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    Originally Posted by WonderPug View Post
    Since the OP's estimated BMR is under 2,200 calories per day, I suspect he's either grossly miscalculating his TDEE and/or grossly miscalculating the amount he consume.
    Or has some illness that is eating away at his calorie requirements....

    OP -- I created the sticky. I'm also in Aust and sell bodymedia which determine calorie requirements.
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    Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh View Post
    Or has some illness that is eating away at his calorie requirements....

    OP -- I created the sticky. I'm also in Aust and sell bodymedia which determine calorie requirements.
    If you're serious about finding out how much you burn, contact me and get one --- it'll end all the 'questions'....
    But isnt that still just estimating based on his indicated body size
    I see lots of people in the BFM thread who have been dieting that say their intake grossly undercuts their burn rates or vice versa
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    Originally Posted by determined4000 View Post
    But isnt that still just estimating based on his indicated body size
    I see lots of people in the BFM thread who have been dieting that say their intake grossly undercuts their burn rates or vice versa
    BMF doesn't estimate on 'size' only, it takes a lot of other factors into consideration. But you're correct that it isn't 'spot on' (but it is thought to be with in ~ 5% of 'true' readings for *most* people).

    For most the issue is more so that you need to be able to interpret / use the info correctly....
    And until people realise that '3500 cals deficit' doesn't actually create '1 pound of weight loss' (and visa versa) they will always be confused.
    For those who DO realise this - it can be very useful.
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    Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh View Post
    And until people realise that '3500 cals deficit' doesn't actually create '1 pound of weight loss' (and visa versa) they will always be confused.
    For those who DO realise this - it can be very useful.
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    Originally Posted by greazy8 View Post
    45 + hr a week, with gym and active weekends
    Damn, props to you OP. If my ass wasn't so lazy I'd like to try landscaping or some other physical job.
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    Originally Posted by greazy8 View Post
    Totals Today

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    I would be in heaven if I could eat 7,000+ calories a day! I better get into contruction work!
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    Originally Posted by vermeer View Post
    I would be in heaven if I could eat 7,000+ calories a day! I better get into contruction work!
    Burning more calories so you can eat more? Sounds like more fuel for your eating disorder to me... just my 0.02$
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    Originally Posted by andrealazio View Post
    Mind=blown.

    Can you explain me this? thank you
    Quiet simple: the stupid calculation is stupid. It assumes a closed circuit, and weight loss doesn't work in such a 'linear relationship'.
    More often than not the required deficit for loss is MUCH higher than suggested by this number:
    http://www.tbiomed.com/content/4/1/27
    http://www.thelancet.com/series/obesity
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    14th April Food Intake

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    Originally Posted by greazy8 View Post
    14th April Food Intake

    Calories 7,409
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    Fat 217
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    Impressive. I suggest creating a log, or something if you want to track. Over in the nutrition logs section, I know people like "vermeer" would
    love to drool over your daily stats. heh
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    That is awesome 7k+ cals a day ( though I probably couldn't keep it down)... Maybe half is going to a tapeworm?
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    I have a pretty big appetite and can consume a lot of cals when I want to, but having to eat 7k cals on a daily basis is NOT something I envy. To everybody on here saying that they wish they could eat like that, try eating like that for a week (or even 3-4 days), and I bet you'll get tired of it.

    Greazy: like determined said, that homemade trail mix is a good option. Personally, I find that I can put away virtually as much peanut butter as I want, so if you're the same way, I'd do that. Sounds ridiculous (compared to people who say a sandwich should have 2 tbsp, at least, which makes no sense to me), but, if you're really stretched for calories, you can smother like 8 tbsp in a sandwich. Wash that down with 3 cups of whole milk, and, with bread considered, that's ~1400 calories right there. Add some jelly or honey or some other calorie dense spread (maybe make it a triple decker sandwich), and you can really pile cals onto it in a hurry. About as calorie dense as anything in the world, tasty, and very cheap compared to things you would fill your calories with on a daily basis.

