Whey protein 6 days out?

[Terminator84]

Hi there.

I'm 6 days out of the contest now, I cut the salt from my food 4 days ago, and going to drink distill water to prevent salt storage and water retrntion.

I only eat saltless chicken breasts and potatos, should I cut whey protein also? What if I drink it with distelled water?

[IronMan2010]

Hi there.

I'm 6 days out of the contest now, I cut the salt from my food 4 days ago, and going to drink distill water to prevent salt storage and water retrntion.

I only eat saltless chicken breasts and potatos, should I cut whey protein also? What if I drink it with distelled water?

Bro IMO you should NOT be cutting salt 6 days out from competition definetely a no no this will lead to flatness...you need the added sodium i there to keep the muscles full with the water, and try and cut back the night before the show, and run minimum the day of your show...thats my personal opinion. Obviously it depends what sort of condition you are in also, some people can afford to run water and sodium all the way till there standing there on stage. Protein shakes, i normally cut them out 2 weeks prior to contest and get all my protein from natural food sources like turkey and chicken.

[Terminator84]

How to get dry then, at the night of contest? You mean I should stay hydrated and then dry out all of a sudden ( magic pills )

Well I use magic stuff few days earlier with distelled water, what do you think?

[Flex500]

I'd be careful doing that most people just look stringy when they cut sodium. I don't know of any even guru's who suggest cutting sodium like that. It will probably make you look flat, stingy, not vascular, etc.

It's the same principal when people cut sodium then look flat onstage then they pound a chicken fried steak and pizza after teh show and wake up the next morning and say "Oh my God why didn't I look like this onstage!?!?!?!?!"

[Terminator84]

LoL

What to do then?

Should I keep sodium? And how to get dry enough on stage ?

[AustrianOakJr]

How to get dry then, at the night of contest? You mean I should stay hydrated and then dry out all of a sudden ( magic pills )

Well I use magic stuff few days earlier with distelled water, what do you think?

No magic pills....just a time machine. "dry" comes mainly as a result of getting very very lean. So more fat loss may be necessary. If you are holding water due to anabolic steroids then you may need to take some measures to move subcutaneous water. But cutting sodium like that will make you very flat. No POP...no pump, etc. Salt is one of the key ingredients that drive carbohydrates into the muscle cell. Cutting it completely is a no no. If you are natural I would suggest keeping sodium intake normal and as steady as possible.....bump water intake up above normal right into the show. Perhaps taper it off slightly going into prejudgining. If you aren't dry it most likely fat. If you are "assisted" then others could help you better in water and sodium manipulation....but either way, wild swings like you are attempting will lead to disaster.

[IronMan2010]

LoL

What to do then?

Should I keep sodium? And how to get dry enough on stage ?

In my personal experience ( you dont have to follow this, neither am i a guru or any nonsense) just from own personal experience. I keep my sodium high all through-out the prep. But last week ill keep it exactly the same, but slightly up my water (at this point im already on 1-1.5 gallons of water a day) so i only bump it up a little. Ill drink water and keep sodium in all the way till the night before the show. Im meaning like 9-10pm. Then ill stop both abruptly. The next morning you'll still be pissing etc, then id start to have some carbs that carry alot of carbs but dont get heavy on the gut e.g. pop tarts, rice cakes etc. About 30-45-1hour before stage, depending on how im feeling/looking ill have something high in sodium for pump and fullness....if your lean enough....you should NOT water over from this at all. Remember a full PUMPED muscle will look twice as good as a flat stringy muscle. I would maybe sip (tiny sips) on water throughout the day....again depends on how im feeeling. I would not rely on carbs to get you pumped, the sodium and water is what keeps you full

Once again, that is from my experience, and this is my opinion...i believe im neither right or wrong

[Flex500]

LoL

What to do then?

Should I keep sodium? And how to get dry enough on stage ?

Personally I like a protocol similar to Dave Palumbo's. It is not overly aggressive. I have done things like no sodium for a week and crazy stuff and almost no water for two days but it just doesn't work. I like his protocol....

Monday:
Everything the same (high sodium, high water, etc.)
Tuesday:
Everything the same (high sodium, high water, etc.)
Wednesday:
Everything the same (high sodium, high water, etc.)
Thursday:
Start carb load (40-60g carbs per meal 5-7 meals)
high sodium, high water
Friday:
Cut sodium to moderate amount. If you are eating 6,000mgs go to 3,000 or 4,000 etc.
carb load (40-60g carbs per meal, 5-8 meals)
high water until about 12-16 hours before pre-judging, then cut it
Take ½ dyazide at 6pm on Friday, 1/2 at 10pm, ½ at 2am, and ½ in the morning if necessary. Stop drinking at 6-8pm on Friday.
Saturday:
Have some foods with sodium in it. 2-3 high carb high sodium meals with 4-8 ounces water
Saturday and have your first meal, then after that don't let yourself go hungry, have another meal, or just snack all day, etc.




I like this approach it is not drastic at all either. My first show I remember I starting cutting water and sodium on wed...it was pure disaster. This has worked well for me.

