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    Originally Posted by JerseySwell View Post
    These guys are just messing with you for some reason. You can get carbs from potatoes, fruits, and some vegis. When they say you need to cut calories to do a lean bulk, they're on crack. You can lean bulk with a 500 calorie surplus as long as its coming from the proper foods. Calories are not just calories. 1000 cals from burger king is much different than 1000 cals from lean chicken, yams, and broccoli. Idk why it's so hard for people to get honest, educated help around here.
    THANK YOU finally someone that gets me..
    So what good lean carbs do you suggest?
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    Originally Posted by zAsics View Post
    THANK YOU finally someone that gets me..
    So what good lean carbs do you suggest?
    Lol clearly you're a troll

    You listen to the one guy talking smack

    A 500 cal surplus from "proper food" is the same as a 500 cal surplus from skittles
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    Originally Posted by zAsics View Post
    Well, what will be the best carb source to get my macro's from? considering im an endomorph and i want to stay lean as possible?
    What ever fits your macro's. Its not hard.

    Eat cake for your carb source if you can fit it in your macros.

    A clean bulk doesn't mean eating "healthy" foods... It means only increasing your calories by around 300 to minimize fat gains.
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    IF you're lean enough, some carb sources will show on you differently than others.

    Food source can have more effect than just calorie in some circumstances. You may find that certain foods bloat or dehydrate you for the same calorie/carb count (watch Na/K contents too). Bioavailability can also play a part as some foods are harder for the body to extract the cho. For example, eating a raw white potato will digest differently than a baked one (some of it won't digest at all actually) and so net cho will be different. Asparagus vs skittles would be another good comparison as skittles do not generally have the diuretic quality. A carb is a carb is a carb but the source can influence/affect beyond just caloric factors (water retention, allergic/inflammatory responses, satiety, etc).

    For most people though, the differences are not significant enough to consider.
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    Originally Posted by JerseySwell View Post
    These guys are just messing with you for some reason. You can get carbs from potatoes, fruits, and some vegis. When they say you need to cut calories to do a lean bulk, they're on crack. You can lean bulk with a 500 calorie surplus as long as its coming from the proper foods. Calories are not just calories. 1000 cals from burger king is much different than 1000 cals from lean chicken, yams, and broccoli. Idk why it's so hard for people to get honest, educated help around here.

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    Please explain to me how 1000 calories from burger king are different from 1000 calories from lean chicken, yams and broccoli if bot these foods have the same macro and micro content.
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    Please explain to me how 1000 calories from burger king are different from 1000 calories from lean chicken, yams and broccoli if both these foods have the same macro and micro content.
    IF they matched content it would be the same, but they won't. For one look at the sodium. for two look at saturated fat vs mono/poly (what about trans fats?). Look at vitamin content. Basically keep looking.... In general it may not show and may not be significant but there is a difference.
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    Originally Posted by cmoore View Post
    IF they matched content it would be the same, but they won't. For one look at the sodium. for two look at saturated fat vs mono/poly (what about trans fats?). Look at vitamin content. Basically keep looking.... In general it may not show and may not be significant but there is a difference.
    Thank you! Some people argu that macros are macros or calories are calories. Fast food comes with a lot of baggage and so does a lot of "dirty foods". Let's say that skittles had the carbs that he wanted, then he will be also gettin all that sugar and crap that is also in there. Maybe it's just me but I like to get my macros from a clean, untampered source rather than a processed source. Half the ingredients in some shakes can't even be explained or pronounced. But chicken is very straight forward. I know he just wanted to get advice on where he can obtain carbs, and some answers are true but probably not what he is looking for. And btw, how am I being a troll when the op appreciates my response?
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    Originally Posted by zAsics View Post
    Finally people who talk sense
    I hope you're trolling, because the alternative would be sad as you're actively avoiding advice from those that are knowledgeable yet you are gravitating towards the recommendations of those that are clearly clueless.
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    Originally Posted by WonderPug View Post
    I hope you're trolling, because the alternative would be sad as you're actively avoiding advice from those that are knowledgeable yet you are gravitating towards the recommendations of those that are clearly clueless.
    Meh. Any plan taken purely at face value will provide mediocre results. IIFYM works but one must pay attention to their own physiological responses to get the most out of it too. Allergiic and inflammatory response are very real and at the very least can change your water retention. Similarly vitamin and mineral surplus/deficiency will affect performance. If you're buttered over and or out of shape, you just might not see it or benefit from the OCD. YMMV. There are no absolutes.

