Kyrie Irving > Lebron James

[GETB1G]

^ Cry somewhere else please. He's having a far better rookie season than your boyfriend and has already proven to be more clutch. Deal with it.

[RapAttack]

lol @ some australian kid trying to explain the game of basketball.

[GETB1G]

lol @ some australian kid trying to explain the game of basketball.

Lol @ someone who is 5'8", 140lbs being on a bodybuilding website. I've taken sh*ts bigger than you.

[taxe91]

lol @ some australian kid trying to explain the game of basketball.

negged. mainly just cos im aussie too

Lol @ someone who is 5'8", 140lbs being on a bodybuilding website. I've taken sh*ts bigger than you.

if you wanna call out someones body stats to defend your argument go back to the regular misc. yeah i did bother reading your neg comment.

[GETB1G]

negged. mainly just cos im aussie too



if you wanna call out someones body stats to defend your argument go back to the regular misc

5'9", 135lbs. I can see why you're upset.

Also, brb, using someone's location is a much better argument. Gtfo my thread *******.

[turk75]

The thing i love about Irving is he's always out there having fun.

& I'm loving the chemistry with the young players on the Cavs... and how much of a great player Alonzo Gee is turning out to be.

[Assassin X]

Michael Jordan is the Greatest

[bailey621]

The thing i love about Irving is he's always out there having fun.

& I'm loving the chemistry with the young players on the Cavs... and how much of a great player Alonzo Gee is turning out to be.

YES!! Gee has really developed. We gotta lock him up long term

[Rhylin15]

Cavs will win a title with Irving. He's clutch.

As I’m sure we all know and have seen, one player can’t win a championship alone...point and case LeBron. Took them to the finals, but couldn’t deliver the goods...

[D-Nutt]

Brb removing 25% of one player's stats and them comparing to someone else's.

[EPICNESS83]

I know this has nothing toreally do with the thread but hes real well spoken. I was watching something on nba tv and i was honestly suprised that he wasnt like ummmm youknow youknow like alot of black athletes

[Workout4ever]

LeBron haters are delusional , lol.

[LikeAMachine]

Only thing that matters are playoff series wins.


Stats are for losers



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[BladeRun]

Troll-bate aside, Irving is showing a lot of potential. I think Cleveland fans are still hesitant to even hope he will be a super star, but we'll see.

Hate on Dan Gilbert all you like, so far he's making good moves considering we are still only a year and a half after the franchise essentially fell apart. Part of it is luck with the draft obviously, but he's basically throwing hoards of cash at the problem and is more concerned with winning than with profit (which is what you want in a good owner, provided you use the money wisely). I'm looking forward to seasons to come and what should be steady improvement.

[GETB1G]

LeBron haters are delusional , lol.

Lebron fans are delusional. There is no doubt Irving is having the better rookie season. Where's the delusion in that?

[GETB1G]

Troll-bate aside, Irving is showing a lot of potential. I think Cleveland fans are still hesitant to even hope he will be a super star, but we'll see.

Hate on Dan Gilbert all you like, so far he's making good moves considering we are still only a year and a half after the franchise essentially fell apart. Part of it is luck with the draft obviously, but he's basically throwing hoards of cash at the problem and is more concerned with winning than with profit (which is what you want in a good owner, provided you use the money wisely). I'm looking forward to seasons to come and what should be steady improvement.

The thing that is most impressive about him, besides the numbers, is the kid's composure. He does not look like a rookie, and has already shown he can deliver in key moments.

[jimbogr]

I know this has nothing toreally do with the thread but hes real well spoken. I was watching something on nba tv and i was honestly suprised that he wasnt like ummmm youknow youknow like alot of black athletes

inb4dukeuncletomcomments

Troll-bate aside, Irving is showing a lot of potential. I think Cleveland fans are still hesitant to even hope he will be a super star, but we'll see.

Hate on Dan Gilbert all you like, so far he's making good moves considering we are still only a year and a half after the franchise essentially fell apart. Part of it is luck with the draft obviously, but he's basically throwing hoards of cash at the problem and is more concerned with winning than with profit (which is what you want in a good owner, provided you use the money wisely). I'm looking forward to seasons to come and what should be steady improvement.

