Due to popular demand... The Ivanko Barbell crew!

[Synthetickiller]

You guys are killing me. I've got some paypal/ebay money sitting around and that 20kg is burning a hole in my browser. Where's the best place to order the OBX-20kg? Ironcompany?

I believe fitnessedgeonline is the go to for ivanko bars. I plan to order my bar from here.

Ironcompany is cheaper by a few bucks due to free shipping. I wonder if anyone can beat them.

[ubernoob]

Ironcompany is cheaper by a few bucks due to free shipping. I wonder if anyone can beat them.

Nope! I checked both and fitnessedgeonline is much cheaper by at least 100 bucks. I have no idea what the hell your search engine came up for but I have been searching for two months now and this is the only one that offers the best deal for the bar .

[Synthetickiller]

Nope! I checked both and fitnessedgeonline is much cheaper by at least 100 bucks. I have no idea what the hell your search engine came up for but I have been searching for two months now and this is the only one that offers the best deal for the bar .

Calm down man. No search engine. I looked up your site.

OBX-20kg on each are as follows:


fitnessedgeonline: $575 + shipping (about 37.80 to my door); so $612.80
http://www.fitnessedgeonline.com/Pro...-20KG&CartID=1

Ironcompany: $605 shipped; about $8 cheaper
http://www.ironcompany.com/olympic7c...x#.Uucq5hDnbuo

Perhaps you have the wrong link? Please provide the link & chill bro. It's not personal here. I'd gladly save $100 if i can.

[aclockworkoi]

Quite the trip for some plates! I've had quite a few long trips. One was to the Outer Banks of North Carolina which I know took over 12hrs one way. It was for an Atlantis combination Leg Ext/Curl. It was one of maybe three trips where we spent the night in a parking lot of either a 24hr grocery store or a Walmart. I remember that one especially because it was the last overnight in the car. My wife said she would never do that again.

The next big trip was to Austin Texas and it was our longest. Although distance wise it wasn't much longer than the trip to North Carolina, we started in the morning with plenty of time and took a couple of breaks to eat (because we already had hotel reservations). That trip took us around 16hrs one way. We were picking up 4 ProStar collegiate half racks with benches on that trip.

My wife's current rules for road trips:

If the trip is long enough to sleep, you sleep in a hotel.
You get as many bathroom breaks as you want.
You can eat whatever you want, even if you are on a diet.

Mind blown that wife puts up with them.

[DamonB82]

Calm down man. No search engine. I looked up your site.

OBX-20kg on each are as follows:


fitnessedgeonline: $575 + shipping (about 37.80 to my door); so $612.80
http://www.fitnessedgeonline.com/Pro...-20KG&CartID=1

Ironcompany: $605 shipped; about $8 cheaper
http://www.ironcompany.com/olympic7c...x#.Uucq5hDnbuo

Perhaps you have the wrong link? Please provide the link & chill bro. It's not personal here. I'd gladly save $100 if i can.

If that's the same fitness edge from eBay, then their eBay price is cheaper.

[Synthetickiller]

If that's the same fitness edge from eBay, then their eBay price is cheaper.

By a lot. Here's the link.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ivanko-20-kg...item1e837de31b

Comes out to be $541.49. Not $100 cheaper, but I'll take $50 + 10 ebay bucks.

[dumb.bell]

Mind blown that wife puts up with them.

We went to get the Leg Ext/Curl for her. We also made a shorter trip into North Carolina for a Bodymaster Smith Machine for her. She has quite a few more machines that were bought for her, some I don't even use.

[DamonB82]

By a lot. Here's the link.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ivanko-20-kg...item1e837de31b

Comes out to be $541.49. Not $100 cheaper, but I'll take $50 + 10 ebay bucks.

Same dealer http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ivanko-20-kg...31055084315%26

[tjlewis10]

Same dealer http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ivanko-20-kg...31055084315%26

Now I want one!!! Hahaha but I have a question guys... What's the difference between the Ivanko OBX20kg and a Cap OB-86? I know the expensive bars are made more precise and maybe better bearings so the sleeves rotate better... But anything else?

[Northernmoris]

Ironcompany is cheaper by a few bucks due to free shipping. I wonder if anyone can beat them.

Nope! I checked both and fitnessedgeonline is much cheaper by at least 100 bucks. I have no idea what the hell your search engine came up for but I have been searching for two months now and this is the only one that offers the best deal for the bar .

