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01-27-2014, 07:29 PM #1951
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01-27-2014, 07:58 PM #1953
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Calm down man. No search engine. I looked up your site.
OBX-20kg on each are as follows:
fitnessedgeonline: $575 + shipping (about 37.80 to my door); so $612.80
http://www.fitnessedgeonline.com/Pro...-20KG&CartID=1
Ironcompany: $605 shipped; about $8 cheaper
http://www.ironcompany.com/olympic7c...x#.Uucq5hDnbuo
Perhaps you have the wrong link? Please provide the link & chill bro. It's not personal here. I'd gladly save $100 if i can.Crews: Ivanko Barbell Crew #52, York Barbell Club #95, Equipment Crew #59
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01-27-2014, 08:05 PM #1954
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01-27-2014, 08:23 PM #1956
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By a lot. Here's the link.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ivanko-20-kg...item1e837de31b
Comes out to be $541.49. Not $100 cheaper, but I'll take $50 + 10 ebay bucks.Crews: Ivanko Barbell Crew #52, York Barbell Club #95, Equipment Crew #59
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01-27-2014, 08:29 PM #1957
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01-27-2014, 08:31 PM #1958
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01-27-2014, 09:50 PM #1959
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01-28-2014, 02:04 AM #1960
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01-28-2014, 04:08 AM #1961
http://www.ironcompany.com/stainless...x#.UuedF3hOKc0
$1169 with shipping
http://www.fitnessedgeonline.com/mob...ode=OBSNB-20KG
1029 plus 41.50 for shipping.
My apologies I didn't mean to come across like that and I should have specified the specific bar in question to which I was referencing. I am looking at the German needle bearing stainless steel bar. I don't know if it is truly worth spending $1000 plus on a bar but I am curious as to what this bar feels like.Continually searching for that elusive runners high!
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01-28-2014, 05:08 AM #1962
The big difference is the quality of the steel that is used. I think the tensile strength of the CAP is something like 125,000 psi, and the tensile strength for the Ivanko is over 200,000 psi.
GarageIron has posted the exact tensile strength of the CAP bar a few times in the forum, but I can never recall exactly what it is.
The other noticeable difference is in the knurling. The Ivanko has much more aggressive knurling, which some guys may not care for. It is great for heavy deadlifts. THe knurling on the CAP is just about right for most people for most other movements.[]---[] Ivanko Barbell Crew #29 []---[]
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01-28-2014, 06:20 AM #1963
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The guy I bought my revolvers from this weekend had a CAP OB-86B and I liked the Knurling on it. It was a little slick but not bad so I was thinking about picking one up. I just have to decide between the OB-86B for $135 or a Hampton IB-86-7CE with a Hampton Ib-49-sce Curl bar for $175.
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01-28-2014, 06:31 AM #1964
I actually emailed Vinko 2 weeks ago to see if they were gonna do another raw bare steel run of the ob-20kg. He said there are no plans at the moment to make any more.
I wonder if we could change his mind with a few pre-orders.. I'd definitely be in. I'm sure it would take 5-10 for them to even consider it, if I had to guess.Equipment Crew #68, Ivanko Crew #47, Rogue Barbell Club #7, Mech6 Crew #30
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01-28-2014, 07:30 AM #1966
So is the OBX-20KG worth it? At the moment my bar list is as follows: TPB, Operator bar, Hampton bar... I am confused.
And at this time I'm dumb enough to try and haggle with the guy selling that 800KG set. Fml..▪██─────██▪ Ivanko Barbell Crew #3 ▪██─────██▪
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01-28-2014, 08:25 AM #1967
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01-28-2014, 08:36 AM #1968
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No problem man. That's why I didn't neg or anything. I figured there was a miscommunication. I did figure out where to get the cheapest price on a 2nd OBX-20kg though, so thank you for that!
Thanks & I'll rep after I can spread it around.
What's the width of the center knurling & how snug do Ivanko plates fit on the OB86 bar?
I've never used a bar with such aggressive kurling like how the Cap bar sounds. Makes me wonder what to do. I'd like a bar with more aggressive kurling for squats.Crews: Ivanko Barbell Crew #52, York Barbell Club #95, Equipment Crew #59
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BP: 392x1 (pause bench, raw)
DL: 500x1 (suit bottoms, no belt)
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01-28-2014, 08:47 AM #1969
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I don't own the CAP OB-86 but I have felt of a few of them, and I will have to agree with rlundregan (few posts up) that the OBX20KG is more aggressive than the CAP on the ones I have felt. In fact prepremed is the first person I've heard with the opposite opinion.
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01-28-2014, 08:50 AM #1970
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01-28-2014, 08:55 AM #1971
I bought my CAP bar new, and the knurling is not aggressive at all. In fact, it feels just right for most movements.