    @Emma-Leigh: Obviously weight loss does not occur in a linear fashion, but, after the initial water/glycogen is emptied out of the body and everything (after, say, one week), if one were to restrict their diet by 3500 cals/week over the course of a couple months (of course adjusting the intake as their weight declined), wouldn't the weight loss eventually average out to a number very close to 1 lb/week? If I'm wrong, please correct me, as you are the expert and I obviously am not. EDIT: For the record, yes, I know that different foods and their respective macronutrients do various things to speed up the metabolism (i.e. protein having the highest thermal effects).
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    Originally Posted by Nailz4Breakfast View Post
    That is awesome 7k+ cals a day ( though I probably couldn't keep it down)... Maybe half is going to a tapeworm?
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    Originally Posted by DominationStation View Post
    I have a pretty big appetite and can consume a lot of cals when I want to, but having to eat 7k cals on a daily basis is NOT something I envy. To everybody on here saying that they wish they could eat like that, try eating like that for a week (or even 3-4 days), and I bet you'll get tired of it.

    Greazy: like determined said, that homemade trail mix is a good option. Personally, I find that I can put away virtually as much peanut butter as I want, so if you're the same way, I'd do that. Sounds ridiculous (compared to people who say a sandwich should have 2 tbsp, at least, which makes no sense to me), but, if you're really stretched for calories, you can smother like 8 tbsp in a sandwich. Wash that down with 3 cups of whole milk, and, with bread considered, that's ~1400 calories right there. Add some jelly or honey or some other calorie dense spread (maybe make it a triple decker sandwich), and you can really pile cals onto it in a hurry. About as calorie dense as anything in the world, tasty, and very cheap compared to things you would fill your calories with on a daily basis.

    @Emma-Leigh: Obviously weight loss does not occur in a linear fashion, but, after the initial water/glycogen is emptied out of the body and everything (after, say, one week), if one were to restrict their diet by 3500 cals/week over the course of a couple months (of course adjusting the intake as their weight declined), wouldn't the weight loss eventually average out to a number very close to 1 lb/week? If I'm wrong, please correct me, as you are the expert and I obviously am not. EDIT: For the record, yes, I know that different foods and their respective macronutrients do various things to speed up the metabolism (i.e. protein having the highest thermal effects).
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    Originally Posted by DominationStation View Post
    if one were to restrict their diet by 3500 cals/week over the course of a couple months (of course adjusting the intake as their weight declined), wouldn't the weight loss eventually average out to a number very close to 1 lb/week?
    No. If OP with a a maintenance of (to be safe) 5k calories were to eat 3500 over and my mom (maitenance 1500?) were to eat 3500 over, their weight change would be very different. Which is why basing your surplus/deficit as a % of maintenance is more appropriate.
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    I was like you OP when i was younger. Worked crazy hours and had a huge activity level. I gained most of my size when i quit my job and focused on my bodybuilding. When i quit, i gained 35kgs within the next year or two. Even though it's all a game of cals in vs. cals out in terms of body weight, the body is constantly thinking you're tryin to lose weight when all you're doin is running around and lifting **** cardio style all day. That's why half the time you see bodybuilders just laze around at home doing absolutely nothing, being as immobile as possible, to keep calorie expenditure low and support a more anabolic environment within the body.

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    I was like you OP when i was younger. Worked crazy hours and had a huge activity level. I gained most of my size when i quit my job and focused on my bodybuilding. When i quit, i gained 35kgs within the next year or two. Even though it's all a game of cals in vs. cals out in terms of body weight, the body is constantly thinking you're tryin to lose weight when all you're doin is running around and lifting **** cardio style all day. That's why half the time you see bodybuilders just laze around at home doing absolutely nothing, being as immobile as possible, to keep calorie expenditure low and support a more anabolic environment within the body.