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    Originally Posted by cmoore View Post
    Meh. Any plan taken purely at face value will provide mediocre results. IIFYM works but one must pay attention to their own physiological responses to get the most out of it too. Allergiic and inflammatory response are very real and at the very least can change your water retention. Similarly vitamin and mineral surplus/deficiency will affect performance. If you're buttered over and or out of shape, you just might not see it or benefit from the OCD. YMMV. There are no absolutes.
    FYI: A carbohydrate is a saccharide (a monosaccharide, disaccharide, oligosaccharide or polysaccharide) that contains no vitamins or minerals.
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    Originally Posted by cmoore View Post
    Meh. Any plan taken purely at face value will provide mediocre results. IIFYM works but one must pay attention to their own physiological responses to get the most out of it too. Allergiic and inflammatory response are very real and at the very least can change your water retention. Similarly vitamin and mineral surplus/deficiency will affect performance. If you're buttered over and or out of shape, you just might not see it or benefit from the OCD. YMMV. There are no absolutes.

    Good luck with your goals in 2012 OP.
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    Originally Posted by WonderPug View Post
    FYI: A carbohydrate is a saccharide (a monosaccharide, disaccharide, oligosaccharide or polysaccharide) that contains no vitamins or minerals.
    Go ahead and make me troll if it makes you feel better. We're talking carb sources and you know what I mean. Not even Alan Aragon would advise you to eat a diet of only whey, lard, and skittles (but it could fit your macros).
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    Originally Posted by cmoore View Post
    Not even Alan Aragon would advise you to eat a diet of only whey, lard, and skittles (but it could fit your macros).
    I see you're not going to engage in anything approaching a serious debate.

    Originally Posted by cmoore View Post
    If you're buttered over and or out of shape, you just might not see it or benefit from the OCD.
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    Originally Posted by cmoore View Post
    Not even Alan Aragon would advise you to eat a diet of only whey, lard, and skittles (but it could fit your macros).
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    according to pug's wisdom, if you enjoy those and they fit your macros, he will sign off on it
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    Originally Posted by jj764865 View Post
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    according to pug's wisdom, if you enjoy those and they fit your macros, he will sign off on it
    Perhaps you've missed the hundreds, probably thousands of posts, where he advocates a diverse diet that ensures micronutrient sufficiency, and is heavy on whole and less processed foods?

    Do you realize there are other alternatives to pointless orthorexia besides "anything goes"...?
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    Originally Posted by jj764865 View Post
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    according to pug's wisdom, if you enjoy those and they fit your macros, he will sign off on it
    Dead wrong, but you know this because you're simply trolling and offering advice to folks that you know is dead wrong, such as:

    Originally Posted by jj764865 View Post
    eat this all day every day as much as you want at anytime....put the following in a crockpot each day:

    -1 cup lentils
    -2 cups water
    -1 16oz bag frozen broccoli
    -as many chicken breasts as you want

    If too bland for you, then add hot sauce to taste.

    Guaranteed you will drop fat at a very steady rate.
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    Originally Posted by WonderPug View Post
    I see you're not going to engage in anything approaching a serious debate.

    But at least you're offing some humor.
    Look I eat IIFYM, but I have found certain food sources for the same macros do better for me and my goals. All I advise the OP is to pay attention to his macros and sources and watch his body's response. I think he will find some foods suit him better than others for the same macro.

    Rand-some football players would be considered out of shape for bodybuilding, which is what this site is about. Eat/train for your goals
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    Look I eat IIFYM, but I have found certain food sources for the same macros do better for me and my goals. All I advise the OP is to pay attention to his macros and sources and watch his body's response. I think he will find some foods suit him better than others for the same macro.
    So you advise the OP to employ the methods described by IIFYM's (which simply the long-held concept of DCA, renamed).
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    Originally Posted by WonderPug View Post
    So you advise the OP to employ the methods described by IIFYM's (which simply the long-held concept of DCA, renamed).
    My posts are not anti-IIFYM. Perhaps you read them that way but they are not. If there is something in my posts above where that was interpreted that way then it was a mistake on either my part or the reader.
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    Originally Posted by PBateman2 View Post
    Skittles, Sour Patch Kids, potatoes, and rice.
    That's a tasty list for sure.
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    some of the food which is rich in carbs:
    Cereal, Grains
    Bread
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    My current bulking carb sources: Pop Tarts, cereal, vegetables, fruit, and ice cream.
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