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    Stossel begged Fox to hire him

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    Interesting. I love Stossel, he's the only one I can think of on Fox whom I can stand.

    "why did you leave abc?" Stossel: "because it sucked there". lol the dude is straightforward and has my respect for sure
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    Stossel is a quality journalist. It's no surprise why he left that left-wing ABC garbage network.

    brb claiming to be unbiased while hiring a former Clinton staffer as your chief political reporter.
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    Govt can't solve all of your problems?

    Like someone claimed it can?

    Hey Stossel why don't you ever show an example of your unchecked free market capitalism prospering?

    Why don't you ever talk about Chile the utterly failed free market capitalism experiment?
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    Originally Posted by FreeReport View Post
    Govt can't solve all of your problems?

    Like someone claimed it can?

    Hey Stossel why don't you ever show an example of your unchecked free market capitalism prospering?

    Why don't you ever talk about Chile the utterly failed free market capitalism experiment?
    Government sure seems to claim it can -- look at all these new laws.
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    "When people used to ask me, 'Why don't you go to Fox?' " Stossel says, "I used to say, 'Well, on 20/20 I get 15 million people watching and Fox gets under a million.' But that was years ago. By the time I left, 20/20 was down to five million, and a Fox leader like O'Reilly, on his best night, is close to that. And Fox does issues all the time on things I want to focus on, issues of economic liberty."

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    He's losing valuable revenue by not using the catchphrase "Johnny Stossel the Biggy Bossel", does anyone have his contact info
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    Originally Posted by watertoy View Post
    "When people used to ask me, 'Why don't you go to Fox?' " Stossel says, "I used to say, 'Well, on 20/20 I get 15 million people watching and Fox gets under a million.' But that was years ago. By the time I left, 20/20 was down to five million, and a Fox leader like O'Reilly, on his best night, is close to that. And Fox does issues all the time on things I want to focus on, issues of economic liberty."

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    Originally Posted by FreeReport View Post
    Govt can't solve all of your problems?

    Like someone claimed it can?

    Hey Stossel why don't you ever show an example of your unchecked free market capitalism prospering?

    Why don't you ever talk about Chile the utterly failed free market capitalism experiment?
    1) Politicians do it all the time.

    2) There aren't any true free-market capitalist economies. I think Hong Kong is pretty close, and maybe a couple others. You might jump on Somalia as an example of capitalism failing, but there is no law and order in Somalia. You may then jump to the conclusion that that supports your position, but there's a difference between a government maintaining order among its citizens so that capitalism can thrive and a government regulating the economy.

    3) Why don't you educate all of us on how Chile is an example of how capitalism is an utter failure? You can even extoll the virtues of your prefered economic system.

    Here's Stossel's "No They Can't" special for everyone to enjoy:





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    Originally Posted by JB05 View Post
    Stossel is a quality journalist. It's no surprise why he left that left-wing ABC garbage network.

    brb claiming to be unbiased while hiring a former Clinton staffer as your chief political reporter.
    He leaves a left leaning network to join the most biased right wing network, which is totally cool

    Your bias isn't showing at all
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    Originally Posted by HELIX35 View Post
    He leaves a left leaning network to join the only right leaning network, which is totally cool
    Fixed.
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    Originally Posted by llcoolray3000 View Post
    Fixed.
    Lol "only".

    If you define "conservative" as being mouth-breathing racist anarchists, sure. The rest of us define it as wishing to maintain the historical status quo, and I sure as hell don't see network news whispering a word against our owners.

    Let's all read the wonderful "Obama's Hip-hop BBQ Won't Create Jobs" article:

    http://nation.foxnews.com/president-...ile-rome-burns

    I don't know what's more awful. That it's "hip hop" because a few people there were tan, or that there was extremely little actual hip-hop involved. Or that the man can't take a piss without being criticized.

    Like the teleprompters. Everyone uses a teleprompter. There isn't any reason to talk about the teleprompter. There's only one reason I can think of that they'd bring this up. Is it because he's black, and it's a way of implying "derp dur They's too dumb to give speech without a script."
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    Originally Posted by FreeReport View Post
    Govt can't solve all of your problems?

    Like someone claimed it can?

    Hey Stossel why don't you ever show an example of your unchecked free market capitalism prospering?

    Why don't you ever talk about Chile the utterly failed free market capitalism experiment?
    Hi red,

    Free markets always create prosperity. Sorry that bothers you. Welp, back to reading your manifesto.
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    Originally Posted by IronRooster2 View Post
    Lol "only".

    If you define "conservative" as being mouth-breathing racist anarchists, sure. The rest of us define it as wishing to maintain the historical status quo, and I sure as hell don't see network news whispering a word against our owners.

    Let's all read the wonderful "Obama's Hip-hop BBQ Won't Create Jobs" article:

    http://nation.foxnews.com/president-...ile-rome-burns

    I don't know what's more awful. That it's "hip hop" because a few people there were tan, or that there was extremely little actual hip-hop involved. Or that the man can't take a piss without being criticized.

