2012 NFL Combine Discussion Thread

[JamesGatz83]

- Benching 225 for reps is the dumbest combine test of all and has next to no translation to the field. Playing offensive line is about footwork and leg drive.

But if there's ever a situation where I need my center to lay flat on his back and rep out with the opposing team's safety, I'll take David Molk in a heartbeat.

- Michael Brockers is enormous. Measured in at 6-7, 322. More athletic version of John Henderson?

[phillyfreak7]

you are also 7" shorter than a lot of these guys and have much, much shorter arms

Mike Pouncey didnt even lift he was so weak, and look where he ended up.

I also weigh half as much and have been lifting for 2 years.

I know the 225 bench press doesn't say much about a player's ability on the field, but you would think some of these guys would take some damn pride trying to make themselves as strong and as athletic as they possibly can.

[Yank11]

combine is essentially pointless for OL except for the height/weight and being able to watch their footwork

12:30pm = TE 40s

[kethnaab]

- Benching 225 for reps is the dumbest combine test of all and has next to no translation to the field. Playing offensive line is about footwork and leg drive.

has less to do with 'onfield translation' and more to do with 'work ethic'

rumors of Adams' lack of desire and laziness just got some confirmation.

- Michael Brockers is enormous. Measured in at 6-7, 322. More athletic version of John Henderson?

good lord. seriously?!?!?

[Yank11]

has less to do with 'onfield translation' and more to do with 'work ethic'

rumors of Adams' lack of desire and laziness just got some confirmation.

this is actually what they are talking about a lot during the OL events. The scores don't really matter but their technique shows how much they have prepared for the event and scouts use that to judge them. Like some guard just ran the 40 but didn't run a straight line and had poor form, whereas some other guys ran with perfect form and may have had a slower time, but they obviously put all the hours in to bring their best to the combine

[kethnaab]

reps for someone that gets me a link to UPDATED combine results

[ChuteBoxeFC]

Do you think players purposely tank at the combine so a better team has a chance of selecting them later?

[Yank11]

reps for someone that gets me a link to UPDATED combine results

it updates frequently, might not be 100% up to the minute though, but its real close

http://footballsfuture.com/2012/combine/ot.html

was posted earlier in the thread

[JamesGatz83]

has less to do with 'onfield translation' and more to do with 'work ethic'

rumors of Adams' lack of desire and laziness just got some confirmation.

good lord. seriously?!?!?

I agree with you there. It's probably the easiest of the tests to prepare for/improve on. It does make a statement when these guys show up and blow it.

Ha, yeah. Check it out: http://walterfootball.com/combine2012DL.php . I like him a lot as a 3-4 DE/4-3 DT hybrid.

Walter Football updates these results very frequently. It's almost live.

[RollinSwollin28]

Do you think players purposely tank at the combine so a better team has a chance of selecting them later?

Can't tell if you're trolling?

[JamesGatz83]

Josh Oglesby, OT from Wisconsin, is in the lead for the title of slowest man at the combine. Ran the 40 in 5.78.

Curious to see what Orson Charles runs. Dude reminds me of Vernon Davis a lot.

[scarletngrey]

As a very avid OSU fan, this is the first I have heard of Mike Adams being rumored as lazy.

Mike Adams is going to be an outstanding pro. He was soft as a freshman, but then dominated the more he played. Scouts will check out the film of him killing some very good defensive ends as a junior and will judge him off of that.

I really hope the Browns take him with their second pick in the first round and stick him at right tackle. Although wide receiver may be a better option as well.

This is just my opinion, and it is not because I am an OSU fan. Chris Wells is lazy and soft as charmin. Ginn is soft too, theres no reason he shouldnt be an elite wide receiver. But Adams is a beast and will be an elite tackle.

[batman15]

has less to do with 'onfield translation' and more to do with 'work ethic'

rumors of Adams' lack of desire and laziness just got some confirmation.

Which Adams are you referring to?

[xvicknumber7x]

- Michael Brockers is enormous. Measured in at 6-7, 322. More athletic version of John Henderson?

Jesus Christ... hope he's athletic enough (no Mandarich).

[ChuteBoxeFC]

Can't tell if you're trolling?

Not really. If some scouts are stupid enough to take all this bullsh!t today seriously, I'd show up overweight and run a crap 40 and bench crap numbers.

[xvicknumber7x]

Josh Oglesby, OT from Wisconsin, is in the lead for the title of slowest man at the combine. Ran the 40 in 5.78.

Curious to see what Orson Charles runs. Dude reminds me of Vernon Davis a lot.

I think he's like 30 pounds heavier than VD, but still comes off as surprisingly athletic. I'm curious as well.

Do you think players purposely tank at the combine so a better team has a chance of selecting them later?

BRB bombing the most important job interview of my life to potentially land outside of the draft and broke. Any scout and prospect not taking the combine seriously needs to be out of a job. Gotta be trolling.

[KaTaNa111]

- Benching 225 for reps is the dumbest combine test of all and has next to no translation to the field. Playing offensive line is about footwork and leg drive.

But if there's ever a situation where I need my center to lay flat on his back and rep out with the opposing team's safety, I'll take David Molk in a heartbeat.

- Michael Brockers is enormous. Measured in at 6-7, 322. More athletic version of John Henderson?

they just want to see how strong they are. If hes a good player hes a good player but you gotta know if he is weaker than average before you draft him.

