattress feeling; feeling like a failure because I couldn't endure the sensation/pain any longer without feeling like i'm doing nervous system damage. It becomes a body thing instead of 'mind.

[Iron_Prophet]

Well then...


Is there a point where meditation is pointless? I've asked this before and never found a favorable answer: I stopped meditating because all that happens is my body/muscles start tingling, my body heat increases and when I can't tolerate the tingling anymore (feels like when your leg goes numb; all over), I wake up to a puddle of sweat on my mattress feeling; feeling like a failure because I couldn't endure the sensation/pain any longer without feeling like i'm doing nervous system damage. It becomes a body thing instead of 'mind.

Meditation is not just sitting/laying and relaxing your body, you can meditate anytime, meditation for me is simply taking a greater perspective, Making the distinction between what people refer to themselves or what I call me which is my physical body and ego that allows me to operate in the world and play the game, and the "I" that is observing the me. Me,you and the I that observes both. Meditation is simply observing from the I and realising that the me and you are both apart of the I. The I is sub-conscious until it sees itself in the mirror at which point it starts being filtered through into consciousness.

Monks and priests meditate a lot by sitting down yes but that is simply a result of there place in the game, they were born with the conditions and cognitive experience that causes them to sit down and traditionally meditate for most of the day. Thanks to the internet and globalization of information anyone with a computer can have ancient teachings and wisdom at there fingertips. In my opinion monks who sit around and meditate traditionally all day are not exactly useful at the moment, the world needs people who act and bring the sub-conscious into the physical. Why be a monk when you can be a monk and a scientist and a writer and a businessman taking the lessons and skills from each persona.

I rarely sit down in a position to meditate anymore, the best meditation sessions I find happen after situations with other-selves that cause me to see a part of myself I have never noticed before, perhaps it's a certain viewpoint I was in that suddenly didn't seam so right and clear or an event that made me feel certain emotions and think certain thoughts. Visualization and imagination and critical thinking is all well and good but everything that happens in those activities is still in potentiation, it all needs to be brought and witnessed in reality, I have found at periods where I need to act my concentration and will to meditate has suffered however after acting and seeing my thoughts realized in the now my mind is then allowed to reach those deeper levels of concentration to begin the next sub-cycle of my mind/body/spirit. That whole paragraph could really be simplified by saying think before you act. Think/act think/act think/act

[KyBrah32]

I posted this in another thread and figured id share it here too:

When I was on zoloft(SSRI) I would hallucinate a little bit after a weekend of drinking. Usually on sunday nights after drinking friday and saturday I would lay in bed in the dark and start to see dark robed figures around my room. I distinctly remember them being extremely lifelike and distinguishable in their characteristics and they way they moved around me, and occasionally one would get up in my face and just stare at me. I dont remember what the faces looked like it was a few years ago when I took meds but I remember hallowed out, dark eyes/sockets and very distinguishable facial features. Their mouths would open up like they were screaming and I can recall how weird it was laying there in dead silence and seeing so many figures around me. IT was never scary; I was more in awe of it than anything else...

I tacked it down to just hallucinating but now that I think about it could it of been some way of seeing a different plane of existence? Ive never hallucinated on anything thing so I cant compare but are things really that lifelike and realistic? ITs also intriguing that the figures were shadowy/robed and had corpse like features rather than me hallucinating/seeing something else it was just those figures, and it happened EVERY sunday after I would drink heavy over the weekend with the same robed figures around my room

[blinkers88]

I posted this in another thread and figured id share it here too:

When I was on zoloft(SSRI) I would hallucinate a little bit after a weekend of drinking. Usually on sunday nights after drinking friday and saturday I would lay in bed in the dark and start to see dark robed figures around my room. I distinctly remember them being extremely lifelike and distinguishable in their characteristics and they way they moved around me, and occasionally one would get up in my face and just stare at me. I dont remember what the faces looked like it was a few years ago when I took meds but I remember hallowed out, dark eyes/sockets and very distinguishable facial features. Their mouths would open up like they were screaming and I can recall how weird it was laying there in dead silence and seeing so many figures around me. IT was never scary; I was more in awe of it than anything else...

I tacked it down to just hallucinating but now that I think about it could it of been some way of seeing a different plane of existence? Ive never hallucinated on anything thing so I cant compare but are things really that lifelike and realistic? ITs also intriguing that the figures were shadowy/robed and had corpse like features rather than me hallucinating/seeing something else it was just those figures, and it happened EVERY sunday after I would drink heavy over the weekend with the same robed figures around my room

Sounds terrifying

[YasiinBey]

I posted this in another thread and figured id share it here too:

When I was on zoloft(SSRI) I would hallucinate a little bit after a weekend of drinking. Usually on sunday nights after drinking friday and saturday I would lay in bed in the dark and start to see dark robed figures around my room. I distinctly remember them being extremely lifelike and distinguishable in their characteristics and they way they moved around me, and occasionally one would get up in my face and just stare at me. I dont remember what the faces looked like it was a few years ago when I took meds but I remember hallowed out, dark eyes/sockets and very distinguishable facial features. Their mouths would open up like they were screaming and I can recall how weird it was laying there in dead silence and seeing so many figures around me. IT was never scary; I was more in awe of it than anything else...

