high reps or more cardio ???

[ShadowNakano]

i don't understand what point you're trying to argue. if you've nearly 4 x the amount of test a normal woman has, congratulations. you're a unique snowflake. why would you apply your own situation to what the majority can achieve?

and with your levels, you're still nothing compared to an average man with low-ish test and aren't going to gain muscle at the same rate. (as if it was easy for men to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time )

If it's not the same as the average man then fine, I guess at some point i'll be taking testosterone injections.

[toodlepip]

My point is from all of this, that people really can't make generalizations about the public as a whole because there are always exceptions.

Yes they can, it's called the 'norm'.

[birdiefu]

LOL. Age has nothing to do with intelligence or common knowledge. I find your ignorance far more amusing than anything, and I'm sorry that you're apparently so bitter that you're 43 and obviously don't have the genetics or body chemistry to be different from the average female population, nor can you change that. Also, you fail to realize (which I admit I never said anything about) that I'm not a body builder who trains solely for aesthetic appeal, I fight on an amateur level in mma and have been training in martial arts for 10 years. Obviously with that information in mind, a normal person would realize that with the amount of cardio involved in mma, it's far more difficult to gain muscle than someone training entirely in weight lifting. Also, with a very generalized rule that women gain 1-1.5 pounds of muscle at a beginning level in lifting (granted their nutrition and workout is suited for body building), 3.5 pounds of muscle in 7 weeks while training in mma 3-5 times a week is far above average. If I was trying to be a cocky bastard and further prove my point, I'd attach a copy of the blood test results that showed that I have nearly 4 times the amount of testosterone in my system that the average woman has. Fortunately I'm not going to be bitter and push the matter any more (or listen to your ignorance for that matter) considering it's not worth fighting with someone on the internet who could very well be an obese, 60 year-old man on the other side of the screen for all I or anyone else knows. Cheers.

Would love to see the DEXA scan results to verify these claims. Not to mention, you just posted a thread just a week ago asking about what kind of muscle gains you could get:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post859836663

Amazing how you can become an expert on such matters in just a week. We hear this kind of stuff ALL THE TIME with girls/women claiming how huge and strong they can get. Come back when you have proof and we will happily believe, but until then GTFO and don't spout off saying how well-respected and knowledgeable members are full of crap and are likely faking their stats.

Negged, and I don't neg often.

[toodlepip]

Lol you all are extremely close minded. I guess that comes with being old and stuck in your ways. Of course there's a norm, duh, but you completely miss my point. Nobody can make stereotypes. You can state the norm, but there will always be exceptions. Logic at work. If we were all the same and set to a certain pattern of rules, the world would be rather dull, now wouldn't it?

Was the 'old and stuck in the ways' comment really necessary?

Yes, I do understand that there are exceptions. Clearly you are one. All people are saying here is saying is that in 99% of the cases X applies. If you are that rare 1%, fine...but most just think they are, that different rules apply to them, because they don't like what they are hearing. It happens on these boards over and over...women claiming they get huge...they gain lean mass so, so fast...in the majority of cases it's simply a case of wee muscles and much more body fat than they like to admit to.

[kimm4]

Was the 'old and stuck in the ways' comment really necessary?

Yes, I do understand that there are exceptions. Clearly you are one. All people are saying here is saying is that in 99% of the cases X applies. If you are that rare 1%, fine...but most just think they are, that different rules apply to them, because they don't like what they are hearing. It happens on these boards over and over...women claiming they get huge...they gain lean mass so, so fast...in the majority of cases it's simply a case of wee muscles and much more body fat than they like to admit to.

Don't feel bad, you could be an obese 60 year old man like me...

I have absolutely nothing to be bitter about. I'm wasting time trying to reason with total newbie who's completely delusional...

Silly me...

[brazilian_girl]

I think OP is unaware that Kimm4 is a well respected personal trainer, and OP would do well to listen to her instead of debating her. Debating Kimm4 just makes you look like an immature imbecile.

I think u should go back and read since the beggining before call people immature imbecile, i never wrote nothing like this to her, i respect her and everybody else from this website that's why i came here for help.
Thanks everyone that came to help me, i appreciated.