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    Excess Protein Stored As Fat?!?!!

    Does excess Protein get stored as fat.
    This is a concern.
    Most bodybuilders eat tons of protein and most people
    think carbs are the only thing to watch out for.
    I read this article and apparently excess protein gets turned into fat.
    Your opinions?
    And i can post a link to the article because im not over 50 posts but just google or bing
    "can your body turn protein into fat"
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    excess calories will cause your body to store fat, doesn't matter where those excess calories come from (fat, carbs, or protein)
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    As above stated, excess calories are stored. It isn't just excess protein. You need to look at things from a calorie perspective.
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    Excess calories beyond caloric needs cause fat storage. However, the human body preferentially chooses fat to store as fat. We can convert carbs to fat, but this process (de novo lipogenesis) is very limited and only gets upregulated in extreme circumstances. In order for protein to be converted into fat, it would first have to be converted into glucose and then converted into fat. This is a very unlikely scenario.

    Anyway, enough of all that science mumbo-jumbo. The take-home message is this: excess calories = fat storage.
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    Here it is a brilliant article on the subject:

    http://thesmarterscienceofslim.com/c...-4-efficiency/
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    Originally Posted by TinyMuscolo View Post
    Here it is a brilliant article on the subject:

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    That article seems to imply that a calorie of a protein over maintenance is less capable of being turned to fat over a carb which is complete bs.

    If ur eating within ur caloric limits u won't gain a lb more or less if u eat all carbs or protein except for water weight.

    Op- its calories that determine weight loss/gain not macros
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    I have to disagree, even if I think that "a calorie is a calorie". You have to keep in mind the % of absorption of a given macro: proteins "burn" approx 30% of their calorie amount just by being processed, whereas carbs and fat are absorbed completely. That's why somebody suggests to count protein as 3-3.4 cals/gr.
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    Originally Posted by TinyMuscolo View Post
    I have to disagree, even if I think that "a calorie is a calorie". You have to keep in mind the % of absorption of a given macro: proteins "burn" approx 30% of their calorie amount just by being processed, whereas carbs and fat are absorbed completely. That's why somebody suggests to count protein as 3-3.4 cals/gr.
    Protein has a higher thermal effect its still calories in vs calories out. I could eat below my maintenance with only ice cream and lose weight which is my point to the op.
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    Originally Posted by TinyMuscolo View Post
    I have to disagree, even if I think that "a calorie is a calorie". You have to keep in mind the % of absorption of a given macro: proteins "burn" approx 30% of their calorie amount just by being processed, whereas carbs and fat are absorbed completely. That's why somebody suggests to count protein as 3-3.4 cals/gr.
    The Thermogenic effect of protein will effect the TDEE, not HOW the body stores calories.
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    The Thermogenic effect of protein will effect the TDEE, not HOW the body stores calories.
    Thats what i was tryna say thanks.
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    Originally Posted by MakeABanana View Post
    Excess calories beyond caloric needs cause fat storage. However, the human body preferentially chooses fat to store as fat. We can convert carbs to fat, but this process (de novo lipogenesis) is very limited and only gets upregulated in extreme circumstances. In order for protein to be converted into fat, it would first have to be converted into glucose and then converted into fat. This is a very unlikely scenario.

    Anyway, enough of all that science mumbo-jumbo. The take-home message is this: excess calories = fat storage.
    Actually, there is a fairly direct pathway from Protein into TG conversion. Conversion to Glucose is not a necessary mechanism for all Amino Acids, though it is for some.

    Regardless, as others have said. Dietary Fat is the only macro-nutrient which goes just about directly into the fat stores. Carbohydrate intake must be chronically very high on a chronically excessive calorie intake to synthesize any significant amounts of fatty acids.
    And protein to fat conversion will be equally if not even more so unlikely.

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    There is a preponderance of contradictory information that exists on this subject.

    A calorie is not exactly a calorie when it comes to the body's response to it. Lyle McDonald does a wonderful job of explaining this through many detailed articles.

    Carbs are ultimately broken down into acetyl-CoA. Acetyl-CoA is a central molecule in metabolism, and depending on the body's needs, Acetyl-CoA con be converted into fatty acids in situations of caloric excess, or Acetyl-CoA may enter the TCA cycle in situations were the body needs to produce ATP. This, like all biological processes, is under hormonal control: insulin, catecholamimes, etc. This becomes beautifully complex and is still not fully understood.

