No supplements

[aPolak]

Been dieting without the use of any supplements and have been trying to get all my protein intake through food. Eating so much is harder than i thought, anyone else going ALL natty, just food?

[Coolcicada]

Comps

[Robbe226]

Right now I'am not using any supplements, but when I start bulking I'll probobly start taking some kind of protein powder and creatin. But if you eat a lot you don't really need to take protein powder.

[mandimeoutof10]

I still use pre-workouts for energy but stopped taking protein supps and increased my meat consumption for the past 6 months or so and it

[aPolak]

haha I can't stop going to the bathroom and dropping bombs, its out of control. Plus eating so much, gets me so tired lol.

[spiderman997]

Protein powder is a higher quality protein than meat, and gram for gram it's the cheapest way to get protein. Dun goofed.

[aPolak]

Protein powder is a higher quality protein than meat, and gram for gram it's the cheapest way to get protein. Dun goofed.

You are correct, but I have a bad reaction to the supplements and I break out on my face and back every time I take it. ;(

[spiderman997]

You are correct, but I have a bad reaction to the supplements and I break out on my face and back every time I take it. ;(

Then I guess you didn't dun goofed. If I had to get all my protein and calories with no supplements I would be up **** creek. You would see me drinking EVOO and egg whites every night to try and get my calories and protein in.

[xpin2winx]

Protein powder is a higher quality protein than meat, and gram for gram it's the cheapest way to get protein. Dun goofed.

you keep telling urself that. Protein Powder which is not regulated by the FDA, which we have no idea whats actually in the powder (look up scifit). If you prefer to drink a powder shake over whole foods than you dun goofed. Im slowly wearing off my shakes because they just dont provide the benefits that whole foods do.

[mmafighter1294]

without protein powder id be ****ed. i have the appetite of a midget. (im assuming they dont eat that much)

[mmafighter1294]

you keep telling urself that.

I guarantee you that spidey knows much more about this and probably any other topic than you do.

[Dav92]

Yeah, well I take a protein shake every now and then. Maybe 3 per week or so but that's about it.

[xpin2winx]

I guarantee you that spidey knows much more about this and probably any other topic than you do.

no he actually thought you had to eat every 4 hours for maximal gains or something dumb like that. I posted alan aragons article where he stated meal timing wasnt important and spiderman just shut up

edit. every post i see him in. it sounds like hes advertising supplements. Oh you need to drink bcaas before you workout or you wont get max insulin and MPS levels. Like seriously lol.

[avodo]

I only take fish oil and glucosamine at the moment.

Hard as **** to get my calories in without protein powder/weight gainers, but I manage. Milk helps a lot.

[spiderman997]

no he actually thought you had to eat every 4 hours for maximal gains or something dumb like that. I posted alan aragons article where he stated meal timing wasnt important and spiderman just shut up

edit. every post i see him in. it sounds like hes advertising supplements. Oh you need to drink bcaas before you workout or you wont get max insulin and MPS levels. Like seriously lol.

I'm literally convinced you have never read anything I have written, ever.

[spiderman997]

you keep telling urself that. Protein Powder which is not regulated by the FDA, which we have no idea whats actually in the powder (look up scifit). If you prefer to drink a powder shake over whole foods than you dun goofed. Im slowly wearing off my shakes because they just dont provide the benefits that whole foods do.

Amino acid profile of whey protein



It is very highly concentrated in every type of amino acid relevant to muscle gain.

[alan aragon]

I posted alan aragons article where he stated meal timing wasnt important and spiderman just shut up

^I would love to see this article I supposedly wrote that meal timing wasn't important.

[xpin2winx]

^I would love to see this article I supposedly wrote that meal timing wasn't important.

10) Protein Absorption – is the body really limited to a certain amount of protein that it can absorb at once (outside of obvious discrepancies between a 120lb individual and a 240lb individual)?

A) Assumingly, the best times to load up on protein would be post-workout (after vigorous activity) and after you break your “fast” in the morning, correct?

Alan: Nope, fit it in before the day is up & you’ll be fine. I’ve written extensively on this in my research review.

That was just part of the article. unless i read it wrong. Unless you are an endurance athlete who trains depletes gylcogen storages multiple times per day (which i assume none of us are since we arent on an edurance forum) . Timing meals isnt important. The important thing is fitting ur calorie/macro/micro needs in a 24 hour period. Meal timing can be beneficial based on how the individual feels but as far as body composition it doesnt matter. So unless you changed ur mind about that then i apologize but im saying. You dont have to be pin point about meal timing to achieve optimal results.

also. you might want to address this to the MISC as well because they think Meal Timing is irrelevant as well and they are quoting you on it.

