Help me, sister posted ******** with head scarf on and I am a bigot.

[Archangel_Lost]

Let them believe what they want. Wise people will find ways to find solace and goodness in their religion, and idiots will be idiots regardless of what they believe.

[BBmisc420196]

saying simply atheist means gnostic atheist. otherwise you'd say agnostic atheist


actually that's not the definition of atheism, educate yourself

All of this is wrong... I like how you ignored my questions completely too

Atheism does not have the same logic base. Non-belief is the default position for everything. When someone makes a claim, like some supernatural entity exists, it is on THEM to provide evidence for their claim. Atheism means lack of belief in a god, it does not mean absolute certainty that god isnt real.
So do people who believe in fairy's have the same logic base as those who do not? Ok then we can use your irrational logic. I'm saying fairy's are real, prove they are not! If you claim that, "fairy's arnt real" are you claiming absolute certinty? Of course not, just how when I say there is no god I dont KNOW that there is no god. Wanting evidence before belief is completely rational....

still waiting.....

[Ultimate Genetics]

You'll like Dawkins and/or Hitchens views.

The difference is, I think, Dawkins, and Hitchens to a lesser degree do not rage out when they see religious ceremonies. Maybe they would rage though if they saw their own flesh and blood participating. I do not know the background of the family of either person.

[CanadaBBOY]

You can have control, but of your own life, the harder you push the harder you get pushed back.

That is the ultimate goal for EVERYONE. And religion is the worst force for removing control of your life.

"Hey don't worry, nothing you can do, god has decreed this/made this so/made you this way, etc."

It makes you a slave and removes your free will. It says it doesn't matter what you want or try to do, because it will end up the way god wants it. That is horrible.

The slogan of Islam is to submit to god as a slave.

[bilaba70]

is that sub zero?

just let her do what she wants OP, she will learn from her own decisions

lmao xD

[theendisnear]

I'm not making any unfounded claims

saying that there is no god is an unfounded claim

So do people who believe in fairy's have the same logic base as those who do not?

you can't prove that fairies don't exist. "If you claim that, "fairy's arnt real" are you claiming absolute certinty? " yes

[ssj9mysticgoku]

how is atheism different from religion? you're believing in something despite the fact that there's absolutely no evidence to prove it. how can you really know that there is no god? you can't. we don't know how the universe works. things you think you "know" right now may not be true at all, like for example how the theory of relativity stated that no element with mass could move faster than the speed of light yet tests proved that a neutrino was actually capable of doing it. how do you explain this? if you're saying that you're unwilling to open your mind to new possibilities you're just as ignorant and close minded as theists

neutrino error proved to be experimental error. einstein's theory holds. also, if someone didn't teach a person religion? would they be religious. Surely something so natural and real should be realized by everyone and not brain washed into having faith. there are reasons to believe in a higher power and those that do will always come up with a backwards rationale. It sucks that its impossible for athiests to convince christian/muslims otherwise but we don't really care since most religious values are pro-society anyways. (could list the ones that aren't, but I won't be bothered for now).

TLDR RELIGION IS TAUGHT TO PEOPLE, SCIENCE IS LEARNED THROUGH TRIAL AND ERROR IN THE HUMAN LIFE. GUESS WHAT KIND OF LEARNING STYLE HELPS MAN THE MOST?

[Whitecokofpeace]

lol, y u mad thou?

it's so funny to see some ppl ranting about religion. if it really was so stupid and silly, then why do you care so much? just leave it alone.

Religion causes so much **** in this world. **** religion, religion will be the end of this world.

[CanadaBBOY]

saying that there is no god is an unfounded claim

Based on all science, history, reason, logic, etc. It is a safe assumption, but obviously not "100% provable".


I don't have to see 100% proof that there is NOT a giant purple muppet monster floating around the moon controlling our thoughts, because in all reasonable logic and reason and observation that is not the truth.

Saying "you can't prove it so it must be true" is the worst line of logic and argument that you can make, and no surprisingly the absolute most common one that religious people go to when confronted.

[BBmisc420196]

saying that there is no god is an unfounded claim

Replace the word god with any supernatural or make believe thing.

saying that there are no fairy's is an unfounded claim

saying that there are no pink flying unicorns is an unfounded claim

saying that there is no Zeus is an unfounded claim

ya, I love your reasoning. Nice sound logic you have.

It's tiring that people like you cannot grasp the simplest of concepts. The burden of proof is on the person MAKING THE CLAIM. Disbelief ISNT a claim. I dont believe in fairys! Hurr durr It looks like im making a claim, I gotta prove to you somehow that fairys dont exist! If I cant do that, I guess we have equal footing.... uh... wrong.

[BrandoAus]

That is the ultimate goal for EVERYONE. And religion is the worst force for removing control of your life.

"Hey don't worry, nothing you can do, god has decreed this/made this so/made you this way, etc."