[Yank11]

Not really. If some scouts are stupid enough to take all this bullsh!t today seriously, I'd show up overweight and run a crap 40 and bench crap numbers.

if there wasn't money on the table people would probably do it, but the difference in pay you'd get as a top 5 vs a late 20s pick would change your mind

[ChuteBoxeFC]

BRB bombing the most important job interview of my life to potentially land outside of the draft and broke. Any scout and prospect not taking the combine seriously needs to be out of a job. Gotta be trolling.

I'm not talking about guys that need to perform well. I'm talking about projected 1st rounders. If Andrew Luck overthrew receivers at the combine do you think scouts would look at him differently or do you think his stock would go down?

Even though I think the Bench Press is fuking stupid, I don't understand how an offensive lineman fails at 18 reps.

[JamesGatz83]

I think he's like 30 pounds heavier than VD, but still comes off as surprisingly athletic. I'm curious as well.

BRB bombing the most important job interview of my life to potentially land outside of the draft and broke. Any scout and prospect not taking the combine seriously needs to be out of a job. Gotta be trolling.

They're actually about the same size. Vernon is 6-3, 250. Charles measured in at 6-2, 251.

LOL, yeah. Nobody is going to tank the combine. There's a slotting system. Typically, the lower you're picked, the less money you make.

they just want to see how strong they are. If hes a good player hes a good player but you gotta know if he is weaker than average before you draft him.

True, but reps of 225 tests strength endurance, not limit strength. Bench and squat maxes would be more valid tests, granted there are practical reasons they don't do that.

[ChuteBoxeFC]

True, but reps of 225 tests strength endurance, not limit strength. Bench and squat maxes would be more valid tests, granted there are practical reasons they don't do that.

Players still hurt themselves every year doing the bench for reps.

I would rather them do Squats for reps. Not only is it a more accurate gauge of relevant strength, but it's requires a whole lot more mental toughness than bench.

[Yank11]

Players still hurt themselves every year doing the bench for reps.

I would rather them do Squats for reps. Not only is it a more accurate gauge of relevant strength, but it's requires a whole lot more mental toughness than bench.

squats would also show more preparedness in terms of form too, but would probably be a lot more injuries

[kethnaab]

As a very avid OSU fan, this is the first I have heard of Mike Adams being rumored as lazy.

then you haven't been paying attention. I'm not saying he is or he isn't, but that's all I've heard, is that he lacks desire

Which Adams are you referring to?

Mike, OT from OSU

I think he's like 30 pounds heavier than VD, but still comes off as surprisingly athletic. I'm curious as well

VD was 254 at his combine. assuming you're talking about Vernon Davis

[ChuteBoxeFC]

squats would also show more preparedness in terms of form too, but would probably be a lot more injuries

True. I think it would depend on the weight though. They'd probably have to tweak it for different position groups. Maybe slightly less for DB'S, RB's & WR's compared to OL, DL, LB's etc

[xvicknumber7x]

I'm not talking about guys that need to perform well. I'm talking about projected 1st rounders. If Andrew Luck overthrew receivers at the combine do you think scouts would look at him differently or do you think his stock would go down?

Even though I think the Bench Press is fuking stupid, I don't understand how an offensive lineman fails at 18 reps.

I like to think a lot of these guys have pride in their skills and want to be the best at everything they attempt relating to their sport. Who wouldn't want to be taken #1 overall? To go against that undermines all the work you have ever put in to your craft.

They're actually about the same size. Vernon is 6-3, 250. Charles measured in at 6-2, 251.

LOL, yeah. Nobody is going to tank the combine. There's a slotting system. Typically, the lower you're picked, the less money you make.

My bad, I must have been looking at a different tight end last night. Vernon doesn't look 250 to me, maybe it's the speed that is deceiving. What a fcking beast.

[JamesGatz83]

Players still hurt themselves every year doing the bench for reps.

I would rather them do Squats for reps. Not only is it a more accurate gauge of relevant strength, but it's requires a whole lot more mental toughness than bench.

I agree. I'd much rather see squat tested than bench. Definitely a more relevant movement for football.

[JamesGatz83]

My bad, I must have been looking at a different tight end last night. Vernon doesn't look 250 to me, maybe it's the speed that is deceiving. What a fcking beast.

Yeah, he's so lean that he looks lighter than he is. Charles is built similarly, but he's a little shorter and more stout.

[ChuteBoxeFC]

Speaking of the Bench, Some guy tore his pec doing the Bench for reps and is now done at the combine. Again every year someone get injured and tbh, I don't think a lot of strength coaches that prep these guys know how to teach proper bench form. Some guys have a narrow grips, some have a normal grip, some go too wide, some can't control the bar, benching uneven.

Any time you get up to as many reps as they are doing you are sacrificing form and setting yourself up for injury.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/02/25/torn...headline_stack

[xvicknumber7x]

It's interesting to think that I can beat potential NFL OL prospects in a 40-yard dash... even if they have 100+ lbs on me.

[TheDude1987]

I'm not talking about guys that need to perform well. I'm talking about projected 1st rounders. If Andrew Luck overthrew receivers at the combine do you think scouts would look at him differently or do you think his stock would go down?

Even though I think the Bench Press is fuking stupid, I don't understand how an offensive lineman fails at 18 reps.

brb tanking at the combine to go lower... getting bumped a round and being taken 1st in the second round. ****tier team for less money. No point in risking it.