Calm down man. No search engine. I looked up your site.

OBX-20kg on each are as follows:


fitnessedgeonline: $575 + shipping (about 37.80 to my door); so $612.80
http://www.fitnessedgeonline.com/Pro...-20KG&CartID=1

Ironcompany: $605 shipped; about $8 cheaper
http://www.ironcompany.com/olympic7c...x#.Uucq5hDnbuo

Perhaps you have the wrong link? Please provide the link & chill bro. It's not personal here. I'd gladly save $100 if i can.

He had a point. Their online store is more expensive. Sounds like you better order the bar before you implode.

[ubernoob]

http://www.ironcompany.com/stainless...x#.UuedF3hOKc0

$1169 with shipping

http://www.fitnessedgeonline.com/mob...ode=OBSNB-20KG

1029 plus 41.50 for shipping.

My apologies I didn't mean to come across like that and I should have specified the specific bar in question to which I was referencing. I am looking at the German needle bearing stainless steel bar. I don't know if it is truly worth spending $1000 plus on a bar but I am curious as to what this bar feels like.

[rlundregan]

Now I want one!!! Hahaha but I have a question guys... What's the difference between the Ivanko OBX20kg and a Cap OB-86? I know the expensive bars are made more precise and maybe better bearings so the sleeves rotate better... But anything else?

The big difference is the quality of the steel that is used. I think the tensile strength of the CAP is something like 125,000 psi, and the tensile strength for the Ivanko is over 200,000 psi.

GarageIron has posted the exact tensile strength of the CAP bar a few times in the forum, but I can never recall exactly what it is.

The other noticeable difference is in the knurling. The Ivanko has much more aggressive knurling, which some guys may not care for. It is great for heavy deadlifts. THe knurling on the CAP is just about right for most people for most other movements.

[tjlewis10]

The big difference is the quality of the steel that is used. I think the tensile strength of the CAP is something like 125,000 psi, and the tensile strength for the Ivanko is over 200,000 psi.

GarageIron has posted the exact tensile strength of the CAP bar a few times in the forum, but I can never recall exactly what it is.

The other noticeable difference is in the knurling. The Ivanko has much more aggressive knurling, which some guys may not care for. It is great for heavy deadlifts. THe knurling on the CAP is just about right for most people for most other movements.

The guy I bought my revolvers from this weekend had a CAP OB-86B and I liked the Knurling on it. It was a little slick but not bad so I was thinking about picking one up. I just have to decide between the OB-86B for $135 or a Hampton IB-86-7CE with a Hampton Ib-49-sce Curl bar for $175.

[thejosef]

There's supposed to be a run of raw bars soon.

I actually emailed Vinko 2 weeks ago to see if they were gonna do another raw bare steel run of the ob-20kg. He said there are no plans at the moment to make any more.

I wonder if we could change his mind with a few pre-orders.. I'd definitely be in. I'm sure it would take 5-10 for them to even consider it, if I had to guess.

[prepremed]

The big difference is the quality of the steel that is used. I think the tensile strength of the CAP is something like 125,000 psi, and the tensile strength for the Ivanko is over 200,000 psi.

GarageIron has posted the exact tensile strength of the CAP bar a few times in the forum, but I can never recall exactly what it is.

The other noticeable difference is in the knurling. The Ivanko has much more aggressive knurling, which some guys may not care for. It is great for heavy deadlifts. THe knurling on the CAP is just about right for most people for most other movements.

Having own both, I'd say the CAP's knurling is more aggressive for sure. The OBX's knurl is more of an Olympic lifting knurl than a super aggressive powerlifting knurl in my opinion.

[Northernmoris]

So is the OBX-20KG worth it? At the moment my bar list is as follows: TPB, Operator bar, Hampton bar... I am confused.

And at this time I'm dumb enough to try and haggle with the guy selling that 800KG set. Fml..

[dumb.bell]

I am looking at the German needle bearing stainless steel bar. I don't know if it is truly worth spending $1000 plus on a bar but I am curious as to what this bar feels like.

On what type of lifts will you be using it?

[Synthetickiller]

http://www.ironcompany.com/stainless...x#.UuedF3hOKc0

$1169 with shipping

http://www.fitnessedgeonline.com/mob...ode=OBSNB-20KG

1029 plus 41.50 for shipping.