I tacked it down to just hallucinating but now that I think about it could it of been some way of seeing a different plane of existence? Ive never hallucinated on anything thing so I cant compare but are things really that lifelike and realistic? ITs also intriguing that the figures were shadowy/robed and had corpse like features rather than me hallucinating/seeing something else it was just those figures, and it happened EVERY sunday after I would drink heavy over the weekend with the same robed figures around my room

man it's chit like this that makes me wonder what's really out there and beyond simple human existence

[iTzDevo]

I posted this in another thread and figured id share it here too:

When I was on zoloft(SSRI) I would hallucinate a little bit after a weekend of drinking. Usually on sunday nights after drinking friday and saturday I would lay in bed in the dark and start to see dark robed figures around my room. I distinctly remember them being extremely lifelike and distinguishable in their characteristics and they way they moved around me, and occasionally one would get up in my face and just stare at me. I dont remember what the faces looked like it was a few years ago when I took meds but I remember hallowed out, dark eyes/sockets and very distinguishable facial features. Their mouths would open up like they were screaming and I can recall how weird it was laying there in dead silence and seeing so many figures around me. IT was never scary; I was more in awe of it than anything else...

I tacked it down to just hallucinating but now that I think about it could it of been some way of seeing a different plane of existence? Ive never hallucinated on anything thing so I cant compare but are things really that lifelike and realistic? ITs also intriguing that the figures were shadowy/robed and had corpse like features rather than me hallucinating/seeing something else it was just those figures, and it happened EVERY sunday after I would drink heavy over the weekend with the same robed figures around my room

shadow people. most encounters happen around 3:44am (acclaimed witch's hour), the most common time for someone to wake up in the night. the majority of witnesses claim to see shadowy figures in the corner of their eye but some who were under the influence of hallucinogens like yourself have had encounters similar to what you described. that's some dark shi't, i'll let you look into it because i'm not going to

[Iron_Prophet]

I posted this in another thread and figured id share it here too:

When I was on zoloft(SSRI) I would hallucinate a little bit after a weekend of drinking. Usually on sunday nights after drinking friday and saturday I would lay in bed in the dark and start to see dark robed figures around my room. I distinctly remember them being extremely lifelike and distinguishable in their characteristics and they way they moved around me, and occasionally one would get up in my face and just stare at me. I dont remember what the faces looked like it was a few years ago when I took meds but I remember hallowed out, dark eyes/sockets and very distinguishable facial features. Their mouths would open up like they were screaming and I can recall how weird it was laying there in dead silence and seeing so many figures around me. IT was never scary; I was more in awe of it than anything else...

I tacked it down to just hallucinating but now that I think about it could it of been some way of seeing a different plane of existence? Ive never hallucinated on anything thing so I cant compare but are things really that lifelike and realistic? ITs also intriguing that the figures were shadowy/robed and had corpse like features rather than me hallucinating/seeing something else it was just those figures, and it happened EVERY sunday after I would drink heavy over the weekend with the same robed figures around my room

What your seeing is an archetype manifesting itself in your consciousness, particularly the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_(psychology) shadow. The hallucinations are caused by the effects of the drug heightening your dopamine levels, people commonly see these hallucinations in a half asleep state where similar affects on the brain could cause them.

Use of psychedelic drugs also usually makes one more able to see them. It's a combination of ability to focus/de-focus the eyes to a specfic spot where everything is blended in your field of vision, psychedelic drug users will notice a distinct change in there vision focus as one of the signs of the drug kicking in. Then when your dopamine levels are high when you focus you can see forms and shapes buzzing around connecting with everything, the hallucinations are created by the brain forming symbols and signs out of these forms that are iridescently like flowing in your field of vision, then merge and meld with the geometry and forms that you can see in the world if your eyes are open.

It's simply a reflection of the archetype which is influencing your life at the moment, or at least the most dominant one. This is the shadow so basically your starting to notice your ego. Your noticing the person people see you as rather then the person you see you or want to see you as. I like to think of the shadow as the real me, it's always following my ego and now it's starting to become conscious. After seeing the shadow symbol and utilizing the knowledge of what that meant and seeing evidence of that in the physical and mental world and if you can get into that state again your unconscious will give you more messages through different symbols and archetypes.