So I have gone through an entire bottle of Primaforce Yohimbine HCL...nothing!

[majorchamp]

I read a bunch of reviews how Yohimbine is supposed to help with fat loss and sexual stamina....

I started at 2.5mg and felt no effects. Worked my way up to today where I am taking 12.5mg on my first dose, and I will add another 7.5 - 10mg later.

I am about 163lb. Even at those doses, I am not feeling jack squat. Not much in terms of heart racing, nervousness, etc... and damn sure nothing in the libido department. whats going on?

I've almost gone through this bottle in roughly 2 1/2 weeks.

[Jonbero]

Did you take it on an empty stomach?

[naturalguy]

You may not "feel" anything. I don't feel anything on high doses of Yohimbine either but it does help with fat loss

[majorchamp]

Absolutely. I am doing the lean gains process so i am fasting for 16 hours. So i have 4 hours to go on my fast by the time i ingest it.

[supermant11]

Absolutely. I am doing the lean gains process so i am fasting for 16 hours. So i have 4 hours to go on my fast by the time i ingest it.

You try baby spider monkey semen or no? Why you fasting bro?

[majorchamp]

You try baby spider monkey semen or no? Why you fasting bro?

Just trying something new. Leangains.com focusing on maintaining lean muscle while burning fat. Its been working for me.

[Valhallabound86]

I read a bunch of reviews how Yohimbine is supposed to help with fat loss and sexual stamina....

I started at 2.5mg and felt no effects. Worked my way up to today where I am taking 12.5mg on my first dose, and I will add another 7.5 - 10mg later.

I am about 163lb. Even at those doses, I am not feeling jack squat. Not much in terms of heart racing, nervousness, etc... and damn sure nothing in the libido department. whats going on?

I've almost gone through this bottle in roughly 2 1/2 weeks.

If you want heart racing/nervous with libido increase, try caffeine/DMAA and tribulus.

Not sure why you would want said effects (excluding libido), but that should do the trick. You may be caffeine tolerant which would minimize the sides while maintaining the effect.

[supermant11]

Just trying something new. Leangains.com focusing on maintaining lean muscle while burning fat. Its been working for me.

I can tell you fasting for more than half the day is not healthy at all. The ONLY effective and safe diet out there is Weight Watchers. I'm not promoting it by any means, but it's all about portion control and eating the right things to lean out. Fasting can have very negative effects on your body and health etc.

People used to think, in the biblical sense that fasting "gave your body a rest". But from what? If you eat healthy you're not putting any unwanted stress on your ole tum tum. But just my 4 1/2 cents. Do what you want

[Valhallabound86]

I can tell you fasting for more than half the day is not healthy at all. The ONLY effective and safe diet out there is Weight Watchers. I'm not promoting it by any means, but it's all about portion control and eating the right things to lean out. Fasting can have very negative effects on your body and health etc.

That's not accurate, but I would like to see the basis for this information. Folks doing intermittent fasting may have a bone to pick with you.

[supermant11]

That's not accurate, but I would like to see the basis for this information. Folks doing intermittent fasting may have a bone to pick with you.

standby, allow me to cite my sources.

[supermant11]

Test done After fasting only 10 to 12 hours, the body starts using stored glucose, then begins to break down protein, said Dr. Mark DeMeao, assistant professor of medicine and associate director of nutrition at Loyola University Medical Center. "I don't know of any positive effects of fasting. I don't recommend it."

Breaking down any form of protein in ones body is not good and you don't want your body to start using it's stored energy source. This will also throw your metabolism and internal clock catiwhompus.

After asking several nutrional professionals and doctors here is the verdict..

Roll call for Weight Loss
Among his "good reasons for fasting," Paul Wenner did not include it as a weight-loss plan. To the contrary, he noted that many persons fasting for three days report actual gains, because the body "thinks" it's entering a famine and defends itself by slowing the metabolism, thus conserving calories.

"All our resource persons, however, did speak to the question: Should I fast to lose weight? The roll call... "

Ms. Sommerfeld -- No
Dr. Vash -- No
Mr. Wenner -- No
Ms. Hogan -- No
Ms. Somer -- No
Dr. Rakowski -- No
Dr. DeMaeo -- No
Dr. Wellman -- No

Fasting even for short periods of time can damage and even deplete your immune system, damage your digestions system etc. But again what do a bunch of Docs know.

[Valhallabound86]

Test done After fasting only 10 to 12 hours, the body starts using stored glucose, then begins to break down protein, said Dr. Mark DeMeao, assistant professor of medicine and associate director of nutrition at Loyola University Medical Center. "I don't know of any positive effects of fasting. I don't recommend it."

