The OR is Officially DEAD? Insomn+buddies chat OR related

[insomniac23]

insomn, do i have to be 21 to buy a stripped lower, or just have an FID?

thru a FFL, yes. private sale....no, but alot of guys will be hesitant to sell you one


talk to Paul @ arms n ammo and see if you can buy a stock assembly thru him to be pinned and see if he'd sell you it w the lower. hes a good dood

I actually think the 21 to buy a stripped lower is a Federal thing, so yes, you have to be 21.

theres always a way tho

[Farley1324]

theres always a way tho

FTF sales are legal in NJ?

srs?

This would be like the first time something was legal in NJ

[insomniac23]

FTF sales are legal in NJ?

srs?

This would be like the first time something was legal in NJ

you can sell pistols or long guns FTF in NJ

buyer just needs Firearms ID Card for long guns and both parties fill out Certificate Of Eligibility - we dont need to register our long arms do big brother never knows when we buy private sale

pistol purchases the buyer needs a Pistol Permit(get one for each pistol) and you need to register it w the state. i dont think id ever buy a pistol private sale tho

[insomniac23]

nerd bros...thoughts?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/t1fG


or

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...D_Windows.html

[Farley1324]

you can sell pistols or long guns FTF in NJ

buyer just needs Firearms ID Card for long guns and both parties fill out Certificate Of Eligibility - we dont need to register our long arms do big brother never knows when we buy private sale

pistol purchases the buyer needs a Pistol Permit(get one for each pistol) and you need to register it w the state. i dont think id ever buy a pistol private sale tho

Oh...nvm.

NJ loses again.

[LAWLER89]

I sold my SKS, 3rd gen G23, and M&P all FTF in the last few months. Not a single registration was given.

[Farley1324]

I sold my SKS, 3rd gen G23, and M&P all FTF in the last few months. Not a single registration was given.

I have sold 4 guns FTF myself. I didn't even get their full name(s)

Three KelTecs (bailed on all things KelTec) and a Glock 20 (ammo too expensive and limited in supply for me at the time)

[LAWLER89]

I have sold 4 guns FTF myself. I didn't even get their full name(s)

Three KelTecs (bailed on all things KelTec) and a Glock 20 (ammo too expensive and limited in supply for me at the time)

My favorite part was that I sold one handgun in the parking lot of a crowded Wal Mart, and another in the parking lot of a semi-busy Target. Both guys had the pistol out in the open and I didn't hear a single gasp, whisper, scream, or shrude comment. I wonder what would happen if I went to East Rutherford and waved a pistol around in the parking lot of the mall.

[Farley1324]

My favorite part was that I sold one handgun in the parking lot of a crowded Wal Mart, and another in the parking lot of a semi-busy Target. Both guys had the pistol out in the open and I didn't hear a single gasp, whisper, scream, or shrude comment. I wonder what would happen if I went to East Rutherford and waved a pistol around in the parking lot of the mall.

I sold one at the "Big Chicken" parking lot in marietta GA




One in a Publix parking lot in GA


One in a KFC parking lot in IN near Indianapolis


And I don't even remember on the other one.

[HairyScandinavian]

I sold my SKS, 3rd gen G23, and M&P all FTF in the last few months. Not a single registration was given.

I have sold 4 guns FTF myself. I didn't even get their full name(s)

Three KelTecs (bailed on all things KelTec) and a Glock 20 (ammo too expensive and limited in supply for me at the time)

Funny, lot of peeps even here in Texas are all freaky aboot selling guns. I've seen guys on local hunting forums who will only sell to peeps with CHL, some who insist on seeing DL to copy info, etc... I've never given a rat's arse. I think I got a full name once and did a bill of sale that time. I've sold about 10 differing firearms and I couldn't tell you who got what unless there's a PM in a forum somewhere that I didn't delete and then I could give you a screen name.

My favorite part was that I sold one handgun in the parking lot of a crowded Wal Mart, and another in the parking lot of a semi-busy Target. Both guys had the pistol out in the open and I didn't hear a single gasp, whisper, scream, or shrude comment. I wonder what would happen if I went to East Rutherford and waved a pistol around in the parking lot of the mall.