He hasn't done **** imo. He got lucky that your best players were injured last year so you could grab the #1 pick, and got a good trade for the #4 pick. (not sure if which one was the clippers pick)

Glad you drafted Tristan Thompson. Dude's gonna be great someday once he learns to play basketball. He can draw fouls as well as any top player in the league. Just needs to get his FT% up. Luckily he has the work ethic to make it possible. He has a higher ceiling than Irving.

He should have just done something to keep Lebron in Cleveland though. It probably wouldn't have took much, landing Bosh or Amare probably would have been enough.

[jimbogr]

Lebron fans are delusional. There is no doubt Irving is having the better rookie season. Where's the delusion in that?

You're retarded. Irving has the better per 36 numbers, Lebron had the better season.


And reported for a fake avi

[1stChanceToLose]

He's a jump shooter. When he's unstoppable it's not when he's driving to the basket, it's when he's taking stupid hard 3 point shots that somehow go in.

[businesslawbrah]

Lebron was extremely raw when he came into the NBA, (He had no jumper whereas now he's mainly a jump shooter) Kyrie is extremely polished for missing most of his games at Duke after a one and done season.

That was one of Kyrie's main selling points. He was just incredibly NBA ready.

You sir are an idiot

[sorry4thewait]

I'm not doing the math, but it looked like you confirmed what I posted. The quote i posted never said he was ahead of dirk. It said he was behind dirk and ray allen. (You don't just look at the 10-15 foot range, they probably averaged everything that wasn't at the rim/3 point)




He's taking 9.8 jump shots a game, 2 threes and 6.5 shots at the rim. How is that ridiculously low? It looks balanced to me, since his inside game forces the defense to back off to give him room so he can get more space to shoot.

When it's crunch time in the playoffs and teams are packing the paint he goes straight into jump shooting mode. That's why he was so off in the Mavs series. His shot wasn't going in and they weren't letting him drive to the basket.




No.

lebron james attempts the same amount of shots at the rim as bynum and makes more


but yet he is somehow a jumpshooter










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[GETB1G]

You're retarded. Irving has the better per 36 numbers, Lebron had the better season.


And reported for a fake avi

Irving is still having a better season.

Lebron: 39.5 minutes, 20.9 points, 5.5 rebounds, 5.9 assists, 3.5 TO, .417 FG%, .290 3P%, 18.9 FGA

Kyrie: 31.3 minutes, 19.0 points 3.8 rebounds, 5.7 assists, 3.1 TO, .474 FG%, .405 3P%, 14.8 FGA

Irving smokes him.

Lebron also had a better team around him. In 2003-04, the talent around LeBron averaged 66.7 points per game, as compared to the 2011-12 average of 57.6 points per game for the talent around Irving.

[jimbogr]

^ I can't tell if you think I'm lying or if you think i worded it badly










You retarded Kobe fanboys want to count out the number of shots at the rim vs jump shots here?

[businesslawbrah]

Dude cannot shoot

[jimbogr]

^and you can ignore the all star 3 point shot in your count. He took a few of those, I couldn't find a video of all of them, but if anyone actually watched the game you'd remember he hit a few in a row in his comeback.

lebron james attempts the same amount of shots at the rim as bynum and makes more


but yet he is somehow a jumpshooter



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I give you facts, you give me garbage. Lebron is just an incredibly efficient player around the rim, but he turns into a jump shooter when defenses are tough.

And lol at using Bynum stats to prove anything about Lebron. If Kobe chucked less then maybe Bynum would have more attempts.

Irving is still having a better season.

Lebron: 39.5 minutes, 20.9 points, 5.5 rebounds, 5.9 assists, 3.5 TO, .417 FG%, .290 3P%, 18.9 FGA

Kyrie: 31.3 minutes, 19.0 points 3.8 rebounds, 5.7 assists, 3.1 TO, .474 FG%, .405 3P%, 14.8 FGA

Irving smokes him.

Lebron also had a better team around him. In 2003-04, the talent around LeBron averaged 66.7 points per game, as compared to the 2011-12 average of 57.6 points per game for the talent around Irving.