It makes you a slave and removes your free will. It says it doesn't matter what you want or try to do, because it will end up the way god wants it. That is horrible.

The slogan of Islam is to submit to god as a slave.

I am saying you can do anything you want like you said 'free will', I quote bruce lee 'the greatest power requires the lightest touch', how is this relevant? Well if you try to force things then you will get equal force back, if you actually stop trying to control and just let yourself be then you will find great ease in life no matter what anyone else is doing. srs.

[Whitecokofpeace]

saying that there is no god is an unfounded claim


you can't prove that fairies don't exist. "If you claim that, "fairy's arnt real" are you claiming absolute certinty? " yes

You are delusional, strong 'claims' *******

[CanadaBBOY]

Replace the word god with any supernatural or make believe thing.

Also, pretend you had different parents and were born in different country. Now pick whatever religion is dominant in that country and that is the religion you would be following, and you would believe it was the "right" one just as strong as you believe your current one is the "right" one.

Religion is cultural and geographical, not divine or special in any way. You believe what you do because you happened to be born in a geographical location that favours a certain cult over another. Now go back in time, and you would find different geographical regions believing in totally different religions than they do in present day, and again you would be believing in something totally different (but just as incorrect).

[hiimzac]

saying that there is no god is an unfounded claim

i agree -- to say with absolute certainty that there is no god is not possible. we can be absolutely certain of nothing. most atheists accept this, and those that don't are being hypocritical.

but we can say, with insurmountable evidence, that none of the deities envisioned by humanity thus far hold up under even the most shallow of inspections. religiosity is explained by indoctrination and known glitches in human cognition. but like neil tyson says, it's an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance, and it's only a matter of time until this battle is over for good.

[bobbobson]

bro don't feel like you need to be tolerant of things that are f*cking retarded

[theendisnear]

Based on all science, history, reason, logic, etc. It is a safe assumption, but obviously not "100% provable".


I don't have to see 100% proof that there is NOT a giant purple muppet monster floating around the moon controlling our thoughts, because in all reasonable logic and reason and observation that is not the truth.

Saying "you can't prove it so it must be true" is the worst line of logic and argument that you can make, and no surprisingly the absolute most common one that religious people go to when confronted.

I'm not saying that it's true because you can't prove it, and I'm not religious. I'm saying that you can't say whether something is true or not when you have no evidence to back it up. if you're saying that you're not 100% sure that god doesn't exist then your previous comments are invalidated because you're not actually atheist, but rather agnostic atheist

i agree -- to say with absolute certainty that there is no god is not possible. we can be absolutely certain of nothing. most atheists accept this, and those that don't are being hypocritical.

but we can say, with insurmountable evidence, that none of the deities envisioned by humanity thus far hold up under even the most shallow of inspections. religiosity is explained by indoctrination and known glitches in human cognition. but like neil tyson says, it's an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance, and it's only a matter of time until this battle is over for good.

I agree with that. this, again, means that atheism (gnostic atheism for those of you obsessed with technicalities) has the same logical base as theism, just like I said in my first post.

[ZakAlreadyExist]

Why is this disbeliever whôre posting a picture of her face with all this makeup ?
SHE'S GOING TO HELL BRO YEAH

[CanadaBBOY]

I am saying you can do anything you want like you said 'free will', I quote bruce lee 'the greatest power requires the lightest touch', how is this relevant? Well if you try to force things then you will get equal force back, if you actually stop trying to control and just let yourself be then you will find great ease in life no matter what anyone else is doing. srs.

Yea that is a great philosophy for you to be personally happy, but not everyone is a weak and passive person who is OK with the suffering and evil in the world.

There are huge problems in the world, not just religion, and most people follow the same ideology as you do. "It doesn't directly affect me, so **** it". Some people think big picture, to the future of our families, or species, our planet, etc.

[lightweight99]

Why would a WOMAN choose to be a muslim knowing what everyone knows about the religion??????

If she's this dumb OP, just kill her.

[BBmisc420196]

Also, pretend you had different parents and were born in different country. Now pick whatever religion is dominant in that country and that is the religion you would be following, and you would believe it was the "right" one just as strong as you believe your current one is the "right" one.

Religion is cultural and geographical, not divine or special in any way. You believe what you do because you happened to be born in a geographical location that favours a certain cult over another. Now go back in time, and you would find different geographical regions believing in totally different religions than they do in present day, and again you would be believing in something totally different (but just as incorrect).

Exactly....

I'm not saying that it's true because you can't prove it, and I'm not religious. I'm saying that you can't say whether something is true or not when you have no evidence to back it up. if you're saying that you're not 100% sure that god doesn't exist then your previous comments are invalidated because you're not actually atheist, but rather agnostic atheist

ya you are a fukkin tool. Only interested in using semantics, and poorly at that. Ive tried to engage you like 5 times, and you have had no rebuttal at all. No matter how much you plug your ears and rock back and fourth repeating "Atheist means 100%" it doesnt make it true. Every single Atheist here is telling you exactly what they believe, and you are choosing to ignore it and claim YOU know what THEY believe...