    Like the teleprompters. Everyone uses a teleprompter. There isn't any reason to talk about the teleprompter. There's only one reason I can think of that they'd bring this up. Is it because he's black, and it's a way of implying "derp dur They's too dumb to give speech without a script."
    What are the other right leaning news networks?
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    Originally Posted by IronRooster2 View Post
    Lol "only".

    If you define "conservative" as being mouth-breathing racist anarchists, sure. The rest of us define it as wishing to maintain the historical status quo, and I sure as hell don't see network news whispering a word against our owners.

    Let's all read the wonderful "Obama's Hip-hop BBQ Won't Create Jobs" article:

    http://nation.foxnews.com/president-...ile-rome-burns

    I don't know what's more awful. That it's "hip hop" because a few people there were tan, or that there was extremely little actual hip-hop involved. Or that the man can't take a piss without being criticized.

    Like the teleprompters. Everyone uses a teleprompter. There isn't any reason to talk about the teleprompter. There's only one reason I can think of that they'd bring this up. Is it because he's black, and it's a way of implying "derp dur They's too dumb to give speech without a script."
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    Originally Posted by IronRooster2 View Post
    Lol "only".

    If you define "conservative" as being mouth-breathing racist anarchists, sure. The rest of us define it as wishing to maintain the historical status quo, and I sure as hell don't see network news whispering a word against our owners.

    Let's all read the wonderful "Obama's Hip-hop BBQ Won't Create Jobs" article:

    http://nation.foxnews.com/president-...ile-rome-burns

    I don't know what's more awful. That it's "hip hop" because a few people there were tan, or that there was extremely little actual hip-hop involved. Or that the man can't take a piss without being criticized.

    Like the teleprompters. Everyone uses a teleprompter. There isn't any reason to talk about the teleprompter. There's only one reason I can think of that they'd bring this up. Is it because he's black, and it's a way of implying "derp dur They's too dumb to give speech without a script."
    Yea, I know. It's pretty outrageous and racist to criticize the President for failing to keep his promises to the American people.

    Just because Obama SAID he was going to focus like a laser on jobs, then wastes his time with some nonsense barbecue while California burns billions in high-speed rail dollars with nothing to show for it, doesn't mean he should be held accountable, amirite?

    Time to bring back the fairness doctrine so only media friendly to our dear leader can make it on the airwaves.
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    I saw that episode is recorded on my TV. I'll have to watch it sometime this weekend.

    Saw that John Stossel has a new book out also. Years ago recall reading his first writing. It was a good read. I was thinking of download a copy of the new book soon.

    "Can Government Do Anything Well?"

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    Originally Posted by Stizzel View Post
    Hi red,

    Free markets always create prosperity. Sorry that bothers you. Welp, back to reading your manifesto.
    Always?

    How did deregulation turn out with Enron and the financial industry?

    What about when Standard Oil controlled 90% of all oil in the USA? Was that a good thing?

    I support free markets over a command economy, but there needs to be logical and reasonable regulation.
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    Originally Posted by Cuchulainn View Post
    Always?

    How did deregulation turn out with Enron and the financial industry?

    What about when Standard Oil controlled 90% of all oil in the USA? Was that a good thing?

    I support free markets over a command economy, but there needs to be logical and reasonable regulation.
    Regulations already existed when Enron mislead investors. Their CEO went to prison, and the accounting firm that served as their auditors went under. Sarbanes-Oxley was an after-the-fact, knee-jerk reaction to make something that was already illegal even MORE illegal. I supposed it served its' purpose as a good photo op for the politicians though.

    The fact that Standard Oil once controlled most oil production in the US was neither good nor bad. If they had overcharged consumers (which most people recognize as the greatest danger of a monopoly) then their competitors would have been easily able to undercut them and gain market share. They were never a true monopoly, and never had unlimited pricing powers in the marketplace.

    Wal-Mart is a modern-day analog to Standard Oil. Should they be shut-down or broken up too? Their economies of scale allow them to be ultra competitive and drive other, higher-priced stores out of business. If they're succeeding in a free marketplace, and consumers are supporting an entity like Wal-Mart of their own free will, why should the government tell them they can't?
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    Originally Posted by llcoolray3000 View Post

    Here's Stossel's "No They Can't" special for everyone to enjoy:





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    Originally Posted by Cuchulainn View Post
    Always?
    Yes

    What about when Standard Oil controlled 90% of all oil in the USA? Was that a good thing?
    "Standard Oil had no initial market power, with only about 4 percent of the market in 1870. Its output and market share grew as its superior efficiency dramatically lowered its refining costs (by 1897, they were less than one-tenth of their level in 1869), and it passed on the efficiency savings in sharply reduced prices for refined oil (which fell from over 30 cents per gallon in 1869, to 10 cents in 1874, to 8 cents in 1885, and to 5.9 cents in 1897). It never achieved a monopoly (in 1911, the year of the Supreme Court decision, Standard Oil had roughly 150 competitors, including Texaco and Gulf) that would enable it to monopolistically boost consumer prices. So it can hardly be argued seriously that Rockefeller pursued a predatory strategy involving massive losses for decades without achieving the alleged monopoly payoff, which was the source of supposed consumer harm"
    http://mises.org/daily/5274



    but there needs to be logical and reasonable regulation.
    Unfortunately for you that doesn't exist.
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    Originally Posted by JB05 View Post
    Regulations already existed when Enron mislead investors. Their CEO went to prison, and the accounting firm that served as their auditors went under. Sarbanes-Oxley was an after-the-fact, knee-jerk reaction to make something that was already illegal even MORE illegal. I supposed it served its' purpose as a good photo op for the politicians though.