I sold one at the "Big Chicken" parking lot in marietta GA




One in a Publix parking lot in GA


One in a KFC parking lot in IN near Indianapolis


And I don't even remember on the other one.

I'm not gonna lie, I bought a rifle once in a Home Depot parking lot next to a busy highway. We're parked out front and I was inspecting it, looking through the scope and such and it felt weird as hell man. Felt like the popo would be pulling up guns a blazing any moment, not because it's illegal just figured some idiot would freak out. I told the seller "this feels so weird" and he laughed at me. LOL

[HairyScandinavian]

Interesting observation this morning, peeps be fuggin skeered man.

I'm getting a popping noise from the A/C actuators under my dash in the truck so I dropped it off at the dealer around 7am this morning. Since the dealer is about 1.5 miles from the office I just dropped it off and walked to work. There's a bunch of empty restaurant and business parking lots (the tanning lot was full of customers already) and I cut across the lots for shortest route, couple cars just sitting in the middle of the lots and of course they see me walking by and you can just see the fear on their faces but no biggie I can see where it might be creepy.

So I get out to the main street, lots of traffic and stop lights. I'm walking opposite traffic down the left side of the street with cars coming toward me on my right. What's funny is that peeps will be sitting there screwing with the radio or whatever, then notice you and make eye contact briefly and immediately look away with a pale straight "oh ****" look and then scoot their cars up all the way next to the bumper of the car in front of them. Seriously like every time I glanced over at someone their reaction was to inch up really close to the next car.

This goes against everything I've been trying to teach my kids, in my head it's a major security violation. I mean, let's think about it for a minute. Let's say you're in your vehicle and a scary hairy looking scandinavian dude with a backpack on is eyeballing you from the sidewalk. Let's say you think his intentions are criminal, do you really want to sandwich your vehicle up against the car in front of you? What are you gonna do when he smashes your passenger side window, sit there and scream? Seems to me keeping a good distance AWAY from the car in front of you is prudent, dude makes a move and you cut your wheels left and punch the accelerator. No?

PS. I thought people were only afraid of black guys because of their dumb stereotypes, but now I'm thinking peeps are just scared in general.

[LAWLER89]

Interesting observation this morning, peeps be fuggin skeered man.

I'm getting a popping noise from the A/C actuators under my dash in the truck so I dropped it off at the dealer around 7am this morning. Since the dealer is about 1.5 miles from the office I just dropped it off and walked to work. There's a bunch of empty restaurant and business parking lots (the tanning lot was full of customers already) and I cut across the lots for shortest route, couple cars just sitting in the middle of the lots and of course they see me walking by and you can just see the fear on their faces but no biggie I can see where it might be creepy.

So I get out to the main street, lots of traffic and stop lights. I'm walking opposite traffic down the left side of the street with cars coming toward me on my right. What's funny is that peeps will be sitting there screwing with the radio or whatever, then notice you and make eye contact briefly and immediately look away with a pale straight "oh ****" look and then scoot their cars up all the way next to the bumper of the car in front of them. Seriously like every time I glanced over at someone their reaction was to inch up really close to the next car.

This goes against everything I've been trying to teach my kids, in my head it's a major security violation. I mean, let's think about it for a minute. Let's say you're in your vehicle and a scary hairy looking scandinavian dude with a backpack on is eyeballing you from the sidewalk. Let's say you think his intentions are criminal, do you really want to sandwich your vehicle up against the car in front of you? What are you gonna do when he smashes your passenger side window, sit there and scream? Seems to me keeping a good distance AWAY from the car in front of you is prudent, dude makes a move and you cut your wheels left and punch the accelerator. No?

PS. I thought people were only afraid of black guys because of their dumb stereotypes, but now I'm thinking peeps are just scared in general.

I kept waiting for you to say you were open carrying or something. Why the hell were they scared of a presumably normal guy walking?