[Chris806]

I always look forward to my shakes when working out

[spiderman997]

ITT: We use Alan Aragon articles against Alan Aragon. Seems legit.

[JakOz]

Yeah I'm doing that on every single bulk. But when it's time to cut it's kinda hard to get all the proteins I need on a caloric deficit, so I have to use some whey protein.

[alan aragon]

10) Protein Absorption – is the body really limited to a certain amount of protein that it can absorb at once (outside of obvious discrepancies between a 120lb individual and a 240lb individual)?

A) Assumingly, the best times to load up on protein would be post-workout (after vigorous activity) and after you break your “fast” in the morning, correct?

Alan: Nope, fit it in before the day is up & you’ll be fine. I’ve written extensively on this in my research review.

That was just part of the article. unless i read it wrong. Unless you are an endurance athlete who trains depletes gylcogen storages multiple times per day (which i assume none of us are since we arent on an edurance forum) . Timing meals isnt important. The important thing is fitting ur calorie/macro/micro needs in a 24 hour period. Meal timing can be beneficial based on how the individual feels but as far as body composition it doesnt matter. So unless you changed ur mind about that then i apologize but im saying. You dont have to be pin point about meal timing to achieve optimal results.

also. you might want to address this to the MISC as well because they think Meal Timing is irrelevant as well and they are quoting you on it.

Meal timing is of distantly secondary relevance to hitting your totals. This does not mean that it's completely irrelevant. Meal timing can indeed affect body composition depending on how much it helps or hinders training performance - and this will vary with the individual. For bodybuilding/strength-training purposes, there certainly is a lot of hope that training in a simultaneous state of hyperaminoacidemia/hyperinsulinemia would enable a greater delivery of nutrients & thus a faster rate of muscle protein accretion over time, but thus far the evidence for this is weak. Same goes for the postexercise "anabolic window." Here's more reading for you in this long-winded post: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post678321011

[alan aragon]

you keep telling urself that. Protein Powder which is not regulated by the FDA, which we have no idea whats actually in the powder (look up scifit). If you prefer to drink a powder shake over whole foods than you dun goofed. Im slowly wearing off my shakes because they just dont provide the benefits that whole foods do.

As far as safety/purity/label accuracy regulation goes, I'm gonna guess that ON isn't the only company whose products are GMP certified: http://www.optimumnutrition.com/news.php?article=435

As for providing the same benefits as whole foods, whey kicks absolute ass in the full range of protein ranking indexes:


www.jssm.org/vol3/n3/2/v3n3-2pdf.pdf

[xpin2winx]

As far as safety/purity/label accuracy regulation goes, I'm gonna guess that ON isn't the only company whose products are GMP certified: http://www.optimumnutrition.com/news.php?article=435

As for providing the same benefits as whole foods, whey kicks absolute ass in the full range of protein ranking indexes:


www.jssm.org/vol3/n3/2/v3n3-2pdf.pdf

then again, its all how it makes an individual feels. I feel more energized or just all around better eating a chicken breast or piece of fish compared to drinking shakes. I drink shakes purely for convienance.

[lucifer0512]

heres my solution, smoke alot of pot & eat like a boss, gained 10 lbs in a month doing so =P i went from 148-158 just by smoking pot, and if you ever watched dbz, i eat like goku while im stoned lol

[xpin2winx]

then again, its all how it makes an individual feels. I feel more energized or just all around better eating a chicken breast or piece of fish compared to drinking shakes. I drink shakes purely for convienance.

haha fuk yea im green again. thanks alan

[FaIIen]

Dat rep power... *DROOLS*

[spiderman997]

haha fuk yea im green again. thanks alan

[SuppFiend]

heres my solution, smoke alot of pot & eat like a boss, gained 10 lbs in a month doing so =P i went from 148-158 just by smoking pot, and if you ever watched dbz, i eat like goku while im stoned lol

This.

Due to economic restrictions ive stoped with the supps to by im in college and we have a buffet i can eat at 3 times a day and i can order unlimited grilled chicken, rice, veggies, sandwhichs and tacos plus whatever else there serving so its easy for me to hit my calorie mark

[alan aragon]

heres my solution, smoke alot of pot & eat like a boss, gained 10 lbs in a month doing so =P i went from 148-158 just by smoking pot, and if you ever watched dbz, i eat like goku while im stoned lol

^Just please stay in school.