    The fact that Standard Oil once controlled most oil production in the US was neither good nor bad. If they had overcharged consumers (which most people recognize as the greatest danger of a monopoly) then their competitors would have been easily able to undercut them and gain market share. They were never a true monopoly, and never had unlimited pricing powers in the marketplace.

    Wal-Mart is a modern-day analog to Standard Oil. Should they be shut-down or broken up too? Their economies of scale allow them to be ultra competitive and drive other, higher-priced stores out of business. If they're succeeding in a free marketplace, and consumers are supporting an entity like Wal-Mart of their own free will, why should the government tell them they can't?
    Sure policies existed when Enron lied, but they effectively lobbied for deregulation of energy markets. The deregulated "free-markets" is what enabled them to manipulate the cost of electricity and gouge the public. Remember the rolling blackouts in California? That wasn't due to a shortage of electricity. It was Enron manipulating the market to create an 800% spike in energy costs.

    The unregulated market allowed them to gouge homeowners.

    In the summer of 2001 a drought in the northwest states reduced the amount of hydroelectric power available to California. Though at no point during the crisis was California's sum of [actual electric-generating capacity]+[out of state supply] less than demand, California's energy reserves were low enough that during peak hours the private industry which owned power-generating plants could effectively hold the State hostage by shutting down their plants for "maintenance" in order to manipulate supply and demand. These critical shutdowns often occurred for no other reason than to force California's electricity grid managers into a position where they would be forced to purchase electricity on the "spot market", where private generators could charge astronomical rates.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/09/bu...ted=all&src=pm
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    Originally Posted by Cuchulainn View Post
    Always?

    How did deregulation turn out with Enron and the financial industry?

    What about when Standard Oil controlled 90% of all oil in the USA? Was that a good thing?

    I support free markets over a command economy, but there needs to be logical and reasonable regulation.
    There's a difference between deregulation and a free market

    Enron could not have done what it did without the government. Strong fail logic there.

    And yes standard oil was a good thing.
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    Originally Posted by FreeReport View Post
    thanks for Tossing the Stossel ABC, now the junk belongs where it should
    No one cares what anger you vomit onto the computer screen, as you're parroting things without knowing what you're talking about. You do realize Pinochet in Chile during the 1970s was a military dictator, right? That by itself is against what goes with a free market. During that time, Chile also had huge tariffs and even quotas on domestic goods, attempting to keep out imports. That is the exact opposite of free market. That kind of protectionism is what put the Great Depression into overdrive (Smoot-Hawley act). Shall we continue?

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    i like how peopel think free markets mean legalizing fraud.
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    Originally Posted by sydneyalysse View Post
    i like how peopel think free markets mean legalizing fraud.
    Fraud is legal today
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    Originally Posted by JB05 View Post
    Regulations already existed when Enron mislead investors. Their CEO went to prison, and the accounting firm that served as their auditors went under. Sarbanes-Oxley was an after-the-fact, knee-jerk reaction to make something that was already illegal even MORE illegal. I supposed it served its' purpose as a good photo op for the politicians though.

    The fact that Standard Oil once controlled most oil production in the US was neither good nor bad. If they had overcharged consumers (which most people recognize as the greatest danger of a monopoly) then their competitors would have been easily able to undercut them and gain market share. They were never a true monopoly, and never had unlimited pricing powers in the marketplace.

    Wal-Mart is a modern-day analog to Standard Oil. Should they be shut-down or broken up too? Their economies of scale allow them to be ultra competitive and drive other, higher-priced stores out of business. If they're succeeding in a free marketplace, and consumers are supporting an entity like Wal-Mart of their own free will, why should the government tell them they can't?
    Yes who gives two shts about domestic manufacturing
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    Originally Posted by frankenstein78 View Post
    No one cares what anger you vomit onto the computer screen, as you're parroting things without knowing what you're talking about. You do realize Pinochet in Chile during the 1970s was a military dictator, right? That by itself is against what goes with a free market. During that time, Chile also had huge tariffs and even quotas on domestic goods, attempting to keep out imports. That is the exact opposite of free market. That kind of protectionism is what put the Great Depression into overdrive (Smoot-Hawley act). Shall we continue?

    Try again.
    Reminds of Milton Friedman and his vehement denial of involvement in his beloved doctrine's utter failure in Chile.

    The elected President of Chile was ousted forcefully by Pinochet with help and encouragement of US.

    Chileans as most people everywhere, weren't stupid enough to vote for total destruction and snipping off of their economy by handful of oligarchs

    Pinochet was US's homeboy to implement Milton Friedman's grand masterpiece that is unchecked free market capitalism

    And it failed

    You never hear Stossel going anywhere that
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