[simpleguy4]

In my personal experience ( you dont have to follow this, neither am i a guru or any nonsense) just from own personal experience. I keep my sodium high all through-out the prep. But last week ill keep it exactly the same, but slightly up my water (at this point im already on 1-1.5 gallons of water a day) so i only bump it up a little. Ill drink water and keep sodium in all the way till the night before the show. Im meaning like 9-10pm. Then ill stop both abruptly. The next morning you'll still be pissing etc, then id start to have some carbs that carry alot of carbs but dont get heavy on the gut e.g. pop tarts, rice cakes etc. About 30-45-1hour before stage, depending on how im feeling/looking ill have something high in sodium for pump and fullness....if your lean enough....you should NOT water over from this at all. Remember a full PUMPED muscle will look twice as good as a flat stringy muscle. I would maybe sip (tiny sips) on water throughout the day....again depends on how im feeeling. I would not rely on carbs to get you pumped, the sodium and water is what keeps you full

Once again, that is from my experience, and this is my opinion...i believe im neither right or wrong

Good advice^^^^^ This also works very well for me.......sodium very high until Friday, then only what is naturally occurring in food. Water at about a gallon until 8:00PM Friday night and than only sips. Saturday AM high carb, high sodium meal with minimal water ( I do IHOP eggs and pancakes) then rice cakes with natural PB every hour until stage.

[FlyingIllini]

I think this sodium manipulation theory, ie cutting sodium for a show, has been discredited.

[Flex500]

I think this sodium manipulation theory, ie cutting sodium for a show, has been discredited.

yeah I don't think anyone does it. people only really cut it a bit if they are like me and get like 6,000mgs a day because they are doing an hour on the stair stepper sweating like mad so I often cut it down to 3,000 the last couple days since I'm not really sweating and working out. But yeah...the whole no sodium thing isn't done at all anymore I don't think.

[pshickey]

I had a few scoops of whey, around 4,000-5,000mg of sodium, 1.5-2 gallons of water, and 3g creatine daily all the way up to and on show day, no issues "holding water" for me.

[Terminator84]

Personally I like a protocol similar to Dave Palumbo's. It is not overly aggressive. I have done things like no sodium for a week and crazy stuff and almost no water for two days but it just doesn't work. I like his protocol....

Monday:
Everything the same (high sodium, high water, etc.)
Tuesday:
Everything the same (high sodium, high water, etc.)
Wednesday:
Everything the same (high sodium, high water, etc.)
Thursday:
Start carb load (40-60g carbs per meal 5-7 meals)
high sodium, high water
Friday:
Cut sodium to moderate amount. If you are eating 6,000mgs go to 3,000 or 4,000 etc.
carb load (40-60g carbs per meal, 5-8 meals)
high water until about 12-16 hours before pre-judging, then cut it
Take ½ dyazide at 6pm on Friday, 1/2 at 10pm, ½ at 2am, and ½ in the morning if necessary. Stop drinking at 6-8pm on Friday.
Saturday:
Have some foods with sodium in it. 2-3 high carb high sodium meals with 4-8 ounces water
Saturday and have your first meal, then after that don't let yourself go hungry, have another meal, or just snack all day, etc.




I like this approach it is not drastic at all either. My first show I remember I starting cutting water and sodium on wed...it was pure disaster. This has worked well for me.

This is amazing, thanks a lot man.

You mentioned dyazide.. how about aldactone? any experience with it?

I'm gonna try your Palumbo program, seems sensible to me.

[chuckles_345]

LoL

What to do then?

Should I keep sodium? And how to get dry enough on stage ?

Get lean enough......

[IronMan2010]

This is amazing, thanks a lot man.

You mentioned dyazide.. how about aldactone? any experience with it?

I'm gonna try your Palumbo program, seems sensible to me.

Bro ive never tried dyazide, but from many many many people i have heard do not touch aldactone....i will have to find you the proper reason behind it, but it will just make you really flat....and you may not be able to recover from it

[Terminator84]

Bro ive never tried dyazide, but from many many many people i have heard do not touch aldactone....i will have to find you the proper reason behind it, but it will just make you really flat....and you may not be able to recover from it

Dyazide is not available in my place ( middle east ) all I found is lazzix and aldactone.

[IronMan2010]

Dyazide is not available in my place ( middle east ) all I found is lazzix and aldactone.

Lazzix again bro is risking it, because its unpredicatable. Im not sure what you can get, i dont particularly think you need a diuretic if you are lean enough to be honest....cutting water and sodium should be good enough....again not my call, just my thoughts bro. Do you have a prep coach? or are you doing this yourself

[Terminator84]

Lazzix again bro is risking it, because its unpredicatable. Im not sure what you can get, i dont particularly think you need a diuretic if you are lean enough to be honest....cutting water and sodium should be good enough....again not my call, just my thoughts bro. Do you have a prep coach? or are you doing this yourself

LOL the coach is the disaster he told me about cutting the sodium and I honestly doubt his ideas.

I will keep things normal way and I will see what I get the night of the show, if any more water appears I may use a lazzix pill and thats all.

[big lew]

LOL the coach is the disaster he told me about cutting the sodium and I honestly doubt his ideas.

I will keep things normal way and I will see what I get the night of the show, if any more water appears I may use a lazzix pill and thats all.

Chiming in with others, Cutting water/sodium or taking a diuretic could leave you flat and stringy. If you're not on gear, there is no reason for a diuretic. Remember, a diuretic is for removal of water. However, it doesn't target subcutaneous water alone, it removes intracellular(in muscles) water as well as extracellular(subcutaneous) water. For muscles to be full, there must be a 3:1 water/carb ratio. Without the water there, glycogen cannot be taken into the muscle cells. again, leaving you flat.
As stated by the others, if you are lean enough, then there should be no problem with water.
Post some pics. How much water are you drinking?

[heater15]

What if I drink it with distelled water?

You know how dangerous this is?

[Loctus]

Distilled water.. wtf.. Strong death wish

[Terminator84]

Well many guys I know used distelled water and they're fine, I talked to them about this thread and they said drinking water will blow up your conditioning.

Anyway I'm convinced with what you all said that this is not needed to get dry. I'll focus on regular dieting and do palumbo's program last few days.