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    Clean and Press....and no...not the laundry :)

    I saw Rocky's thread about push presses and thought that I dont see many people doing clean and presses. It is one of my staples for shoulder development all around.

    While some may argue that it is rough on joints, I will say that it has only improved my joint issues and also helped with tight wrist issues.

    I do them from the hip much like in this vid. (with less weight )
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    The lowering of the weight can not be ignored. To me it is all the benefits of upright rows, but the wide hand placement does not stress the shoulder as much.

    What do you guys think?

    Anyone else do um?...if not...give them a shot and let me know what you think.
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    I used to demonstrate hang cleans a lot when I was running the strength program for our high school football program. We never had our linemen go ahead and press it out, though, so I never did that portion of the lift. The hang cleans are a pretty awesome movement for the guys who are in the trenches slugging it out.

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    Originally Posted by induced_drag View Post
    What do you guys think?
    I think it's a great movement.

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    Anyone else do um?
    I do them, but usually with a 2" axle ( not a barbell ).
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    Shot a quick vid. I think my form is probably more geared towards bodybuilding. (wider grip..etc). It is similar to the big dude I posted).

    Knowing I put this thread up was some motivation to try to move a little more weight then usual. I normally dont go this heavy, but wanted to see what it was like. I am wearing the wrist straps cause it is my 4th set and my hands are sweaty. (I dont use chalk in my gym....yea I know...dont want to listen to my wife bitch about the carpet )

    I wanted to at least put on close to bodyweight and give it a shot.... Normally just stay in the 135 range and shoot for 8-10.

    The pressing part is easy... The clean a little harder coming from the hips. I think I could press 225 a few times, but not sure I could clean from the hips.

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    Close as a get is doing french presses for triceps with about 175 and I clean the bar up before the first rep. May try them at some point though.
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    Originally Posted by GnomusMaximus View Post
    Some fun from this afternoon
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    Now that is some hardcore sh!t. Looks pretty cool!

    Originally Posted by 2nd_chance View Post
    Close as a get is doing french presses for triceps with about 175 and I clean the bar up before the first rep. May try them at some point though.
    For me, this is one of the staples of my shoulder routine. There are not many things that can generate the searing pain as a set of 10-12. When you get to where you cant press anymore,... you can do a couple more cleans.

    For me the BEST part of the exercise is the lowering portion. With the wider grip....it is almost like a upright row negative. Have to pop those elbows up quick. As I said, I normally dont do that much weight. With 135, I can really tighten up my form and sear the hell out of my shoulders.
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    I used to do a clean and jerk all the time. Now maybe once or a twice a month. They are great for overall strength or for quick easy dynamic work. My focus now is heavy push presses.

    ID while your form needs a lot of work, it gets the job done. I also don't understand why you are doing it from the hang position, but whatever works for you. I think you'd get more out of it if you started with the weight on the floor. You are better off working up to heaver sets, and not bothering with going up to 10 reps. Cleans are generally done in 3, 2, or 1 rep range, and maybe 5 reps for a warm up.
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    Originally Posted by Korr View Post
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    ID while your form needs a lot of work, it gets the job done. I also don't understand why you are doing it from the hang position, ....
    Yea...that is a little sloppy...but as I said....it is about 50 lbs heavier then I normally go. With 135, my form is much tighter and much less hip swing even... Just trying to hit shoulders as much as possible.

    As for why from the hang position.... For me it is all about trying to hit the shoulders with a small carry-over to tris. Coming from the floor would be too much momentum and I also think it would too much a full body workout. Never really tried them though.....so I should give them a shot first. But I am thinking the leg drive would take a lot away from the shoulders compared to pulling from the hang position.??.
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    Good stuff ID.

    Looks like you are reverse curling the weight up.
    Try keeping it closer to your chest and drive the elbows up.
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    Originally Posted by induced_drag View Post
    Coming from the floor would be too much momentum and I also think it would too much a full body workout. Never really tried them though.....so I should give them a shot first.
    True they are a full body workout.

    For me it is all about trying to hit the shoulders with a small carry-over to tris......(snipped) .......But I am thinking the leg drive would take a lot away from the shoulders compared to pulling from the hang position.??.
    The clean & press is actually 3 moves. The first pull (pulling from the floor to the hang), the second pull (from hang to the rack), and the press.

    By doing them from the hang position it's 2 moves.

    The way you are doing them is leaning over a bit and arm pulling them up to the rack position, which honestly doesn't do much for shoulders. It's more arm and back. Then you push press the weight up, which is where heavy shoulder and tri work comes in.

    At least I understand your reasoning for the hang position now, since you want to mainly hit the shoulders. You should try not to lean over. Stay in a upright position, drive your hips into the bar, and shrug on the bar using your shoulders. Kinda like a shoulder shrug, which turns into a upright row. Only using arm pull at the last second up to the rack position. I tried to find a good tutorial, but youtube is filled with crossfit, or football style hang cleans (bad form).