Sometimes I feel like I'm on another planet when I read stories from other metro areas. People tend to be cordial and pretty unobservant about what you do in CO. Almost to a fault in that they lack situational awareness. Anyhow, most people will give you a nod or a salute if you make eye contact while driving here (fat people, teenagers, illegals, and gangbanger types excluded). And so many people walk in CO (especially in Boulder and Denver), that it's not worth making a fuss about.

EDIT:
Yes, that's also a pretty stupid safety/tactical error. It cuts off your route of escape in the event something does happen.

[HairyScandinavian]

I kept waiting for you to say you were open carrying or something. Why the hell were they scared of a presumably normal guy walking?

Sometimes I feel like I'm on another planet when I read stories from other metro areas. People tend to be cordial and pretty unobservant about what you do in CO. Almost to a fault in that they lack situational awareness. Anyhow, most people will give you a nod or a salute if you make eye contact while driving here (fat people, teenagers, illegals, and gangbanger types excluded). And so many people walk in CO (especially in Boulder and Denver), that it's not worth making a fuss about.

EDIT:
Yes, that's also a pretty stupid safety/tactical error. It cuts off your route of escape in the event something does happen.

I think that's the key, we don't get many people walking anywhere down here (everyone is too fat to walk without breaking a sweat) so the only peeps you typically see walking are kids going to school. I'm guessing people think a mid-30's guy with a "tactical" looking backpack (my gym clothes lol) walking down the street is awkward???

[lhprop1]

I have one rifle, Would like some type of AK variant, such as a WASR or saiga even. But buying stripped lowers would be cheaper now, and I would get in before a ban. IF i can find them, not too price gouged.

Question for anyone who remembers the Clinton ban: If they institute the exact same ban as 94-04, will it only be the sale of lowers and scary looking accessories that will be banned or will it be all components?

[jafomofo]

Question for anyone who remembers the Clinton ban: If they institute the exact same ban as 94-04, will it only be the sale of lowers and scary looking accessories that will be banned or will it be all components?

if you are familiar with the specifics of making a gun california legal it will be that for the most part but no bullet button. You could still get lowers, you would be limited on magazine capacity and on actual rifles depending on their features. I agree with what hairy said, by the time feinstein can actually get the bill to the floor the current political climate will have changed, people will have lost interest and it will go nowhere plus the bill she is talking about introducing is so over the top that no one is going to support it.

the more likely scenario is that if obama puts together a working group to propose legislation for addressing the perceived issue they may come back with a more viable law. It most likely wouldn't be a ban like 94 since even the left admits that was ineffective but it would almost certainly include a magazine limit. There are some other provisions that could actually be a good thing imho, personally I think you guys selling guns to strangers in a parking lot with no idea of who they are is pretty sketchy and would like to see that stopped. Either implement an NC style law or a PA style law. Doesn't cost you anything when selling the gun, they have to pay to have their background checked.

[HairyScandinavian]

There are some other provisions that could actually be a good thing imho, personally I think you guys selling guns to strangers in a parking lot with no idea of who they are is pretty sketchy and would like to see that stopped. Either implement an NC style law or a PA style law. Doesn't cost you anything when selling the gun, they have to pay to have their background checked.

I honestly wouldn't complain.

Having said that I certainly wouldn't sell a firearm to a random sketchy individual. I'm a good judge of character, but of course some people can surprise you so that's why I wouldn't oppose what you say.

[lhprop1]

Not sure why people like to wait until

post election
holidays
mass murders
AWB scare
end of the world

to build a rifle.

I may have solved my problem. I have my stripped lower and some mags.

If I get this http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...build-kit.html

this http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...ng-handle.html

and this http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...ier-group.html

Will I be good to go?

Sorry for teh newb questions. This is my first build.

[goodluck12]

I may have solved my problem. I have my stripped lower and some mags.

If I get this http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...build-kit.html

this http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...ng-handle.html

and this http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...ier-group.html

Will I be good to go?

Sorry for teh newb questions. This is my first build.

