ive heard that chest wise, it goes dumbbells > barbell > smith/machines for bench press..
is this true?
the facts backing it up is dumbbells recruit more muscle fibers, use more stabilization muscles and have a greater ROM.. which sounds logical
the thing i cant get my head around is, and this is most likely gonna sound really dumb..
dumbbell bench is apparently better for building mass on chest, rather than say a barbell, yet the weights are lighter? e.g. i can bench 85kg with a barbell, yet max 28kg per dumbbell per arm, which is 56kg in total?
the only thing i could thnk of with using more muscle fibres in your chest would that it would just develop a more full chest..?
yet again, im sorry if this is dumb i just dont understand it, so could someone explain it please
03-26-2012, 02:41 PM #1
dumbbell bench press > barbell bench press?
03-26-2012, 09:14 PM #2
What "facts" do you speak of?
The "stabilizers" used have nothing to do with the chester. They get used when form wobbles and the chest stops doing it's job.
'More fibers' get recruited by pushing heavier weights, and doing it on a smith or with a barbell is going to have you doing that sooner than most dumbbells.
As for RoM, it's valuable but can get over-rated. If you need more RoM than a barbell provides, something's probably wrong. Just how deep are people going with dumbbells that a barbell would stop?
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03-26-2012, 09:57 PM #4
Dumbbells allow for a more flexible ROm in general, not just with depth either.
With barbells, the weight is just pushing your arms straight down, given that you have proper tension in your arms holding the bar up. With Dumbbells, the weight is pushing your arms out to the side, given that you have the proper tension.Les crevettes ont été cuite quand le téléphone a sonné.
03-27-2012, 07:10 AM #5
well, not facts but reasons then.. im not being incredibly literal im just saying haha
and firefox16, if its just another thread dont comment? not needed
so to conclude there isnt a whole lot of benefit apart from using dumbbells? apart from like less chance of injuries etc.. which type would be the best for chest growth then..? surely smith, as thats the way to use the most weight?
03-27-2012, 07:29 AM #6
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03-27-2012, 07:44 AM #7
You will have the greater results with that which you focus on the hardest, work with the longest, and recover from the best.
It isn't a race. If you look for shortcuts you'll be disappointed and/or injure yourself.
Having said that, Here's a brief Pro/Con listing:
Pro: Hand position can be closer to parallel. This reduces stress on the shoulder for some.
Pro: Ability to do a press which is also a pseudo fly movement. More work with less weight.
Pro: No need for a power rack or spotter.
Con: Less overall weight can be lifted typically compared to barbell.
Con: Somewhat greater amount of effort involved getting into position to perform the lift.
Pro: Heavier weights can be lifted
Pro: Ability to incorporate resistance bands to provide accommodating resistance (attach bands to barbell, as they stretch and you approach lockout the resistance provided is increased)
Pro: Given the equipment necessities, it is typically easier to get into position and start performing he exercise than it is with dumbbells.
Con: More equipment and/or spotter needed.
Con: Restricted hand position unless specialty bars employed.
I use both because I have the space to do so. I primarily lift with barbell as I enjoy strength training. I use dumbbells as a warm-up and on lighter, higher rep days.
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Well from what I have been around and experienced; Most people who think dumbbells are better either...
A) Have horrible form with barbell bench
B) Are embarrassed because they can't do much weight on barbell bench
or C) Have "pains" when they barbell bench press
To me, both barbell and dumbbell bench press should be used in your workouts. However, I think barbell bench press is a much better strength/power exercise for your chest...
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thank you for the information i appreciate the effort and thats helped quite a lot with my decision
and thanks everyone whos replied, i feel i may start doing both, barbell first though as it would require more effort/more weight and then do dumbbells after to burn it out a bit more
or possibly turn to dumbbells if barbells start hurting my shoulders again, which they did before cos i have a lot of issues as i have very short arms, etc ahaha
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03-27-2012, 09:58 AM #20
If you want to isolate chest as much as possible - the Smith machine is your friend, since you are literally just pushing the weight, usually with palms open. And that's why you can Smith-bench way more than any other exercise.--------------
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03-27-2012, 10:07 AM #22
People who have amazing form and can push a ton of weight in barbell bench press will like that.
People who do better with dumbbells will like that better.
Naturally we tend to like the exercise that we can push more weight with...
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There are enough examples of people using both DBs and BBs with results that debating which one is "best" for everyone is idiotic. People who have been around gyms a while don't do things like that. They know better.Who was this love of yours?
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