Breaking down any form of protein in ones body is not good and you don't want your body to start using it's stored energy source. This will also throw your metabolism and internal clock catiwhompus.

After asking several nutrional professionals and doctors here is the verdict..

Roll call for Weight Loss
Among his "good reasons for fasting," Paul Wenner did not include it as a weight-loss plan. To the contrary, he noted that many persons fasting for three days report actual gains, because the body "thinks" it's entering a famine and defends itself by slowing the metabolism, thus conserving calories.

"All our resource persons, however, did speak to the question: Should I fast to lose weight? The roll call... "

Ms. Sommerfeld -- No
Dr. Vash -- No
Mr. Wenner -- No
Ms. Hogan -- No
Ms. Somer -- No
Dr. Rakowski -- No
Dr. DeMaeo -- No
Dr. Wellman -- No

Fasting even for short periods of time can damage and even deplete your immune system, damage your digestions system etc. But again what do a bunch of Docs know.

Who are these people?

My primary care physician also told me that creatine was detrimental to my health, so I don't take the advice of Doctor's at face value. The body is calorically getting enough per day, it's only the timing that is changing.

If you have a link to their pubmed articles I'll be glad to take a look.

[The_Metal]

Test done After fasting only 10 to 12 hours, the body starts using stored glucose, then begins to break down protein, said Dr. Mark DeMeao, assistant professor of medicine and associate director of nutrition at Loyola University Medical Center. "I don't know of any positive effects of fasting. I don't recommend it."

Breaking down any form of protein in ones body is not good and you don't want your body to start using it's stored energy source. This will also throw your metabolism and internal clock catiwhompus.

After asking several nutrional professionals and doctors here is the verdict..

Roll call for Weight Loss
Among his "good reasons for fasting," Paul Wenner did not include it as a weight-loss plan. To the contrary, he noted that many persons fasting for three days report actual gains, because the body "thinks" it's entering a famine and defends itself by slowing the metabolism, thus conserving calories.

"All our resource persons, however, did speak to the question: Should I fast to lose weight? The roll call... "

Ms. Sommerfeld -- No
Dr. Vash -- No
Mr. Wenner -- No
Ms. Hogan -- No
Ms. Somer -- No
Dr. Rakowski -- No
Dr. DeMaeo -- No
Dr. Wellman -- No

Fasting even for short periods of time can damage and even deplete your immune system, damage your digestions system etc. But again what do a bunch of Docs know.

Fasting can actually be good for your cardiovascular system. It raises your metabolism if you do short sessions as well.

http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top...-debunked.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17413096
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19164831
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17909674
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21410865
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12782234
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21475137
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ajcn.org/content/81/1/69....e2=tf_ipsecsha
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10837292

I have more as well.

[naturalguy]

The whole IF debate is silly in my opinion. There is more than one way to skin a cat and everyone responds differently. There is no "one way" to diet, if something works for you then do it, if not ditch it.

It's not for me personally but if someone else wants to do it then go for it. You don't need studies to tell you if something works, you have to actually apply things in the real world and see how YOU react.

[Valhallabound86]

The whole IF debate is silly in my opinion. There is more than one way to skin a cat and everyone responds differently. There is no "one way" to diet, if something works for you then do it, if not ditch it.

It's not for me personally but if someone else wants to do it then go for it. You don't need studies to tell you if something works, you have to actually apply things in the real world and see how YOU react.

Agreed. The idiosyncratic differences in types of dieting eclipses the larger overall goal, which is daily caloric intake. Either way, if you reduce your calories by 10-20% per day, you should lose weight. Whether that be in 1-2 meals or 6-8, shouldn't matter in the long run.

My only issue is calling one method "bad", providing off-the-cuff evidence from folks with a medical degree and claiming it to be valid.

IF isn't my style either, not sure how folks do it.

[HydroShake]

IF isn't my style either, not sure how folks do it.

i only use it for cutting. it's quite easy once you get into it. plus it saves a lot of time on food preparation.

eat from 2pm-10pm.
i don't have much of an appetite in the morning. i can sleep-in an extra 10-15 minutes because i don't have to make breakfast. i don't train fasted like IF recommends. it just doesn't make sense to me even if there are positive studies.

[justfive]

Test done After fasting only 10 to 12 hours, the body starts using stored glucose, then begins to break down protein, said Dr. Mark DeMeao, assistant professor of medicine and associate director of nutrition at Loyola University Medical Center. "I don't know of any positive effects of fasting. I don't recommend it."