Defensive stats? You can't ignore half a part of the game.

All I see are comparable numbers. You'd have to add 2 more FGA to Kyrie's stats to give him the same amount of points Lebron got and then Lebron's rebounds are drastically better. FGA is relative to the pace and usage rate if you're going to compare different players across 10 years.

This all ignores that Lebron was extremely unpolished coming out of high school while Kyrie was considered an extremely polished player coming out of Duke. Even if Kyrie somehow did have a better season than Lebron it would be irrelevant since his ceiling is so much lower.

[businesslawbrah]

^and you can ignore the all star 3 point shot in your count. He took a few of those, I couldn't find a video of all of them, but if anyone actually watched the game you'd remember he hit a few in a row in his comeback.




I give you facts, you give me garbage. Lebron is just an incredibly efficient player around the rim, but he turns into a jump shooter when defenses are tough.

And lol at using Bynum stats to prove anything about Lebron. If Kobe chucked less then maybe Bynum would have more attempts.


Defensive stats? You can't ignore half a part of the game.

All I see are comparable numbers. FGA is relative to the pace and usage rate if you're going to compare different players across 10 years.

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[chlaxman]

Who gives a **** about their rookie year? How good a player is going to become is measured by improvements the player makes early in their career.

Lebron's year 2: 27 ppg 47% FG 35% 3PT 7.5 Reb 7.2 Ass 2.2 Steals
That's a huge improvement. We'll see what Irving does.

[BladeRun]

inb4dukeuncletomcomments

He hasn't done **** imo. He got lucky that your best players were injured last year so you could grab the #1 pick, and got a good trade for the #4 pick. (not sure if which one was the clippers pick)

Glad you drafted Tristan Thompson. Dude's gonna be great someday once he learns to play basketball. He can draw fouls as well as any top player in the league. Just needs to get his FT% up. Luckily he has the work ethic to make it possible. He has a higher ceiling than Irving.

He should have just done something to keep Lebron in Cleveland though. It probably wouldn't have took much, landing Bosh or Amare probably would have been enough.

Agreed on the 'should have done more to keep James' statement, however remember that James' uncertainty about staying crippled the Cavs ability to grab FA's in the first place. And the roster improved each year, especially his last year, so it wasn't like Gilbert was asleep.

Beyond that, understand also that the Dan Gilbert is the one who engineered the trade of Mo Williams to the Clippers for Baron Davis and a draft pick...the draft pick that ended up being Kyrie Irving. He then bought out Davis to free up cap space. He also tried to pulled a similar act with Rip Hamilton from Detroit - basically a daft pick and then buying out the guy that wasn't a good fit (it fell through, but only because Hamilton wouldn't take a buyout). He just did it again with the draft pick he got from the Lakers along with Walton and Kapono.

His letter when James left was indeed childish, but so far he's spending a bunch of cash on picks to capitalize on the (hopefully few) years of poor records to rebuild. It's tough to say he's done nothing but get lucky.

[GETB1G]

[jimbogr]

Agreed on the 'should have done more to keep James' statement, however remember that James' uncertainty about staying crippled the Cavs ability to grab FA's in the first place. And the roster improved each year, especially his last year, so it wasn't like Gilbert was asleep.

Beyond that, understand also that the Dan Gilbert is the one who engineered the trade of Mo Williams to the Clippers for Baron Davis and a draft pick...the draft pick that ended up being Kyrie Irving. He then bought out Davis to free up cap space. He also tried to pulled a similar act with Rip Hamilton from Detroit - basically a daft pick and then buying out the guy that wasn't a good fit (it fell through, but only because Hamilton wouldn't take a buyout). He just did it again with the draft pick he got from the Lakers along with Walton and Kapono.

His letter when James left was indeed childish, but so far he's spending a bunch of cash on picks to capitalize on the (hopefully few) years of poor records to rebuild. It's tough to say he's done nothing but get lucky.

I didn't know that he did the Clippers trade. That trade was insane for the Cavs. So good for him for getting that done.

I just think he should have took advantage of the Hickson for Amare deal to try to keep Lebron there.

It doesn't matter now though, the Cavs' rebuilding is looking good. If they get a decent pick this year they'll be great.