[hiimzac]

Replace the word god with any supernatural or make believe thing.







ya, I love your reasoning. Nice sound logic you have.

he's playing semantics. it's a way to try to catch you in what is, admittedly, a fallacious position to hold. most atheists just take for granted, however, that people know we are rejecting the specific deities envisioned by humanity, and not the outright possibility of a deity existing at all.

you must consider that affirming a negative is in fact making a claim. to say definitively that something does not exist is a claim that requires evidence. we currently do not understand the natural world well enough to make that claim. we do understand it well enough to reject every religion humanity has come up with thus far, though.

[CanadaBBOY]

I'm not saying that it's true because you can't prove it, and I'm not religious. I'm saying that you can't say whether something is true or not when you have no evidence to back it up. if you're saying that you're not 100% sure that god doesn't exist then your previous comments are invalidated because you're not actually atheist, but rather agnostic atheist

I am 100% sure god doesn't exist as they are described in religion, and the only way "gods" exist is if they were aliens from another solar system visiting us. I obviously have no direct proof, so I can't really say 100% in a debate setting.

And no, it doesn't invalidate my previous posts, that is a complete non sequitor.

[BrandoAus]

Yea that is a great philosophy for you to be personally happy, but not everyone is a weak and passive person who is OK with the suffering and evil in the world.

There are huge problems in the world, not just religion, and most people follow the same ideology as you do. "It doesn't directly affect me, so **** it". Some people think big picture, to the future of our families, or species, our planet, etc.

And you think approaching this with hostility and invalidity will help in some way?

[CanadaBBOY]

he's playing semantics. it's a way to try to catch you in what is, admittedly, a fallacious position to hold. most atheists just take for granted, however, that people know we are rejecting the specific deities envisioned by humanity, and not the outright possibility of a deity existing at all.

you must consider that affirming a negative is in fact making a claim. to say definitively that something does not exist is a claim that requires evidence. we currently do not understand the natural world well enough to make that claim. we do understand it well enough to reject every religion humanity has come up with thus far, though.

Great post.

[Problem]

why don't you let your sister choose what she wants to follow? Who are you to control her life? Would you rage if she tired to control you and force you to follow a religion when you're an atheist?

You're a selfish *******, self centered and pretty opinionated. I wish noone has to deal with you in real life.

[Ultimate Genetics]

Why would a WOMAN choose to be a muslim knowing what everyone knows about the religion??????

If she's this dumb OP, just kill her.

I chuckled. I think she feels that muslims who practice abuse towards women are not following the quran correctly. According to her the quran elevates woman and protects them.

why don't you let your sister choose what she wants to follow? Who are you to control her life? Would you rage if she tired to control you and force you to follow a religion when you're an atheist?

You're a selfish *******, self centered and pretty opinionated. I Qwish noone has to deal with you in real life.

Why don't you read the post you idiot. I didn't say I wanted to change her religion, I said I wanted to tolerate it. Stupid ******* noobs reading only the title and coming in to post without reading ****.

[hiimzac]

I agree with that. this, again, means that atheism (gnostic atheism for those of you obsessed with technicalities) has the same logical base as theism, just like I said in my first post.

that's fine, but it seems to me like you're more concerned with feeling superior to both groups than you are facilitating any real discussion. academia stresses specificity and clarity of intent specifically so that this type of nonsense doesn't pollute what would otherwise be worthy discourse.

[Problem]

Why would a WOMAN choose to be a muslim knowing what everyone knows about the religion??????

If she's this dumb OP, just kill her.

you're ignorant and know nothing about women and Islam, go kill yourself.

[Bowyermania]

Atheists can be such a buzz kill sometimes. Always having to ruin believers good times, trying to explain how intelligent they are.

[CanadaBBOY]

And you think approaching this with hostility and invalidity will help in some way?

There are a lot of ways to approach it, and we must take all of them.

Most religious people, as most uneducated and scared people do, get angry in the face of this approach and cling even tighter to their unfounded beliefs. I'm not the kind of person to baby people, since I have zero patients of stupidity.

One way of doing things is to be totally honest and open (which is harsh and cold sometimes), and make religion viewed as a laughing stock (as it is), so that people feel less comfortable identifying with it. People will proudly tell you they are a muslim or christian, because all of their community support them and make it seem like the good thing to be. If religions were openly and rightfully viewed as a laughing stock, people would be embarrassed to cite their association with them, which would decrease their power and influence and help drive them away.

There is NO good way to wrestle someone away from a cult that they've been indoctrinated into, and so we must invest in all avenues persuasion to accomplish our goals. I take one route that suits me, you take yours.