Anyone have experience with both L-Citrulline and Citrulline Malate?

[anonymous]

Bodybuilding.com does not sell Citrulline Malate in tablets or capsules.. However they do in L-Citrulline, has anyone used both for a comparison... Most studies use CM and not LC just wondering what the general belief is..

[poison]

Both are good, but the malate portion is an intermediate in the Krebs cycle, I would go with that.

[rhadam]

I've not noticed better training when switching from one to the other. Both seem to perform about the same.

[vegravelsesnatt]

I've used both.

2g of L-citrulline had about the same effect as 4g citrulline mallate in my experience.

[PaleVein]

I've not noticed better training when switching from one to the other. Both seem to perform about the same.

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I'll add it's probably my favourite supp as of late.

[rhadam]

This.

I'll add it's probably my favourite supp as of late.

Agreed, i think Cit Mal is highly underrated. Since i rarely take pre workouts, 6g of CM along with creatine (green bulge) and agmatine... i get a fantastic workout.

[snorkelman]

Agreed, i think Cit Mal is highly underrated.

Having taken cit mal in higher doses (than is in Xtend) for about a month, I am disillusioned. I think I wasted my money. If I continue down this road, it may be with cirtulline rather than citmal.

The banned MrCooper69 and I had a discussion about this a little while ago and he recommended using NOW L-Citrulline caps, dosed 4 caps 1 hour pre-cardio or 45 minutes pre-resistance training.

[rhadam]

Having taken cit mal in higher doses (than is in Xtend) for about a month, I am disillusioned. I think I wasted my money. If I continue down this road, it may be with cirtulline rather than citmal.

The banned MrCooper69 and I had a discussion about this a little while ago and he recommended using NOW L-Citrulline caps, dosed 4 caps 1 hour pre-cardio or 45 minutes pre-resistance training.

I may be encouraged to give straight Citrulline a try again, the company i got it from originally has had... issues... with purity. I am surprised at coopers time assessment, from what i've read (studies) they've said 15 minutes pre bout for ingestion. I may need to pull some stuff up and re-check.

[poison]

I'm not sure why you would take the effort to source pure l-citrulline. Most studies use citrulline malate, and most companies choose to use citrulline malate. MAX uses l-citrulline, but they added malate elsewhere in the formula.

[anonymous]

I'm not sure why you would take the effort to source pure l-citrulline. Most studies use citrulline malate, and most companies choose to use citrulline malate. MAX uses l-citrulline, but they added malate elsewhere in the formula.

Did you not read my post, all I can find is L-Citrulline, I cannot find Citrulline Malate thats why I am asking if they are comparable...

[Xist1985]

I'm not sure why you would take the effort to source pure l-citrulline. Most studies use citrulline malate, and most companies choose to use citrulline malate. MAX uses l-citrulline, but they added malate elsewhere in the formula.

And just what is the purpose of malate? it can be an intermediate, sure, but i can supplement intermediates of anything. i need evidence that the malate actually does something, and this evidence is lacking

[poison]

Did you not read my post, all I can find is L-Citrulline, I cannot find Citrulline Malate thats why I am asking if they are comparable...

I was more addressing rhadam than you.

Bb.com is oos?

[poison]

And just what is the purpose of malate? it can be an intermediate, sure, but i can supplement intermediates of anything. i need evidence that the malate actually does something, and this evidence is lacking

Until they do the bench press study with ure l-citrulline...

http://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/Ab...aerobic.9.aspx

But yeah, I definitely recommend using the substance they DID NOT use in the study to achieve the excellent results.

Lol

[snorkelman]

Until they do the bench press study with ure l-citrulline...

http://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/Ab...aerobic.9.aspx

Let's not get too excited here. That is the only study out there (the finger flexion one doesn't count) that shows CM is effective in a context relevant to athletic goals. Of course, it was a short duration (2 week study period) and the full text of the paper has a strange absence of disclosure as to who funded the study. This may be a start for a foundation, but hardly solid proof of CM's effectiveness.

[poison]

Let's not get too excited here. That is the only study out there (the finger flexion one doesn't count) that shows CM is effective in a context relevant to athletic goals. Of course, it was a short duration (2 week study period) and the full text of the paper has a strange absence of disclosure as to who funded the study. This may be a start for a foundation, but hardly solid proof of CM's effectiveness.

Who asked for proof, or where did I say it was proof? Point is the op wanted to know which to use, and I provided more than the 'i like it, felt x' justification. But since we're doing that: I've been using cm since 2001 or so, whenever SAN Ox came out. I eventually switched to 1 fast 400 bilk stuff, or other sources, but suffice it to say citrulline, imo, as well as in the above study, is one of the best legal performance enhanicing substances around, next to creatine, etc.

As for who funded the study, is there a patent on cm?

[Xist1985]

And I quote:

"Citrulline Malate/l-citrulline: Speaking of obscure enzymatic pathways, citrulline certainly encapsulates such. With respect to endogenously formed nitric oxide (i.e. formed from arginine by endothelial nitric oxide synthase), citrulline basically shifts equilibrium in your body favorably for nitric oxide production, something oral arginine does not do. For the first time, in Janurary, 2008, Schwedhelm et al. found that oral l-citrulline increased NO-dependent vasodilatation in healthy adults. (4) Of course there are some issues with their design regarding relevance, especially with mean subject age being 57, but perhaps I will delve into a real analysis another time. For now, we’ll keep it there. As a less questionable function or l-citrulline, it augments bicarbonate reabsorption in the renal system (kidneys), which means it can indirectly attenuate acidity (therein decrease soreness) in skeletal muscle. (6) Note that this has nothing to do with “the lactic acid buildup brah!!!111”. This property, decreasing muscle soreness during exercise, is apparent in the relevant research. (5)

As for extraneous ergogenic properties of malate without citrulline, the focus is on a biological process called an anaplerotic reaction. Speculation respects ATP production with malate as an intermediary, but it goes in the pseudoscience vault until more research shows up.

Now, the main issue here with citrulline is the dose (ranging from 3g l-citrulline to 8g cit-mal, 2:1 cit:mal in the relevant research) and prop blends don’t make the buyer’s job any easier. Unfortunately, it’s really a trial and error thing, and if you’re an experienced pre-workout product user, you’ll know when it’s under-dosed and you’ll know when it’s not."

[poison]

Until recently, citrulline itself went in the pseudoscience vault.