Wow a BCG in stock! I would order that stuff now without delay. Order a Rear flip up sight from them also while you are at it. The Magpul ones are decent for the $$.


Your next problem will be finding 5.56 ammo.

[insomniac23]

I may have solved my problem. I have my stripped lower and some mags.

If I get this http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...build-kit.html

this http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...ng-handle.html

and this http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...ier-group.html

Will I be good to go?

Sorry for teh newb questions. This is my first build.

you'd just need a charging handle. id suggest the BCM gunfighter w atleast the medium, i think ive got a large....lawlr can confirm. nothing wrong w your standard charging handle tho

[HairyScandinavian]

Wow a BCG in stock! I would order that stuff now without delay. Order a Rear flip up sight from them also while you are at it. The Magpul ones are decent for the $$.


Your next problem will be finding 5.56 ammo.

you'd just need a charging handle. id suggest the BCM gunfighter w atleast the medium, i think ive got a large....lawlr can confirm. nothing wrong w your standard charging handle tho

That BCG come with a firing pin I assume? I've not purchased them separately before.

lh, I would pick up the phone and call them to be sure you get it completed and they can also cover any missing parts as well.

[goodluck12]

The BCG is suppose to come with a firing pin.

[lhprop1]

Wow a BCG in stock! I would order that stuff now without delay. Order a Rear flip up sight from them also while you are at it. The Magpul ones are decent for the $$.


Your next problem will be finding 5.56 ammo.

Thanks for the advices, brotatoes. Done got ordered. Now I just have to wait.

Rear sight, charging handle, and mags were also ordered. I knew I needed to have them, so I didn't include them in the other post.

The sucky part is that the rifle portion of my range is closed due to a fire a few months ago. Hopefully it'll be open soon.

[LAWLER89]

Ban question: do pre-ban mags apply for grandfathering? In other words, are the twelve 30 round PMags I have now just going to be expensive paperweights/SHTF items?

I remember seeing "pre ban magazines" as a big deal for AKs back in the day, so I assume current mags will get in on the grandfathering.

[Hola Bola]

Ban question: do pre-ban mags apply for grandfathering? In other words, are the twelve 30 round PMags I have now just going to be expensive paperweights/SHTF items?

I remember seeing "pre ban magazines" as a big deal for AKs back in the day, so I assume current mags will get in on the grandfathering.

They would most likely be grandfathered in, although it would be illegal for you to sell or give them to anyone else.

[Dubs740]

I may have solved my problem. I have my stripped lower and some mags.

If I get this http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...build-kit.html

this http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...ng-handle.html

and this http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...ier-group.html

Will I be good to go?

Sorry for teh newb questions. This is my first build.

I'm very suprised that bcg is in stock. That whole setup would seem to work pretty well. Goodluck!

[Farley1324]

Interesting observation this morning, peeps be fuggin skeered man.

I'm getting a popping noise from the A/C actuators under my dash in the truck so I dropped it off at the dealer around 7am this morning. Since the dealer is about 1.5 miles from the office I just dropped it off and walked to work. There's a bunch of empty restaurant and business parking lots (the tanning lot was full of customers already) and I cut across the lots for shortest route, couple cars just sitting in the middle of the lots and of course they see me walking by and you can just see the fear on their faces but no biggie I can see where it might be creepy.

So I get out to the main street, lots of traffic and stop lights. I'm walking opposite traffic down the left side of the street with cars coming toward me on my right. What's funny is that peeps will be sitting there screwing with the radio or whatever, then notice you and make eye contact briefly and immediately look away with a pale straight "oh ****" look and then scoot their cars up all the way next to the bumper of the car in front of them. Seriously like every time I glanced over at someone their reaction was to inch up really close to the next car.

This goes against everything I've been trying to teach my kids, in my head it's a major security violation. I mean, let's think about it for a minute. Let's say you're in your vehicle and a scary hairy looking scandinavian dude with a backpack on is eyeballing you from the sidewalk. Let's say you think his intentions are criminal, do you really want to sandwich your vehicle up against the car in front of you? What are you gonna do when he smashes your passenger side window, sit there and scream? Seems to me keeping a good distance AWAY from the car in front of you is prudent, dude makes a move and you cut your wheels left and punch the accelerator. No?