Breaking down any form of protein in ones body is not good and you don't want your body to start using it's stored energy source. This will also throw your metabolism and internal clock catiwhompus.

After asking several nutrional professionals and doctors here is the verdict..

Roll call for Weight Loss
Among his "good reasons for fasting," Paul Wenner did not include it as a weight-loss plan. To the contrary, he noted that many persons fasting for three days report actual gains, because the body "thinks" it's entering a famine and defends itself by slowing the metabolism, thus conserving calories.

"All our resource persons, however, did speak to the question: Should I fast to lose weight? The roll call... "

Ms. Sommerfeld -- No
Dr. Vash -- No
Mr. Wenner -- No
Ms. Hogan -- No
Ms. Somer -- No
Dr. Rakowski -- No
Dr. DeMaeo -- No
Dr. Wellman -- No

Fasting even for short periods of time can damage and even deplete your immune system, damage your digestions system etc. But again what do a bunch of Docs know.

what is this jibberjabber? Is this an attempt at backing up your arguments that fasting is dangerous?

if so, then stop your jibberjabber because we all know that Dr. Wellman is a crossdresser

[majorchamp]

well I am going on close to 50 days of LeanGains Intermittent fasting...where I fast for 16 hours, eat in an 8 hour window...and I can honestly tell you my workouts are more efficient, I feel stronger, I am continueing to make solid strength and size gains, and I visually see my body fast dropping.

Unhealthy? I disagree. The only change LeanGains has me doing is skipping breakfast, and that is it. I stop eating at 9pm at night, and I eat my first meal at 1pm. Oh noes....not eating breakfast is going to break this and that down..and I am going to wilt away!!!!


btw, yes I do think I am caffeine tolerant and I definitely don't want any of those side effects...just based on all the research I have read...it sounded like I should have been feeling something at those levels I was taking. I was honestly expecting something in the libido department and that wasn't even the main reason for taking it...but again...nada, nothing, zilch.

[Valhallabound86]

i only use it for cutting. it's quite easy once you get into it. plus it saves a lot of time on food preparation.

eat from 2pm-10pm.
i don't have much of an appetite in the morning. i can sleep-in an extra 10-15 minutes because i don't have to make breakfast. i don't train fasted like IF recommends. it just doesn't make sense to me even if there are positive studies.

My body is used to carbs in the morning, or some form of food just to get me through. I used to do IF (somewhat) during college, but I ate late at night and skipped breakfast, then ate lunch around 1 or so. Still gained a pile of weight, though the excessive drinking probably aided with that

I'm still the 3 meals a day kinda guy, potentially 4 if you include a protein shake. I definitely see the draws to IF for some, especially if your schedule allows it.

[ticklemeelbow]

Can't believe you had no sexual boners.

[rhadam]

I can tell you fasting for more than half the day is not healthy at all. The ONLY effective and safe diet out there is Weight Watchers. I'm not promoting it by any means, but it's all about portion control and eating the right things to lean out. Fasting can have very negative effects on your body and health etc.

People used to think, in the biblical sense that fasting "gave your body a rest". But from what? If you eat healthy you're not putting any unwanted stress on your ole tum tum. But just my 4 1/2 cents. Do what you want

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Hansolo261]

My dad fasts. He basically just goes vegan for the fasting period, still takes his vitamins etc. It works well for him.

On the yohimbie tip. Fuk yohombie. I remeber I popped some I ended up with heart racing, nausea, puking, headache. I seriously almost went to the emergency room

[DASBUNKER]

I read a bunch of reviews how Yohimbine is supposed to help with fat loss and sexual stamina....

I started at 2.5mg and felt no effects. Worked my way up to today where I am taking 12.5mg on my first dose, and I will add another 7.5 - 10mg later.

I am about 163lb. Even at those doses, I am not feeling jack squat. Not much in terms of heart racing, nervousness, etc... and damn sure nothing in the libido department. whats going on?

I've almost gone through this bottle in roughly 2 1/2 weeks.

Everybody responds different to supplements, as said the fact that you're not getting side effects or noticeable libido boost doesn't mean its not working, In my experience at <15mg doses libido effects take a bit longer to kick in.

[Swedeheart]

I read a bunch of reviews how Yohimbine is supposed to help with fat loss and sexual stamina....

I started at 2.5mg and felt no effects. Worked my way up to today where I am taking 12.5mg on my first dose, and I will add another 7.5 - 10mg later.

I am about 163lb. Even at those doses, I am not feeling jack squat. Not much in terms of heart racing, nervousness, etc... and damn sure nothing in the libido department. whats going on?