    Before continuing, it is important to understand that carbohydrates, all of which are converted to glucose (except fructose) in individuals without enzyme defects, certain diseases, are preferentially stored as glycogen. However, due to glycogen's osmotic activity, only so much of it can be maintained by the body. Therefore, in times when glycogen stores are full and a carb excess exists, those carbs are converted to Acetyl-CoA and Acetyl-CoA is converted into fatty acids.

    Proteins follow a more circuitous route to becoming fat. First, they must be deaminated. After deamination, the amount of processing required depends on the individual structure of the amino acid.

    The poster that stated that certain amino acids bypass gluconeogenisis and take a more direct route to becoming Acetyl-coA is correct. Alanine is converted through the Cori cycle (alanine cycle) into pyruvate, a molecule that is one step away from Acetyl-CoA. Alanine is the most abundant amino acid in nature. Glutamine is the second most abundant. Both of these amino acids funnel into gluconeogenisis and conversion into fatty acids.

    Now, some will undoubtedly point out that not all amino acids can be converted to glucose. This to is true, but unfortunately, the most abundant amino acids in nature are the amino acids that when consumed in excess are most readily stored as fat.

    As a final thought, whether or not the food one consumes is stored or wasted, as are some excess amino acids, a caloric excess relieves the body's need to utilize its stored energy.

    The best advice is always consume under maintanence to insure weight reduction.
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    Originally Posted by Chemistryguy85 View Post
    There is a preponderance of contradictory information that exists on this subject.

    A calorie is not exactly a calorie when it comes to the body's response to it. Lyle McDonald does a wonderful job of explaining this through many detailed articles.

    Carbs are ultimately broken down into acetyl-CoA. Acetyl-CoA is a central molecule in metabolism, and depending on the body's needs, Acetyl-CoA con be converted into fatty acids in situations of caloric excess, or Acetyl-CoA may enter the TCA cycle in situations were the body needs to produce ATP. This, like all biological processes, is under hormonal control: insulin, catecholamimes, etc. This becomes beautifully complex and is still not fully understood.

    Before continuing, it is important to understand that carbohydrates, all of which are converted to glucose (except fructose) in individuals without enzyme defects, certain diseases, are preferentially stored as glycogen. However, due to glycogen's osmotic activity, only so much of it can be maintained by the body. Therefore, in times when glycogen stores are full and a carb excess exists, those carbs are converted to Acetyl-CoA and Acetyl-CoA is converted into fatty acids.

    Proteins follow a more circuitous route to becoming fat. First, they must be deaminated. After deamination, the amount of processing required depends on the individual structure of the amino acid.

    The poster that stated that certain amino acids bypass gluconeogenisis and take a more direct route to becoming Acetyl-coA is correct. Alanine is converted through the Cori cycle (alanine cycle) into pyruvate, a molecule that is one step away from Acetyl-CoA. Alanine is the most abundant amino acid in nature. Glutamine is the second most abundant. Both of these amino acids funnel into gluconeogenisis and conversion into fatty acids.

    Now, some will undoubtedly point out that not all amino acids can be converted to glucose. This to is true, but unfortunately, the most abundant amino acids in nature are the amino acids that when consumed in excess are most readily stored as fat.

    As a final thought, whether or not the food one consumes is stored or wasted, as are some excess amino acids, a caloric excess relieves the body's need to utilize its stored energy.

    The best advice is always consume under maintanence to insure weight reduction.
    We are speaking of fat storage/fat loss. For these purposes a calorie is a calorie.

    Protein can not get magically stores as fat if u eat below maintenance any more than carbs can.
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    Carbs, fat, and protein will not be stored if one eats below maintanence. If one eats below maintanence, the body will be forced to tap its energy stores.
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    If I recall correctly, the chances of protein (and carbs) being turned to fat when fatty acids are present in the system is rare. The pathways exist but I believe that they're not used. MakeABanana pretty much said it already.
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    Originally Posted by Sinaku5 View Post
    That article seems to imply that a calorie of a protein over maintenance is less capable of being turned to fat over a carb which is complete bs.

