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    Bench vs Row

    I'm wondering how much people here barbell row in relation to their barbell bench. If you dumbbell bench and/or dumbbell row then please share that too. Also if you do the different exercises in a different rep range then mention this also. I'm wanting to know where most people are at in a relative sense in the weight used for these two exercises.


    Edit: Well this has been interesting. I've done a tally, and it would appear that 11 people said that they could row more than they benched, while 11 people said they could bench more than they row. This data is based off posts 2 to 62. I may add data if this thread expnds significantly.



    Note that post 4,9, 17, 25, 27, that I've included in my tally includes: Post 2:
    if you cant row more than bench then you were clearly a bench curler at one point in your life
    I counted this because of the obvious implication that he could row more, despite not saying by how much.


    I also counted post 35. I thought you should know because the bolded portion makes it not perfectly reliable.

    I can probably do a strict barbell row with about half my bench. Any BB rows are usually sets of 10 between 135-175 lbs. I keep my rows strict. I don't do them that often though.


    I also counted post 57 as a vote for rows.


    db's
    95's on bench
    145 on rows

    bb's
    250 for bench
    205 for rows

    sense... this makes none!>!

    Despite the barbell bench being stronger than the barbell row, the dumbell variation was high enough that I ruled it down to a weak lower back.




    There is some difficulty involved here. How do we know good form is used on either exercise? Some of the rows could be utilizing quad drive or using a half ROM. This could also be the case with the bench press but it has more credibility because row ROM is harder to judge, meanwhile you've got the simplicity in judging bench press: if it doesn't touch your chest and end with your arms extended then it doesn't count. There are probably people here that don't know this but IMO it has a better case than the difficult to measure barbell row ROM.



    I don't know a lot about body mechanics. If someone has long arms then they're going to be a better deadlifter than a bencher, but I don't know how someone could be built for benching but not rowing and vise versa.



    From the data its difficult to form an objective judgement but I suspect that several of the people who could row more than they bench could only do so due to 'cheating'. There may be, (hell, there probably are), a few guys here who row without momentum from leg drive but cheat at bench press, putting their bench numbers ahead.


    (I'm just doing this thing out of curiosity by the way)
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    if you cant row more than bench then you were clearly a bench curler at one point in your life
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    much more for my row and i use higher reps with the rows in an attempt to build up some thickness.

    bench: ~300 with pause DB's: 100's x6-8?

    pendlay rows: 225 for 20 probably DB rows: 130's for 25+
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    There is no way in hell I can bb row more than I flat bench. Anyone who can is probably not throwing up much weight.
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    I pyramid up to 315 on both. I do a few more reps on rows, though.
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    Originally Posted by oskarhul09 View Post
    if you cant row more than bench then you were clearly a bench curler at one point in your life
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    much more for my row and i use higher reps with the rows in an attempt to build up some thickness.

    bench: ~300 with pause DB's: 100's x6-8?

    pendlay rows: 225 for 20 probably DB rows: 130's for 25+
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    Originally Posted by getz1 View Post
    There is no way in hell I can bb row more than I flat bench. Anyone who can is probably not throwing up much weight.

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    its been said that a man should be slightly stronger at rows than bench.

    that being said, i absolutely love rows, its a great brute strength exercise. one of my strongest lifts too
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    Last time I bench and rowed I did

    Bench: 245 3x5
    Row: 275 3x4

    I also have done DB rows 115 5x10 recently
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    i can row alot more than i can bench.
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    It would seem that most people row more than they bench, and the raw bench record is like 715 pounds. Does this mean that there's a guy out there who can row more than this? Mind=blown
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    are u guys talking bent over barbell row, or pendlay row (pull from the ground) ... big difference
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    Originally Posted by NZninja101 View Post
    It would seem that most people row more than they bench, and the raw bench record is like 715 pounds. Does this mean that there's a guy out there who can row more than this? Mind=blown
    the mechanics are very different once you reach that kind of weight.

    there is no momentum in a row to work off of or muscle to push off of.
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    Originally Posted by racketteer View Post
    much more for my row and i use higher reps with the rows in an attempt to build up some thickness.

    bench: ~300 with pause DB's: 100's x6-8?

    pendlay rows: 225 for 20 probably DB rows: 130's for 25+
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    You should always be able to bench more than you can row. Quite a bit more.
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    I row with very strict form now, if I used sh*tty form like I did before, I could prob row the same as my bench

    as it stands bench is stronger
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    Originally Posted by ftwrestler View Post
    holy ****

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    yea lol. i've got a recent back pic if you care to take a look. the size difference between my front and back is quite ridiculous.
    Originally Posted by FeelTheFear View Post
    You should always be able to bench more than you can row. Quite a bit more.
    I think that depends more on benching style than raw strength.
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    strong form on these rows (not me)
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    i bench 245x5 and last time i rowed i did 235x5..
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    Originally Posted by racketteer View Post
    yea lol. i've got a recent back pic if you care to take a look. the size difference between my front and back is quite ridiculous.


    I think that depends more on benching style than raw strength.
    wow man. i are impress. jelly. I think i can pendlay row 225 for 6-7. I am 170fat however
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    Originally Posted by ftwrestler View Post
    wow man. i are impress. jelly. I think i can pendlay row 225 for 6-7. I am 170fat however
    have you ever done any rowing movements with really high reps? somewhere around 20-30 is what i like to do for my burnout sets.

    I think they made my back size and strength explode but I like to throw in high rep burnouts for almost any muscle depending on how I feel that day.
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    Originally Posted by racketteer View Post
    have you ever done any rowing movements with really high reps? somewhere around 20-30 is what i like to do for my burnout sets.

    I think they made my back size and strength explode but I like to throw in high rep burnouts for almost any muscle depending on how I feel that day.
    i dont train for size.


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    I can row more than I can bench. Always have probably always will. From weakest to strongest:

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    Originally Posted by racketteer View Post
    the mechanics are very different once you reach that kind of weight.

    there is no momentum in a row to work off of or muscle to push off of.
    Why are the mechanics different at a certain weight?

    How can momentum in bench press be used that cannot also be used in a row? Since you could bounce the weight off your chest, (something you can't do with a row), I can see the possible advantage there but otherwise I can't see it.
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    Originally Posted by NZninja101 View Post
    Why are the mechanics different at a certain weight?

    How can momentum in bench press be used that cannot also be used in a row? Since you could bounce the weight off your chest, (something you can't do with a row), I can see the possible advantage there but otherwise I can't see it.
    the larger you are the more mass you have to push off of, mainly the lats.

    a proper powerlifting bench press is supposed to be done by "tearing" the bar apart to activate your tris more and to flare your lats out( they create a shelf to push off of basically). the smaller the guy, the less of a reliance on the lats as the main pusher and a bigger emphasis is put on the shoulders and chest.

    now a massive guy like scot mendelson will most likely have a very strong row as well but since his main pusher is the lats in the bench press it takes the strength of his back + all of the bench press pushers into account (shoulders, tris, chest)

    also dealing with momentum, you are storing energy to release as the muscles are all being lengthened on the way down. there is no negative to work off of with a pendlay row. of course momentum can be used to a great extent if you want to completely disregard form


    try flaring your lats as hard as you can and you will see how much and how powerfully they can raise your arms.
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