My apologies I didn't mean to come across like that and I should have specified the specific bar in question to which I was referencing. I am looking at the German needle bearing stainless steel bar. I don't know if it is truly worth spending $1000 plus on a bar but I am curious as to what this bar feels like.

No problem man. That's why I didn't neg or anything. I figured there was a miscommunication. I did figure out where to get the cheapest price on a 2nd OBX-20kg though, so thank you for that!

Having own both, I'd say the CAP's knurling is more aggressive for sure. The OBX's knurl is more of an Olympic lifting knurl than a super aggressive powerlifting knurl in my opinion.

Thanks & I'll rep after I can spread it around.

What's the width of the center knurling & how snug do Ivanko plates fit on the OB86 bar?


I've never used a bar with such aggressive kurling like how the Cap bar sounds. Makes me wonder what to do. I'd like a bar with more aggressive kurling for squats.

[dumb.bell]

I've never used a bar with such aggressive kurling like how the Cap bar sounds. Makes me wonder what to do. I'd like a bar with more aggressive kurling for squats.

I don't own the CAP OB-86 but I have felt of a few of them, and I will have to agree with rlundregan (few posts up) that the OBX20KG is more aggressive than the CAP on the ones I have felt. In fact prepremed is the first person I've heard with the opposite opinion.

[ubernoob]

On what type of lifts will you be using it?

I am looking for an all purpose bar to be honest, one that could squat, bench, and deadlift primarily. My initial use will be for bench and deadlifts though. I may not use it for squats as I love my rogue power bar.

[rlundregan]

I don't own the CAP OB-86 but I have felt of a few of them, and I will have to agree with rlundregan (few posts up) that the OBX20KG is more aggressive than the CAP on the ones I have felt. In fact prepremed is the first person I've heard with the opposite opinion.

I bought my CAP bar new, and the knurling is not aggressive at all. In fact, it feels just right for most movements.

My Ivanko bar is actually an OB-20KG, and it is an older model (only 1 set of rings). The knurling on it is REALLY deep. I'm not sure, but it could be different from that knurling on a newer OBX. Having said that, Prepremed's statement above is the first of its kind that I have heard as well.

[dumb.bell]

I am looking for an all purpose bar to be honest, one that could squat, bench, and deadlift primarily. My initial use will be for bench and deadlifts though. I may not use it for squats as I love my rogue power bar.

Then I don't think you want the Ivanko Needle bar. It is designed for explosive Olympic lifts such as the Clean & Jerk and the Snatch. You want a bushing bar for the slow lifts (Bench, Squat, and Deadlift).

[dumb.bell]

I bought my CAP bar new, and the knurling is not aggressive at all. In fact, it feels just right for most movements.

My Ivanko bar is actually an OB-20KG, and it is an older model (only 1 set of rings). The knurling on it is REALLY deep. I'm not sure, but it could be different from that knurling on a newer OBX. Having said that, Prepremed's statement above is the first of its kind that I have heard as well.

Your Ivanko may very well be slightly more aggressive the the newer bars. If I remember correctly I read a question from a customer in one of Tom Lincir's articles asking Tom why they changed from the more aggressive knurl on the older bars to the less aggressive on the newer bars. Tom acknowledged that he too preferred the knurl of the older bars. Having said that, my OB-84 should have a more aggressive knurl than my OBX, but I haven't noticed much difference. I assumed this was because my OB-84 had possibly been worn down some over age and my OBX was almost new.

On another topic, I need to find a bar like your OB-20kg. I'm assuming it is the bar between my OB-84 and OBX-20kg. If I'm not wrong it has the more traditional knurl pattern (single ring vs 3 rings) like the OB-84 but it is an OB-20kg and therefore has the newer style sleeve attachment.

[dumb.bell]

I am looking for an all purpose bar to be honest, one that could squat, bench, and deadlift primarily. My initial use will be for bench and deadlifts though. I may not use it for squats as I love my rogue power bar.

If you want an Ivanko Stainless bar, you would want to go with either the OBXS or the OBS. Just like the Black Oxide bars, the X identifies the Power Lifting bar with center knurl. The absence of the X means there is no center knurl. However, unlike the Black Oxide bars which are both 28mm, the OBXS is 29mm while the OBS is still 28mm.

[DamonB82]

On another topic, I need to find a bar like your OB-20kg. I'm assuming it is the bar between my OB-84 and OBX-20kg. If I'm not wrong it has the more traditional knurl pattern like the OB-84 but it is an OB-20kg and therefore has the newer style sleeve attachment.