PS. I thought people were only afraid of black guys because of their dumb stereotypes, but now I'm thinking peeps are just scared in general.

You should have added:

Cliffs: People are stupid.

Ban question: do pre-ban mags apply for grandfathering? In other words, are the twelve 30 round PMags I have now just going to be expensive paperweights/SHTF items?

I remember seeing "pre ban magazines" as a big deal for AKs back in the day, so I assume current mags will get in on the grandfathering.

There won't be a ban.

But, in the event that there is, we couldn't really answer this question because it depends on what the bill/law actually says.

The '94 ban grandfathered items.

I don't think they would even seriously propose a ban that doesn't have a grandfather clause, unless maybe they do it so they can give up the grandfather clause in a 'compromise'

[Geno]

You have given out too much reputation in the last 24 hours.

[Geno]

Interesting observation this morning, peeps be fuggin skeered man.

I'm getting a popping noise from the A/C actuators under my dash in the truck so I dropped it off at the dealer around 7am this morning. Since the dealer is about 1.5 miles from the office I just dropped it off and walked to work. There's a bunch of empty restaurant and business parking lots (the tanning lot was full of customers already) and I cut across the lots for shortest route, couple cars just sitting in the middle of the lots and of course they see me walking by and you can just see the fear on their faces but no biggie I can see where it might be creepy.

So I get out to the main street, lots of traffic and stop lights. I'm walking opposite traffic down the left side of the street with cars coming toward me on my right. What's funny is that peeps will be sitting there screwing with the radio or whatever, then notice you and make eye contact briefly and immediately look away with a pale straight "oh ****" look and then scoot their cars up all the way next to the bumper of the car in front of them. Seriously like every time I glanced over at someone their reaction was to inch up really close to the next car.

This goes against everything I've been trying to teach my kids, in my head it's a major security violation. I mean, let's think about it for a minute. Let's say you're in your vehicle and a scary hairy looking scandinavian dude with a backpack on is eyeballing you from the sidewalk. Let's say you think his intentions are criminal, do you really want to sandwich your vehicle up against the car in front of you? What are you gonna do when he smashes your passenger side window, sit there and scream? Seems to me keeping a good distance AWAY from the car in front of you is prudent, dude makes a move and you cut your wheels left and punch the accelerator. No?

PS. I thought people were only afraid of black guys because of their dumb stereotypes, but now I'm thinking peeps are just scared in general.

Leave some room - like 2 car lengths. 1 at the very least.

I don't know what to say.

Leaving this place as soon as my PhD is in hand. Probably be worse where I go but at least we won't have much in the way of violent crime. Petty crime is rampant so be aware of this - wear the same flip flops and ragged clothes as everyone else and no one will bother you. Keep the house and garage under lock and key and bar every window.

[Farley1324]

Leave some room - like 2 car lengths. 1 at the very least.

I don't know what to say.

Leaving this place as soon as my PhD is in hand. Probably be worse where I go but at least we won't have much in the way of violent crime. Petty crime is rampant so be aware of this - wear the same flip flops and ragged clothes as everyone else and no one will bother you. Keep the house and garage under lock and key and bar every window.

You don't need a whole lot of room, I always heard the "don't pull forward so far that you cannot see the rear tires of the car in front of you" thing. This of course varies in usefulness based on the specific vehicle you are driving. I try not to leave a ton of room, like two car lengths, because that just takes up a bunch of space and pushes the line of traffic back. In heavy traffic that messes things up. Two car legnths is kind of a ton of room


Really, any experienced driver who puts any thought into this knows how far he can pull forward while still being able to quickly and easily pull ahead/escape. As long as you think about this, you'll probably do it well enough

[insomniac23]

lol @ leaving two car lengths between you and other cars....try that in NJ