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    Originally Posted by SimonThePieman View Post
    I get berstared for doing a double of 396lbs in my gym
    396... Where did you get .4ish kg plates?

    Originally Posted by PerpetualMotion View Post
    SOJA would be god for pulling 405x5 then?
    Only 5 lb away! But no, I don't think it's worth bringing up at all. My lifts are a joke compared to most of you guys. You guys put me to shame on a regular basis. 100% serious.

    Originally Posted by Lvisaa2 View Post
    I ended up working out tonight so I bumped calories to 2k . It is amazing how full you can feel on xantham gum and protein powder. Tomorrow is a mini refeed/carb-up(probably 2.5-2.75k) so I'll have a decent amount of food in me to power me through, although high rep deads always put me on my knees(nohomo).
    You're cutting on 1,500 a day, right? I bought a small container of xantham last July and I've still got a ton of it. 1/8th of a teaspoon goes a long way.
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    Originally Posted by PerpetualMotion View Post
    SOJA would be god for pulling 405x5 then?
    Actually, I'm god for squatting 215x5 yesterday lol. Too many pencil legs gawking haha
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    Originally Posted by snrygo View Post
    Actually, I'm god for squatting 215x5 yesterday lol. Too many pencil legs gawking haha
    If we adjusted your height and weight to mine, so about 5'9 and ATM 172 lb, your stats would still be higher than mine for the big 3. I am suffering on the bench and I can't figure out why. You're strong for your age, height and weight. I better see you on stage in 2 years, phaggot.
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    Originally Posted by SOJA View Post
    You're cutting on 1,500 a day, right? I bought a small container of xantham last July and I've still got a ton of it. 1/8th of a teaspoon goes a long way.
    It varies, but on non-workout days it is from 1200-1500, on workout days 1.5-2, and refeed on 2.5-3. I had 5 tbsp of xantham today, thickest(or gummiest) shakes ever. For calories, I run somewhat on feel, I try to go lower, but if it gets late and I need a little bump then my deficit is large enough that I can down a shake and still be running a large deficit.
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    Originally Posted by Lvisaa2 View Post
    It varies, but on non-workout days it is from 1200-1500, on workout days 1.5-2, and refeed on 2.5-3. I had 5 tbsp of xantham today, thickest(or gummiest) shakes ever. For calories, I run somewhat on feel, I try to go lower, but if it gets late and I need a little bump then my deficit is large enough that I can down a shake and still be running a large deficit.
    Poor man's casein. Yeah I hear you. I ran 1,500 the first 3 or 4 months of my cut in 2011 until I started adding daily activity in, and then I went to 1,800 and the low 2,000s mark. 1,500 was hell for me, and the hunger I feel these days is worse than then. Nothing sucks more than waking up at 4-5 AM because your body wants food.
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    Originally Posted by SOJA View Post
    If we adjusted your height and weight to mine, so about 5'9 and ATM 172 lb, your stats would still be higher than mine for the big 3. I am suffering on the bench and I can't figure out why. You're strong for your age, height and weight. I better see you on stage in 2 years, phaggot.
    What's your bench/squat? (For 1)
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    Originally Posted by PerpetualHeaven View Post
    What's your bench/squat? (For 1)
    No clue. I'd have to use a calculator to convert my current estimated 5 RM based on what I'm doing and give you the 1 RM. Those are bull**** though.
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    Originally Posted by SOJA View Post
    No clue. I'd have to use a calculator to convert my current estimated 5 RM based on what I'm doing and give you the 1 RM. Those are bull**** though.
    Yeah, for sure. What's your 5rm then? I know my bench is complete and utter **** (not that any of my lifts are good).

    Have you considered everything in the bench to find your weakness?
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    Originally Posted by SOJA View Post
    If we adjusted your height and weight to mine, so about 5'9 and ATM 172 lb, your stats would still be higher than mine for the big 3. I am suffering on the bench and I can't figure out why. You're strong for your age, height and weight. I better see you on stage in 2 years, phaggot.
    My legs are the only thing that are gonna save my total at my meet in may lol. My paused bench if he surprised if I do 160 at the meet haha.

    Squat I'm shooting for at least 260 and the same for dead tho I might be able to get it higher due to not having the cumulative fatigue of 3 sets of squats beforehand (only one big ass rep )

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    Originally Posted by PerpetualHeaven View Post
    Yeah, for sure. What's your 5rm then? I know my bench is complete and utter **** (not that any of my lifts are good).

    Have you considered everything in the bench to find your weakness?
    Mid low 200s for bench and mid low to mid 300s for squat. Giving a number is useless because I rest the numbers 40% lower when I started the program so I wouldn't stall out.

