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    Mohammed promised them sex, drinks and all they could imagine if they died fighting for him.

    'Aisha reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, the son of Jud'an established ties of relationship, fed the poor. Would that be of any avail to him? He said: It would be of no avail to him as he did not ever say: O my Lord, pardon my sins on the Day of Resurrection.
    he Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: If anyone says on hearing the Mu'adhdhin: I testify that there is no god but Allah alone. Who has no partner, and that Muhammad is His servant and His Messenger, (and that) I am satisfied with Allah as my Lord, with Muhammad as Messenger. and with Islam as din (code of life), his sins would be forgiven.
    I sat by his side and (the Holy Prophet) observed: There is none among the bondsmen who affirmed his faith in La illaha ill-Allah there is no God but Allah) and died in this state and did not enter Paradise. I (Abu Dharr) said: Even if he committed adultery and theft? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: (Yes) even though he committed adultery and theft. I (again said): Even if he committed adultery and theft? He replied: (Yes) even though he committed adultery and theft. (Th Holy Prophet repeated it three times) and said for the fourth time: In defiance of Abu Dharr. Abu Dharr then went out and he repeated (these words): In defiance of Abu Dharr.
    As you can see, feeding the poor and strengthening family ties means nothing to Allah, whereas saying the shahada (testifying that there is no other God but Allah and Mohammed his messenger), will absolve you of your sins, even if you were a thief and an adulterer.

    Why is Allah so desperate to be known and worshipped, why doesn't he reveal himself to us as he reveals himself to his prophets?
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    Originally Posted by boseador View Post
    Mohammed promised them sex, drinks and all they could imagine if they died fighting for him.



    As you can see, feeding the poor and strengthening family ties means nothing to Allah, whereas saying the shahada (testifying that there is no other God but Allah and Mohammed his messenger), will absolve you of your sins, even if you were a thief and an adulterer.

    Why is Allah so desperate to be known and worshipped, why doesn't he reveal himself to us as he reveals himself to his prophets?
    That's the main difference vs the Jude/Christian God and Arabia's Allah.

    YAHUAH is fully reliable and is LOVE - he strives for a relationship with us and that's the most important thing.

    Allah is un relatable and extremely arrogant and is looking more for slaves than loving sons/daughters.

    Reading the Bible then Quran side by side the differences are clear, through Genesis through Revelations God remains the same, then when you read Quran this guy Allah is introduced and it takes a major turn while inserting bits and pieces from the bible.

    Most scholars deeply studied in both believe the Quran is a lie filled with truths, to put it simply.
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    Originally Posted by GreatestIam View Post
    If all souls are equal as you indicate then can a wife have 70 virgins in heaven and if not, why not?

    Why should the 70 t0 1 ratio for pleasures be so much higher for men than for women?

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    All references show that a man has at least 70 wives but I don't find any reference for a wife having more than one husband.

    If all souls are equal, then what is important is that they are all given a reward that will make them equally happy. It doesn't mean they all have to have identical rewards. For example, having a variety of sexual partners is something which men prefer more than women. Women are happier with different aspects of the sexual apart from variety, and their reward will reflect that.

    Ultimately, the real question is: is everyone in Heaven as happy as they can be? If the answer is yes, you're wasting your time speculating about rewards. Worry about getting yourself there then you can argue about a refund.
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    Originally Posted by Clense View Post
    That's the main difference vs the Jude/Christian God and Arabia's Allah.

    YAHUAH is fully reliable and is LOVE - he strives for a relationship with us and that's the most important thing.

    Allah is un relatable and extremely arrogant and is looking more for slaves than loving sons/daughters.

    Reading the Bible then Quran side by side the differences are clear, through Genesis through Revelations God remains the same, then when you read Quran this guy Allah is introduced and it takes a major turn while inserting bits and pieces from the bible.

    Most scholars deeply studied in both believe the Quran is a lie filled with truths, to put it simply.
    The God of the Old and New Testaments are totally different then. The God of the Old Testament is "unrelatable" and talks much about rewards, punishments, laws, and revenge. Most scholars who deeply studied both agree that God's description changed depending on the author of the text, clearly a problem for a supposedly divine set of documents.

    In the Qur'an, God also strives for a personal relationship of love with believers, but there are necessary times for rewards, punishment, justice, laws, etc. An empty claim of "fully reliable and loving" is not only unjust depending on the circumstances, it's a bold faced lie for anyone who has read the Bible.
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