I've almost gone through this bottle in roughly 2 1/2 weeks.

Its not viagra man lol. It can help increase blood flood to that area, but not everyone responds the same.

You should be happy you aren't experiencing heart racing and feeling nervous. Some people get that, some dont.

I never have noticed the effects noted above and nothing in terms of sexual increase. Then again, if you wanted to notice that, it would be wise to dose it pre-sexual activity to see if the vasodilation helps then.

Trust me tho, Ive gone up to 7-8 caps pre cardio without feeling the above. The fat loss was very evident tho. Just because you arent getting those sides doesnt mean its not working. Ive gotten my leanest by far when using yohimbine pre cardio.

[majorchamp]

Its not viagra man lol. It can help increase blood flood to that area, but not everyone responds the same.

You should be happy you aren't experiencing heart racing and feeling nervous. Some people get that, some dont.

I never have noticed the effects noted above and nothing in terms of sexual increase. Then again, if you wanted to notice that, it would be wise to dose it pre-sexual activity to see if the vasodilation helps then.

Trust me tho, Ive gone up to 7-8 caps pre cardio without feeling the above. The fat loss was very evident tho. Just because you arent getting those sides doesnt mean its not working. Ive gotten my leanest by far when using yohimbine pre cardio.

it was a 90 cap bottle...you suggest I go for another? In terms of fat loss...I don't know if I noticed anything.

My weight hasn't fluctuated in like 3 months lol. I am about 40 days on Lean gains, and 2-3 weeks on the Yohimbine. I have gotten stronger and feel bigger, so I am doing some fat loss / lean muscle gain trade off. I can very faintly see my abs in the mirror, under a good light.

So bottle #2 then?

[ajerone]

What does Doctor Van Nostrum have to say on the issue?

[Valhallabound86]

it was a 90 cap bottle...you suggest I go for another? In terms of fat loss...I don't know if I noticed anything.

My weight hasn't fluctuated in like 3 months lol. I am about 40 days on Lean gains, and 2-3 weeks on the Yohimbine. I have gotten stronger and feel bigger, so I am doing some fat loss / lean muscle gain trade off. I can very faintly see my abs in the mirror, under a good light.

So bottle #2 then?

Honestly, it's really cheap. And the studies/effects to my knowledge are quite nice. I'm not sure of the alpha-yohimbine vs. yohimbine differences (if any), but it was suggested that it impacts fat loss. For me, AlphaBurn will be the next purchase to hop on board, and hopefully skirt any chance of negative yohimbine effects.

I'd say go for it if you can handle the straight Y.

[Big.Jazayrli]

I can tell you fasting for more than half the day is not healthy at all. The ONLY effective and safe diet out there is Weight Watchers. I'm not promoting it by any means, but it's all about portion control and eating the right things to lean out. Fasting can have very negative effects on your body and health etc.

People used to think, in the biblical sense that fasting "gave your body a rest". But from what? If you eat healthy you're not putting any unwanted stress on your ole tum tum. But just my 4 1/2 cents. Do what you want

^^ lol this has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever ead

@OP - no jitters/anxiety doesn't mean it isn't working. No fat loss if you're using it while fasted means it isn't working.

OR it means that your calories are too high and your fat loss has stalled

[madbenchman]

I read a bunch of reviews how Yohimbine is supposed to help with fat loss and sexual stamina....

I started at 2.5mg and felt no effects. Worked my way up to today where I am taking 12.5mg on my first dose, and I will add another 7.5 - 10mg later.

I am about 163lb. Even at those doses, I am not feeling jack squat. Not much in terms of heart racing, nervousness, etc... and damn sure nothing in the libido department. whats going on?

I've almost gone through this bottle in roughly 2 1/2 weeks.

for boost in the "libido department" try taking testojack, TestRush, or 200 mg of Tonkat Ali

[DASBUNKER]

it was a 90 cap bottle...you suggest I go for another? In terms of fat loss...I don't know if I noticed anything.

My weight hasn't fluctuated in like 3 months lol. I am about 40 days on Lean gains, and 2-3 weeks on the Yohimbine. I have gotten stronger and feel bigger, so I am doing some fat loss / lean muscle gain trade off. I can very faintly see my abs in the mirror, under a good light.

So bottle #2 then?

You might also wanna look into your diet/training if its been 3 months and haven't noticed fat loss difference, even on IF losing fat and gaining muscle isn't easy.

I like the enhanced effects of fat loss with yohimbine, while on a calorie deficit, also have noticed increased blood flow down there lol. its also best taken on an empty stomach pre-cardio