    Lockout was difficult. The lockout on my OHP showed issues in the last few sessions. I'd have a bad squat day but the session before last I killed every rep. The only thing I could blame the bench for yesterday on was that I lost tightness in my back and I went away from the path I was leading the bar. I feel like calories are the issue. I keep going from 2650 to 2850 and back again based on the scale. Or it could be the program telling me I was an idiot for choosing it for rehab. Though the calories seem to be the issue because I had numbers higher on my cut. If hopping to 3-3.1K yesterday and today doesn't help tomorrow I'm going to be very discouraged from moving on. Nothing is more depressing to me than failing at anything. It eats me alive. I kept having weird dreams last night where I failed and failed again in lifts with some woman laughing at me. srs.

    Originally Posted by snrygo View Post
    My legs are the only thing that are gonna save my total at my meet in may lol. My paused bench if he surprised if I do 160 at the meet haha.

    Squat I'm shooting for at least 260 and the same for dead tho I might be able to get it higher due to not having the cumulative fatigue of 3 sets of squats beforehand (only one big ass rep )

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    Originally Posted by SOJA View Post
    Mid low 200s for bench and mid low to mid 300s for squat. Giving a number is useless because I rest the numbers 40% lower when I started the program so I wouldn't stall out.

    Lockout was difficult. The lockout on my OHP showed issues in the last few sessions. I'd have a bad squat day but the session before last I killed every rep. The only thing I could blame the bench for yesterday on was that I lost tightness in my back and I went away from the path I was leading the bar.
    Lockout is difficult for you? Have you tried doing CGBP to try and balance it? Some additional work for your tris? Your OHP has issues? Perhaps your delts are lagging behind then? What do you OHP?

    Also, on squats, do you squat wide or narrow? Have you ever tried a new stance? Maybe you would be better off wide if you normally squat narrow, or vice-versa.

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    Originally Posted by PerpetualHeaven View Post
    Lockout is difficult for you? Have you tried doing CGBP to try and balance it? Some additional work for your tris? Your OHP has issues? Perhaps your delts are lagging behind then? What do you OHP?

    Also, on squats, do you squat wide or narrow? Have you ever tried a new stance? Maybe you would be better off wide if you normally squat narrow, or vice-versa.

    This is all just speculation, btw.
    I don't do any of the fancy bench stuff. I don't work my tris except for bench. Rear delt is lagging but that's normal. I switched to low bar squatting the other day and it felt great. I failed on the squats because my PC was shot, according to your brother. All issues lead back to food. Just going to the gym and back by foot burns around 140 Kcal (*3) and I estimate my lifting sessions only burn around 120 kcal (*3). I'm being liberal with those numbers but I just assume 2650 is enough for me. I spend most of my day sitting and I don't do sports. I squat wideish, too wide and I have issues going deep. Squatting too narrow and my abdomen gets in the way and acts as a box by absorbing whatever flexor energy I have to spring back up. My hesitancy to put on a lot of fat is slim, I just don't want to spend a ton of time cutting.
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    lol, this. Everyone would stop EVERYTHING and stare. You could then proceed to pick any woman you wanted right there.
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    Originally Posted by PerpetualHeaven View Post
    Lockout is difficult for you? Have you tried doing CGBP to try and balance it? Some additional work for your tris? Your OHP has issues? Perhaps your delts are lagging behind then? What do you OHP?

    Also, on squats, do you squat wide or narrow? Have you ever tried a new stance? Maybe you would be better off wide if you normally squat narrow, or vice-versa.

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    Originally Posted by SOJA View Post
    I don't do any of the fancy bench stuff. I don't work my tris except for bench. Rear delt is lagging but that's normal. I switched to low bar squatting the other day and it felt great. I failed on the squats because my PC was shot, according to your brother. All issues lead back to food. Just going to the gym and back by foot burns around 140 Kcal (*3) and I estimate my lifting sessions only burn around 120 kcal (*3). I'm being liberal with those numbers but I just assume 2650 is enough for me. I spend most of my day sitting and I don't do sports. I squat wideish, too wide and I have issues going deep. Squatting too narrow and my abdomen gets in the way and acts as a box by absorbing whatever flexor energy I have to spring back up. My hesitancy to put on a lot of fat is slim, I just don't want to spend a ton of time cutting.
    Even if it's maintenance, it wouldn't completely destroy your lifts. There are a fair amount of people who cut and still gain strength, or at least maintain it.

    Have you ever tried a different routine? Perhaps one that you could slightly alter (I'm not an advocate of massive changes to programs). I just think it's worth looking into your weaknesses, because as you get stronger and stronger, they'll remain weak. For someone who is relatively weak, there's never really a need to alter a program, but I'm pretty sure you're past that stage. If my brother wasn't such a sack of dookie and was still awake, I would get him to come comment and give his opinion. I'll tell him to drop in tomorrow.