    If ur eating within ur caloric limits u won't gain a lb more or less if u eat all carbs or protein except for water weight.

    Op- its calories that determine weight loss/gain not macros
    If thats the case, i would really be interested in seeing an expirament on this. If Macros dont matter, please understand im not being a smart ass.

    Lets use me for this instance, because i know my BMR, TEE and what my intake should be on a cut or bulk. I need 2606 calories on a cut. We'll use oats for this expirement, 8.5 servings of oats is 2607 cals, resulting in 1921 Cals from Carbs, 375.7 Cals from Fats, and 312.8 Cals from protien. Assuming I cut for 6 weeks, would i get identical results from eating 8.5 servings of oats everyday, than a more sensible diet focused on suggested macro levels i.e. 1g protien/lb total weight, .5g fat/lb total weight, and then filling the rest of my cals with carbs.
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    Originally Posted by ArchangelEST View Post
    Actually, there is a fairly direct pathway from Protein into TG conversion. Conversion to Glucose is not a necessary mechanism for all Amino Acids, though it is for some.
    My bad, you're right, like for amino acids such as leucine and lysine. This reminds me that I need to brush up on my biochem again (never took a biochem class ever).
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    One other factor that protein has going for it- a naturally satiating effect

    The more protein you eat, the fuller you get, so you will have a harder time eating in more calories. This makes it easier to eat below maintenance, but still doesn't mean protein can't get stored as fat.
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    Originally Posted by redleg0909 View Post
    If thats the case, i would really be interested in seeing an expirament on this. If Macros dont matter, please understand im not being a smart ass.

    Lets use me for this instance, because i know my BMR, TEE and what my intake should be on a cut or bulk. I need 2606 calories on a cut. We'll use oats for this expirement, 8.5 servings of oats is 2607 cals, resulting in 1921 Cals from Carbs, 375.7 Cals from Fats, and 312.8 Cals from protien. Assuming I cut for 6 weeks, would i get identical results from eating 8.5 servings of oats everyday, than a more sensible diet focused on suggested macro levels i.e. 1g protien/lb total weight, .5g fat/lb total weight, and then filling the rest of my cals with carbs.
    Hate to bump an old thread (not that old, less than a month) but I would be very interested in the answer/science/opinions on this question...

    Got into bodybuilding about a year ago, have basically followed the "eat big, left big, rest big" theory until now but I am very interested in learning more about this.

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    Ultimately its just academic at the "user" level. The only time the priority system exists is in a caloric surplus and the order of fat storage is irrelevant because its going to happen regardless. Diets excessively high in protein and low in fats used by bodybuilders in the past have been shown to have no real beneficial effect and can often be detrimental (too low fat = hormone issues, too low carbs = lower lifts/energy at gym, abundant amounts of everything =fat/powerlifter). On top of that it would likely be impossible to time nutrient intake (along with digestion rates and energy conversion) in some way where the body utilizes everything before the nonconvertible amino acids.
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    Originally Posted by ryanmma100 View Post
    Does excess Protein get stored as fat.
    This is a concern.
    Most bodybuilders eat tons of protein and most people
    think carbs are the only thing to watch out for.
    I read this article and apparently excess protein gets turned into fat.
    Your opinions?
    And i can post a link to the article because im not over 50 posts but just google or bing
    "can your body turn protein into fat"
    You're reading the wrong articles. Excess of calories will be stored as fat, not particular macros if calories are sufficient.
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    Lightbulb protein=fat

    Fat is stored energy, the excess of anything will be converted into fat. You cant really argue about any of this because we are evolving as we speak. By the time they figure it out it wont even matter.
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    excess protein gets converted to glucose = carbs
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    Originally Posted by Flat4Suby View Post
    excess calories will cause your body to store fat, doesn't matter where those excess calories come from (fat, carbs, or protein)
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    Then eat just oreos cookies pasta and applepie for a week versus just doing what you always did for daily excercize/chores. and see if it makes any difference.
    I think bodybuilders who are more active will see less negative impact of carbs tho. Because they use all insuline and carbs directlly to muscle. it doesn't mean carbs are not worse than protein.

    Interesting subject.
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