So...I'm sure you all have heard the rumors.
It looks like a good, possible heavy or super heavy male lifter or both have tested positive for something and may have been replaced on the PanAm roster.
http://www.pendlayforum.com/showthread.php?t=6493
http://goheavy.com/forums/olympic/index.cgi/read/656291
Of course, reasonable discussion is encouraged and allowed, though I would like glenn says on his forum keep speculation to a minimum until the official results come out.
In order to stay w/i the rules of the forum though I would ask you all to refrain from mentioning compounds, usage, dosage, how to beat a test, etc.
Think: generalities and legalities are ok to talk about, specifics are bad.
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04-08-2012, 10:17 PM #1
PanAm replacement, how to stay w/i the rules
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now if it really is Mendes (and it seems it is) and if it is really for something legit and now some preworkout ****, the haters are going to be out in full force
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I dunno man, haters I generally associate with making stuff up or taking something and running, this would be more confirmation of what I believe had become pretty much a generally accepted reality. Maybe it's the lawyer in me, but hating=speculating based on circumstantial evidence (usually limited circumstantial evidence at that), if there's a dirty test regardless of who it is or where he trains you're not hating by stating he pissed hot. That's a fact. I mean cmon we're not idiots here (hopefully), Bulgarian training was designed in conjunction with Bulgarian supplementing, so this can't really be a surprise to anybody. Are they the only ones doing it? Absolutely not. Does that matter if you broke the rules (and got caught)? Nope. And LMAO at "preworkout ****," if you pop dirty for an OTC supplement at Nationals you are an absolute moron.
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Well the lawyer in me could argue, that if a parent has 3 kids, and one of them gets into drugs, it does not mean that the parents gave the kid drugs or even knew of the drug use....
If Enderton and Gilbert are clean, who is to say that Broz even knew what Pat was doing? Also, we don't even know what he popped for, it sounds dumb, but it could have even been something like weed.
The lawyer in you should know to wait until some more facts come in....
Once again, other high level lifters have popped for some pretty trivial things....
Also, once again, Broz is not the only person to take a "Bulgarian" approach to training, Cal Strength does it, and we do not associate drugs with them....Bryan
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What? I think you're reading an awful lot into what I said. For clarification, I said if somebody comes out and states that it's a fact that somebody is doing something with little or no supporting evidence that is speculating/hating. If there's a dirty test and somebody says "this guy pissed dirty" that's not hating, that's stating a fact. I also said that if you fail based on a preworkout you're an idiot. That's all. I didn't say that a dirty test means the coach knew about it. The Bulgarian training protocol was originated by a country where I think it is generally accepted that the lifters were supplementally enhanced. There's a decent amount of indicators that something is up with that particular gym, this would certainly be another one. Doesn't mean I am "hating" because frankly I don't care what they do and I hope/wish they don't get caught (if they're doing anything) because I like the lifters. I like Broz although I think the Adell thing was a bad moment for him. There are not as many indicators with Cal Strength, but if one of their guys got popped it would be the same analysis (to me anyways).
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04-09-2012, 10:31 AM #13
yea someone on pendlay said that he asked Broz and the answer was "Pat did not test positive at Nationals".
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Apparently he's struggling to stay above 120kg and at 28% BF, so he and Broz feel he can cut fat, improve his diet, and stay healthier at 105 while keeping strength. Mendes is a pretty small SHW as it is, and Broz doesn't feel he can be the size to compete with someone like Salimi. Mendes is only around 5'10" from what I recall.
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