    I would be weary about squatting wide, as you may get hip pains pretty soon (in your TFL). After a few months of it, mine flared up. I'll say this, it's not pleasant. I've decided to squat narrow for warm-ups, then switch to wide on work sets. Are your macronutrients being met?

    As for your PC being shot, I find it hard to believe that it would be to the point where 135x4 felt like a struggle when you're 5 repping in the low-mid 300s. I could see maybe 50lbs coming off your squat, even 80, but 200lbs and one rep seem a bit drastic. How did you feel after the DLs? Was your entire PC obliterated to the point where moving was a struggle?

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    I tell him to do CGBP but he no listen!



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    Well, it's not even CGBP that he should be doing. If his triceps are lacking, then keeping it strictly to supplemental tri work could yield beneficial results. 8 reps on dips, cgbp, whatever tri work you want to do. If it's your delts, it could possibly be your anterior deltoids, because I know those play a large portion in the bench. Do you ever DB press?

    These are all useless questions, let me just ask a good one. Are you on 5x5, 5x3, or whatever variation? If so, then I can see why you would be hesitant to alter it at all.
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    Protein and fat macros get met. CHO varies. My PC was shot because I ran 4 warm up sets of deadlift then pulled 400 for 5. Then I went to squat. The 2nd to last time I benched, it was easy. It's an off and on thing, not a continuous issue. Your brother already commented on this, he told me not deadlift and then squat. The deadlifts felt fine. The first squat was fine, the 2nd was problematic. I did the deadlifts, waited maybe 2 minutes and started my squat warmups, Waited 5 minutes before starting my working sets. It's a modified 3x5. I can't think of anything to change to. It's simple and it's gotten the job done so far. I'm not the only one who's used it for this reason. I'm not bothered by 2 bad sessions out of 24 for an 8 week cycle. I just want to know WTF is causing this issue to flare up. I don't do dumbbells anymore. Front and middle delts are fine. I'm just going to eat 3K for this week and next week. If I breeze through the lifts like I usually do, then it was the food. I'd also save time by no doing so many unnecessary lifts.
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    Imagine how many more reps Doug could do if he took celltech
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    I want 405 x 20 bad. Maybe once I get to train at a real gym with real plates and bars. The last time I tried it I got to 13 and the weights began to slide off one side.

    I want to squat 225 x 30+ as well. Maybe 315 x 20.
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    Well I didn't end up trying. 6/7th sets were 545 and felt easy so I wanted to see how 555 felt and even with short rest it felt good. After that, I decided due to time constraints and another 30 sets to go that it would be better on another day
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    Originally Posted by PerpetualMotion View Post
    SOJA would be god for pulling 405x5 then?
    I'd be impressed at his weight. Before I herniated a disc in my back, I hit 405X5 several workouts in a row weighing 175. But they were SLDL (with a real "dead" aspect to them and not touch and go like Doug). Doug is a beast for sure and whenever my back recovers, I will give some of these high rep touch and go deads a try (at much lower weight for 30!)
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    For what it's worth, I would be impressed if I could pull my recent pull for more than 7 reps. I set the weight down and take 10-25 seconds to reset my form. So each succeeding pull feels a little heavier. I weigh in at about 171-174, IIRC. I'm not a freak of nature with amazing strength at low body weight. I almost blacked out after pulling 400x5 on Monday.
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    Originally Posted by SOJA View Post
    For what it's worth, I would be impressed if I could pull my recent pull for more than 7 reps. I set the weight down and take 10-25 seconds to reset my form. So each succeeding pull feels a little heavier. I weigh in at about 171-174, IIRC. I'm not a freak of nature with amazing strength at low body weight. I almost blacked out after pulling 400x5 on Monday.
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    Originally Posted by jak3e1992 View Post
    Inb4 a blacked out SOJA
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    Originally Posted by SOJA View Post
    For what it's worth, I would be impressed if I could pull my recent pull for more than 7 reps. I set the weight down and take 10-25 seconds to reset my form. So each succeeding pull feels a little heavier. I weigh in at about 171-174, IIRC. I'm not a freak of nature with amazing strength at low body weight. I almost blacked out after pulling 400x5 on Monday.
    Don't you think 10-25 seconds is a bit long? I understand resetting your form and not wanting to "touch-and-go", but 10-25 seconds is pretty damn long. That would mean it takes you a minimum of 40 seconds to complete a set, and a maximum of 1 minute and 40 seconds to complete a set.
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    Originally Posted by SimonThePieman View Post
    I get berstared for doing a double of 396lbs in my gym
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    Originally Posted by PerpetualHeaven View Post
    Don't you think 10-25 seconds is a bit long? I understand resetting your form and not wanting to "touch-and-go", but 10-25 seconds is pretty damn long. That would mean it takes you a minimum of 40 seconds to complete a set, and a maximum of 1 minute and 40 seconds to complete a set.
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