My Ivanko bar is actually an OB-20KG, and it is an older model (only 1 set of rings). The knurling on it is REALLY deep. I'm not sure, but it could be different from that knurling on a newer OBX. Having said that, Prepremed's statement above is the first of its kind that I have heard as well.[]---[] Ivanko Barbell Crew #29 []---[]
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01-28-2014, 08:57 AM #1972
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01-28-2014, 09:05 AM #1973
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Your Ivanko may very well be slightly more aggressive the the newer bars. If I remember correctly I read a question from a customer in one of Tom Lincir's articles asking Tom why they changed from the more aggressive knurl on the older bars to the less aggressive on the newer bars. Tom acknowledged that he too preferred the knurl of the older bars. Having said that, my OB-84 should have a more aggressive knurl than my OBX, but I haven't noticed much difference. I assumed this was because my OB-84 had possibly been worn down some over age and my OBX was almost new.
On another topic, I need to find a bar like your OB-20kg. I'm assuming it is the bar between my OB-84 and OBX-20kg. If I'm not wrong it has the more traditional knurl pattern (single ring vs 3 rings) like the OB-84 but it is an OB-20kg and therefore has the newer style sleeve attachment.Last edited by dumb.bell; 01-28-2014 at 10:13 AM.
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01-28-2014, 09:11 AM #1974
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If you want an Ivanko Stainless bar, you would want to go with either the OBXS or the OBS. Just like the Black Oxide bars, the X identifies the Power Lifting bar with center knurl. The absence of the X means there is no center knurl. However, unlike the Black Oxide bars which are both 28mm, the OBXS is 29mm while the OBS is still 28mm.
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01-28-2014, 09:17 AM #1975
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01-28-2014, 09:18 AM #1976
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Needle bearings don't always mean it is a better bar, just a faster bar, or a bar for explosive lifts. They tend to me more expensive because they are more expensive to make. I've heard it said that a needle bearing bar used for Power Lifting wouldn't hold up as well as a bushing bar of the same quality, but I don't know if that is true.
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01-28-2014, 09:22 AM #1977
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I probably worded what I was trying to say poorly. I wasn't trying to point out differences in an OB and an OBX but the differences in and older and newer version of the OB/OBXs. His bar is older and doesn't have what we refer to as the Ivanko ring pattern (three rings per side). I think that is true of both the OB and OBX in that time frame.
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01-28-2014, 09:27 AM #1978
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01-28-2014, 09:43 AM #1979
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01-28-2014, 09:44 AM #1980
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@ubernoob
The following is a question and answer with Tom Lincir regarding Olympic Lifting bars from one of his articles and you will see that he is not to keen on bearing bars even in that application.
Q: What are the substantive differences between a needle bearing bar and a bar with bushings. Is the needle bearing bar worth the extra cost? - J.B, California.
In my opinion, roller or needle bearings are just a gimmick. To my knowledge, the first person to make a bearing bar was Andy Jackson of the Jackson Barbell Company back in the 1940’s. A copy of the original blue prints are in the collection of the Ivanko Historical Society. Years later, when bearing bars were first used in International Competition, several lifters dislocated their shoulders.
What really made think about this was when I was displaying our stainless steel Olympic Bar with needle bearings (OBSNB) at the FIBO trade show in Germany, and a lot of old time Olympic lifters came up to me to tell me how much they disliked this sort of bar and wanted to be assured that they could still obtain bushing bars from Ivanko. In fact, one lifter, who was awarded a silver medal in the Olympics, thought needle bearing bars caused the plates to spin too much.
The lifters I’ve talked to have felt that a bushing bar gave just the correct amount of spin. When the bar was overhead, the plates didn’t keep spinning. And if you think about it for a second, a bearing is supposed to be for high RPM (Revolutions Per Minute) applications and a bushing for lower RPM applications. Bushings with the correct fit and tolerance are the ideal. A bearing simply isn’t the right thing for an Olympic bar. But a bushing is the perfect thing. You really only need to spin the bar for about one-half a turn so why would you want to put a needle bearing in a bar that doesn’t ever get full (or fast) rotation?
Even if bearings did help you lift more, why is this a good thing? How many people who buy Olympic bars are competitive lifters vs. those who just want to improve their strength for their particular sport? A good bushing bar will probably outlast a bearing bar. The use of bearings is the use of technology for the sake of marketing hype. In all my years of collecting antique barbells and equipment, I’ve never seen a bushing bar wear out.
Remember this: No one ever got stronger by making the lift easier.
So why does Ivanko make a needle bearing bar? Did we fall for the hype ourselves? Are we proffering a gimmick? I think we make the best needle-bearing bar on the market. No one comes close to putting in the time to do it right like we do.
I was discussing this fact in general a while ago with an old friend of mine who was a long time Eleiko dealer. Sometimes you make concessions to the market. I’m pleased that we’ve made very few. But sometimes it’s better to give people what they want than to try to educate them and make them smart.▪█─────█▪ Equipment Crew #39 ▪█─────█▪
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