I've got both obx-20kg and ob-20kg, difference is the center knurl and no center knurl.
Edit: nevermind, your next post said that.

[dumb.bell]

I am looking for an all purpose bar to be honest, one that could squat, bench, and deadlift primarily. My initial use will be for bench and deadlifts though. I may not use it for squats as I love my rogue power bar.

Needle bearings don't always mean it is a better bar, just a faster bar, or a bar for explosive lifts. They tend to me more expensive because they are more expensive to make. I've heard it said that a needle bearing bar used for Power Lifting wouldn't hold up as well as a bushing bar of the same quality, but I don't know if that is true.

[dumb.bell]

I've got both obx-20kg and ob-20kg, difference is the center knurl and no center knurl.

I probably worded what I was trying to say poorly. I wasn't trying to point out differences in an OB and an OBX but the differences in and older and newer version of the OB/OBXs. His bar is older and doesn't have what we refer to as the Ivanko ring pattern (three rings per side). I think that is true of both the OB and OBX in that time frame.

[ubernoob]

If you want an Ivanko Stainless bar, you would want to go with either the OBXS or the OBS. Just like the Black Oxide bars, the X identifies the Power Lifting bar with center knurl. The absence of the X means there is no center knurl. However, unlike the Black Oxide bars which are both 28mm, the OBXS is 29mm while the OBS is still 28mm.

Thanks, this will help me narrow it down to either the stainless OBS or the black oxide (either one) as I want the 28 mm bar. Rep on recharge!

[Synthetickiller]

I don't own the CAP OB-86 but I have felt of a few of them, and I will have to agree with rlundregan (few posts up) that the OBX20KG is more aggressive than the CAP on the ones I have felt. In fact prepremed is the first person I've heard with the opposite opinion.

Thanks & repped.

I guess the question would be, is there a better overall bar than the OBX-20kg?

[dumb.bell]

@ubernoob

The following is a question and answer with Tom Lincir regarding Olympic Lifting bars from one of his articles and you will see that he is not to keen on bearing bars even in that application.

Q: What are the substantive differences between a needle bearing bar and a bar with bushings. Is the needle bearing bar worth the extra cost? - J.B, California.


In my opinion, roller or needle bearings are just a gimmick. To my knowledge, the first person to make a bearing bar was Andy Jackson of the Jackson Barbell Company back in the 1940’s. A copy of the original blue prints are in the collection of the Ivanko Historical Society. Years later, when bearing bars were first used in International Competition, several lifters dislocated their shoulders.
What really made think about this was when I was displaying our stainless steel Olympic Bar with needle bearings (OBSNB) at the FIBO trade show in Germany, and a lot of old time Olympic lifters came up to me to tell me how much they disliked this sort of bar and wanted to be assured that they could still obtain bushing bars from Ivanko. In fact, one lifter, who was awarded a silver medal in the Olympics, thought needle bearing bars caused the plates to spin too much.
The lifters I’ve talked to have felt that a bushing bar gave just the correct amount of spin. When the bar was overhead, the plates didn’t keep spinning. And if you think about it for a second, a bearing is supposed to be for high RPM (Revolutions Per Minute) applications and a bushing for lower RPM applications. Bushings with the correct fit and tolerance are the ideal. A bearing simply isn’t the right thing for an Olympic bar. But a bushing is the perfect thing. You really only need to spin the bar for about one-half a turn so why would you want to put a needle bearing in a bar that doesn’t ever get full (or fast) rotation?
Even if bearings did help you lift more, why is this a good thing? How many people who buy Olympic bars are competitive lifters vs. those who just want to improve their strength for their particular sport? A good bushing bar will probably outlast a bearing bar. The use of bearings is the use of technology for the sake of marketing hype. In all my years of collecting antique barbells and equipment, I’ve never seen a bushing bar wear out.
Remember this: No one ever got stronger by making the lift easier.
So why does Ivanko make a needle bearing bar? Did we fall for the hype ourselves? Are we proffering a gimmick? I think we make the best needle-bearing bar on the market. No one comes close to putting in the time to do it right like we do.
I was discussing this fact in general a while ago with an old friend of mine who was a long time Eleiko dealer. Sometimes you make concessions to the market. I’m pleased that we’ve made very few. But sometimes it’s better to give people what they want than to try to educate them and make them smart.