a question that i need help with

[champion2020]

i wanted to know in general is a "calorie" a calorie no matter the source? what im trying to get at is that if i were to eat 2500 calories worth of cookies or on the other hand eat 2500 calories of nothing but chicken and veggies would my body have the same look? obviously cookies and chicken and veggies dont have the same macros. but if for some reason if i could hit my macros within the 2500 calories of cookies would my body look the same? i know this doesnt make sense but its the best example i can come up with.

and also if i were to be cutting and be in a deficit without the addition of cardio. when i add cardio will the calorie deficit be to huge for my body? lets say i am at a 500 deficit without doing cardio, and if i do cardio with the same calories i am about 1200 calorie deficit. would this be too much? is it best to add calories to have the deficit around a certain point?

[krete77]

calories are calories..but don't do that bro. your asking for some serious health risks...

[-Michelangelo-]

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...a-calorie.html

Read that ^

Your welcome

[msm00b]

A calorie = a calorie (in terms of raw energy).

A gram of carbs =/= a gram of protein
A gram of fat =/= a gram of carbs
A gram of protein =/= a gram of fat

And none of the above even get down to the nitty gritty of micronutrients.

Point is, though a calorie of energy = a calorie of energy, not all sources of energy are equal and your body has more requirements than 'calories'.

(PS: and I doubt you're going to like what you see by going on a strict cookie diet)

[champion2020]

A calorie = a calorie (in terms of raw energy).

A gram of carbs =/= a gram of protein
A gram of fat =/= a gram of carbs
A gram of protein =/= a gram of fat

And none of the above even get down to the nitty gritty of micronutrients.

Point is, though a calorie of energy = a calorie of energy, not all sources of energy are equal and your body has more requirements than 'calories'.

(PS: and I doubt you're going to like what you see by going on a strict cookie diet)

lol. im not going on a cookie diet

[NARMAK]

a calorie is a calorie no matter where it comes from as said above but when training, you adjust your macronutrients, e.g. Protein, Carbohydrates and Fats in the correct ratio for your own training goals and lifestlyle. The main reason in doing so is to make sure you get the right results whether losing fat or when you decide to gain weight (muscle).

Hope that helps and welcome to the forum

[jarhead89x]

It takes 30 calories just to digest 100 kcals of protein.
But only 5 kcals to digest 100 calories of carbs.

[msm00b]

It takes 30 calories just to digest 100 kcals of protein.
But only 5 kcals to digest 100 calories of carbs.

I wouldn't take those values to the bank.

[jarhead89x]

I wouldn't take those values to the bank.

Hmm, found it on the interwebs from a "Doctor" so I assumed it was real life.

[chudude]

A calorie is a unit measure of energy, specifically how much energy it takes to increase the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1 degree Celsius. In terms of your body, most of the energy used eventually generates heat, which is why we measure our energy intake by this, calories. Everything in our body needs some sort of energy to perform function, we call it the basal metabolic rate, which is how many calories minimally we need just to live vitally. So this is why all foods are measured in calories: it's how many calories that are present to metabolize into energy and heat.


However, just because ALL foods are measured in calories doesn't mean you should take in 2500 or X amount of calories just to get to that number. Your body needs other things: nutrients, specifically MACRONUTRIENTS.. These are most commonly known as carbohydrates, lipids (fats), and proteins. We need that some sort of balance of essential macronutrients in our bodies for us to function properly. It's why you shouldn't just eat solely all cookies, because that just contains carbs and fats, but no proteins, and protein is essential for amino acids: crucial molecules you'll need to perform basic things around the body. And that goes for carbs and fats too.

So no, you can't actually hit your macros with just cookies. Need to add in the protein as well. I mean think about all the other things that veggies, fruits, and natural good old meat has that go even beyond macronutrients: vitamins, antioxidants, potassium, iron, calcium, etc. You need all that crap in your body, and I wont go into why mainly cause I dont really know. But it goes way beyond macronutrients because there's many other benefits to eating all that other stuff to add to your body.

Food pyramid bro, gotta get all of a little something here and there, and get all the nutrition you need for a healthy, baller body whether it be bulking/recomping/cutting.

[jarhead89x]

but say there were two of the same person, multiverse or something.

If person A and person B were both on a calorie deficit and also consumed the same amount of calories, but person A consumed more protein than carbs and person B consumed more carbs than proteins, would they both lose the same amount of weight and at the same time?

[chudude]

And for your cardio question...dude I dont know haha. Its why cardio is a little tricky when it comes to adding it to dieting, lotta people tend to want to factor in "calories burned" so then they can add more calories to eat, and then b***ch about how they're not losing fast enough when there's a chance it may be because you're allowing for an easy opportunity to cheat with that plan....


What's wrong with sticking to dieting and lifting? It's the formula around here at BB. No need for cardio because you'll lose your fat mass simply by eating less calories, lifting three times a week to maintain/build more Lean Body Mass, and eating (with veggies and fruits) to meet macros. Plus let me ask you something, what's with the cardio? You training your body for a marathon or something? You an athlete? You dont need to waste time burning your fat yourself when you have fats that'll burn itself if youre in a calorie deficit that day.

Do yourself a favor and build muscle instead.

[chudude]

but say there were two of the same person, multiverse or something.

If person A and person B were both on a calorie deficit and also consumed the same amount of calories, but person A consumed more protein than carbs and person B consumed more carbs than proteins, would they both lose the same amount of weight and at the same time?

Hmm, based on my sh***y knowledge of nutrition, I'd say you'd probably lose more LBS of FAT consuming more protein than carbs, and here's my reasoning alone.

Fat and fat burning replaces carbohydrates as an energy source when you're cutting, so in a sense you get away with eating less carbs because Fat replaces those carbs you arent eating, and your own fats will provide energy.

The reason we need to have carbohydrates (ex. glucose) in our diet is because its the main provider of energy. Glucose broken down leads to ATP, which is what our cells use for function. Fat is fat storage of this energy (ex. glycogen). When FAT is broken down by organs in our body (glycogen ---> glucose), it becomes carbohydrates, and then in turn can be used for energy.

Protein however deals with other things like muscle structure, cell structure, enzymes, ligands, hormones...blah blah blah, but they aren't used for energy, but it's why it's essential in diet. That's why BB Nutrition threads say Protein is more crucial in a low calorie intake.

See now it'd be faster for said Person A than Person B because while Person A is adding more carbs and more energy for the body to expend, Person B is using his own fat to burn itself and be used.

Or I'm just full of s**t. I need to study harder..

[jarhead89x]

Nah, bro. I don't know jack about nutrients, but that sounds pretty point on.

[AlwaysTryin]

but say there were two of the same person, multiverse or something.

If person A and person B were both on a calorie deficit and also consumed the same amount of calories, but person A consumed more protein than carbs and person B consumed more carbs than proteins, would they both lose the same amount of weight and at the same time?

The TEF difference would be minimal at best as it's not a comparison of 2000 calories of protein vs 2000 of carbs.

Don't worry about TEF