    But yeah... jus sayin
    Yeah Hopefully I'll be in more of a position in a few years where my job will be less active.. I Just weighted myself then I was at 94. ( +4kg since friday.... Thats the weekends for you) I swear by Tuesday I'll be 90 again
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    Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh View Post
    Quiet simple: the stupid calculation is stupid. It assumes a closed circuit, and weight loss doesn't work in such a 'linear relationship'.
    More often than not the required deficit for loss is MUCH higher than suggested by this number:
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    I used to eat the same amount of food and not lift while maintaining the same weight as the OP. I also had a labor job (Sheet metal roofing). If I was to train 4-5 days a week on top of that I would lose weight. It's not hard to believe OP's claims, makes perfect sense.

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    Originally Posted by determined4000 View Post
    No. If OP with a a maintenance of (to be safe) 5k calories were to eat 3500 over and my mom (maitenance 1500?) were to eat 3500 over, their weight change would be very different. Which is why basing your surplus/deficit as a % of maintenance is more appropriate.
    Hey D, (or anyone else); Have you ever heard of the formula where you take 31 and multiply it by your "fat weight" to determine the max caloric deficit to create per day to avoid musle loss? I read somewhere on here that it's pretty accurate, but I dunno. So for me, if I weigh 145, and my fat weight (non-lean mass weight) is about 20lbs, I multiply 31 by 20, which is 620. So the maximum deficit I can get away with per day without losing muscle is about 620 calories. Whaddya all think of that formula? Hogwash or science?
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    Originally Posted by greazy8 View Post
    15th April Food Intake

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    Logs that way ---->

    Did you read what I wrote? or are you just going to keep bumping your thread everyday. Not tying to be rude... just curious..
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    Originally Posted by ErikTheElectric View Post
    Logs that way ---->

    Did you read what I wrote? or are you just going to keep bumping your thread everyday. Not tying to be rude... just curious..
    sorry bro, not trying to be rude, from what i though this was were i logged, seeing its called nutrition log .... :/
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    Originally Posted by greazy8 View Post
    sorry bro, not trying to be rude, from what i though this was were i logged, seeing its called nutrition log .... :/
    ill have a look over site
    Not really sure how what you said was rude, but whatever.

    Anyways, the "Nutrition Logs" are in a subforum of this section which is the general nutrition section.
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    Originally Posted by ErikTheElectric View Post
    Not really sure how what you said was rude, but whatever.

    Anyways, the "Nutrition Logs" are in a subforum of this section which is the general nutrition section.
    Ahh I see it, Although I swear to god that where i pressed Start thread when I started this... Will go over to it now ... Peace Out
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    Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh View Post
    Quiet simple: the stupid calculation is stupid. It assumes a closed circuit, and weight loss doesn't work in such a 'linear relationship'.
    More often than not the required deficit for loss is MUCH higher than suggested by this number:
    http://www.tbiomed.com/content/4/1/27
    http://www.thelancet.com/series/obesity
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22257646
    http://bwsimulator.niddk.nih.gov/
    First of all sorry for the old bump but i have a question for Emma-Leigh:

    So if it's not just a "number game" that would mean that it's not possible gain fat in one day even if someone eat at a 4000 kcal surplus?

    A little example: If i have a cheat day with a 4000 kcal surplus in a cut i wont gain a pound of fat, right?
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    Originally Posted by andrealazio View Post
    First of all sorry for the old bump but i have a question for Emma-Leigh:

    So if it's not just a "number game" that would mean that it's not possible gain fat in one day even if someone eat at a 4000 kcal surplus?

    A little example: If i have a cheat day with a 4000 kcal surplus in a cut i wont gain a pound of fat, right?
    You're 16 yrs old -- why are you eating such that you are restricting calories and then 'cheating' with a '4000 cal surplus' in the first place?
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    Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh View Post
    You're 16 yrs old -- why are you eating such that you are restricting calories and then 'cheating' with a '4000 cal surplus' in the first place?
    No, it's not me, it was an example to understand the dynamic of weight gain/loss. I would like to understand if an overfeed can make you fat. But it's just for personal knowledge...
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