    [edit] - found a good one, from a lifter I know.

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    Originally Posted by Korr View Post
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    The way you are doing them is leaning over a bit and arm pulling them up to the rack position, which honestly doesn't do much for shoulders. It's more arm and back. Then you push press the weight up, which is where heavy shoulder and tri work comes in.

    At least I understand your reasoning for the hang position now, since you want to mainly hit the shoulders. You should try not to lean over. Stay in a upright position, drive your hips into the bar, and shrug on the bar using your shoulders. Kinda like a shoulder shrug, which turns into a upright row. Only using arm pull at the last second up to the rack position. I tried to find a good tutorial, but youtube is filled with crossfit, or football style hang cleans (bad form).

    [edit] - found a good one, from a lifter I know.
    Thanks man! Great info. And yes I agree 100% about my poor form. It is 100% a factor of using too much weight. When I go in the 135 range, the flip up from the hang position uses much more shoulder. I had to get a little sloppy with those. I'll shoot a vid with lighter weight next time!

    Thanks again!... Guess they might officially be called. "hang" cleans and press
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    Originally Posted by Korr View Post
    True they are a full body workout.



    The clean & press is actually 3 moves. The first pull (pulling from the floor to the hang), the second pull (from hang to the rack), and the press.

    By doing them from the hang position it's 2 moves.

    The way you are doing them is leaning over a bit and arm pulling them up to the rack position, which honestly doesn't do much for shoulders. It's more arm and back. Then you push press the weight up, which is where heavy shoulder and tri work comes in.

    At least I understand your reasoning for the hang position now, since you want to mainly hit the shoulders. You should try not to lean over. Stay in a upright position, drive your hips into the bar, and shrug on the bar using your shoulders. Kinda like a shoulder shrug, which turns into a upright row. Only using arm pull at the last second up to the rack position. I tried to find a good tutorial, but youtube is filled with crossfit, or football style hang cleans (bad form).

    [edit] - found a good one, from a lifter I know.

    great clip, thanks for digging it up
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    I just started doing them a few weeks ago and love them.
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    I usually include the press as part of my warm up complex prior to doing C&J. For example, clean followed by press followed by power jerk and finally split jerk, without putting the bar down.

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    Originally Posted by induced_drag View Post
    I saw Rocky's thread about push presses and thought that I dont see many people doing clean and presses. It is one of my staples for shoulder development all around.

    While some may argue that it is rough on joints, I will say that it has only improved my joint issues and also helped with tight wrist issues.

    I do them from the hip much like in this vid. (with less weight )
    (dude in the vid is a monster)


    The lowering of the weight can not be ignored. To me it is all the benefits of upright rows, but the wide hand placement does not stress the shoulder as much.

    What do you guys think?

    Anyone else do um?...if not...give them a shot and let me know what you think.
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    Originally Posted by induced_drag View Post
    Shot a quick vid. I think my form is probably more geared towards bodybuilding. (wider grip..etc). It is similar to the big dude I posted).

    Knowing I put this thread up was some motivation to try to move a little more weight then usual. I normally dont go this heavy, but wanted to see what it was like. I am wearing the wrist straps cause it is my 4th set and my hands are sweaty. (I dont use chalk in my gym....yea I know...dont want to listen to my wife bitch about the carpet )

    I wanted to at least put on close to bodyweight and give it a shot.... Normally just stay in the 135 range and shoot for 8-10.

    The pressing part is easy... The clean a little harder coming from the hips. I think I could press 225 a few times, but not sure I could clean from the hips.

    New motivation for middle of next week.
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    Great vids yall. Never knew the difference between power clean and full. My shoulders r weak a hell, so if I'm doing power cleans with a challenging weight, 185 or so, its way too much to press. I love the trap and upper back involvement of the clean. Shoulders Ill have to catch up somehow.
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    I love doing the clean and press,it's just too bad that due to the enforcement of rules becoming lax to the point that of agony of the eyes of those watching and the I don't care attitude from the officals that it was removed from competition all under the LIE of "IT"S TO DIFFICULT TO JUDGE"...BULLS*&T even a brain dead oldtimer from the hayday of American liftting(1930's through 50's or so) in the comaward could tell if the press is done right
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    I've always did clean and presses for a long time. I like doing them, gives a herculean look to the body. The guy in the video does them like I do not resting on the chest or shoulders but keeping them locked with the arms.

    I start mine from the floor position go all to press and reverse it all the way to the floor again.
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    ID,
    I do the hang clean and press too when I'm not using a football bar.

    Man you gotta lose those straps; you're not able to bail on olympic style lifts.
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