Humans are so freakin arrogant it sickens me (srs)(big bang related)

[fat2fit21]

You can literally see titian and its motion. You can't see something that happened "14 billion years ago". ****bag

So you have been watching titan every moment of your life since the moment you were born?

[KRANE]

No one was present when Titan made the last full orbit of Saturn. Do you care to refute the fact that the last full orbit of Titan around Saturn happened?

Ah, now you're becoming aware.

umm, the mind is a state not a physical thing, hence "state of mind." Consciousness, unconsciousness, a state not a thing. The latter two can be proven and have been...

Then you exist, but you don't exist? How you explain that?

[lightweight99]

So you have been watching titan every moment of your life since the moment you were born?

If I had a microscope I could see it right now, tard

[RuckstaR]

You can literally see titian and its motion. You can't see something that happened "14 billion years ago". ****bag

If you were looking toward something 14 billion light years away (a distant system perhaps) you would infact, be seeing something that happened 14 billion years ago. Simpleton.

[fat2fit21]

If I had a microscope I could see it right now, tard

Telescope, not microscope,

so how do you know it is still up there rotating around Jupiter?

[lightweight99]

Telescope, not microscope,

so how do you know it is still up there rotating around Jupiter?

I dont. But I could find out easily if I wanted to.

[Muckle_Ewe]

If I had a microscope I could see it right now, tard

lol

edit: someone cliff this thread.

[RuckstaR]

No, I say that humans didnt just "show up" at all. Life in the form we understand was able to exist due to the presence of liquid water; liquid water was able to exist due to our proximity to our sun (of the uncountably large number of planets in our galaxy, let alone universe, this favourable proximity was bound to happen somewhere) - no divine intervention required here, just odds. Because this particular planet enjoyed such conditions, we saw life evolve and eventually result in humans and the other specias we see today.

As soon as we find another planet with a similar proximity to its sun, putting it in the band where liquid water is present, we will almost undoubtedly discover life at some point in its evolutionary process - whether incredibly basic or incredibly advanced. Maybe they will have a science called God, and a religion/faith called Evolution, but it wont really matter because it wont change the fact that the presence of life there too was a result of a favourable environment that was basically a mathematical certainty too occur somewhere in the universe. Noone had to put us here to take advantage of the fact that the earth has liquid water, and our presence wasn't a coincidence it was a direct result of this particular environment.

Quoting myself here...

I might also add that i dont understand the following:

If we assume God created life, and point out that our planet's unique ability to support life is also somehow tied to God, and we acknowledge God to be "all powerful" as most Christians do, why then did he randomly decide to create life that was dependant on liquid water (among other things)? Why did he not instead create life capable of living in the vacuum of space? Seems like a reliance on very very rare phenomena in the universe was a strange and limiting decision to make....

[x800venom]

[QUOTE=KRANE;836611441]Ah, now you're becoming aware.Then you exist, but you don't exist? How you explain that?\quote]

i understand the point you are attempting to make but you are using the wrong example to make it....yes, you exist, you physically exist in both states, the state of your awareness doesn't disprove anything your makeup is still present and can be proven both ways.

[x800venom]

Quoting myself here...

I might also add that i dont understand the following:

If we assume God created life, and point out that our planet's unique ability to support life is also somehow tied to God, and we acknowledge God to be "all powerful" as most Christians do, why then did he randomly decide to create life that was dependant on liquid water (among other things)? Why did he not instead create life capable of living in the vacuum of space? Seems like a reliance on very very rare phenomena in the universe was a strange and limiting decision to make....

the only answer you are going to get from this is the typical "its god's will" bull****...which is the same response you'll get every time you ask a question like this...anything that evolution/science proves will generate this reply from religious individuals


Edit: I dont get why its so difficult for people to understand and/or believe that life can be created without God, same with evolution. We know how planets form, we know how certain minerals, chemicals form, its the elements form, same concept with life, just more complex, its the same ****...the chemicals/minerals/makeup of life on this planet are directly correlated to the makeup of the planet itself...why is it so hard to believe this?

[fat2fit21]

I dont. But I could find out easily if I wanted to.

Using your microscope?

[lightweight99]

Using your microscope?

Yes. It's observable

[fat2fit21]

lol

edit: someone cliff this thread.

-OP says humans are arrogant for thinking the big bang theory is true
-People slowly explain big bang theory
-OP goes full retard and displays he is a Scientifically illiterate redneck
-People just start to troll OP for fun

[DyingStar]

WILL THE MISC LET THIS THREAD DIE

HALF OF YOU *******S DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE hell you're talking about

[lightweight99]

WILL THE MISC LET THIS THREAD DIE

HALF OF YOU *******S DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE hell your talking about

You're 17... lmao. You don't know shiet

[fat2fit21]

Yes. It's observable

He doesn't even get the joke... this is sad

[fat2fit21]

WILL THE MISC LET THIS THREAD DIE

HALF OF YOU *******S DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE hell your talking about

*you're

[ralphlauren55]

Its more scientific to believe that everything is an accident than the result of divine creation even though there is order and logic to the universe.

The current theories are that there are 10^10^10,000,000 universes man. With that kind of number the fact that we are in this universe doesn't mean that we were divinely created it just means that this could be the only universe that we can exist in.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...1918971&page=1

[RuckstaR]

WILL THE MISC LET THIS THREAD DIE

HALF OF YOU *******S DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE hell your talking about

your

[Ebola_Virus]

You can literally see titian and its motion. You can't see something that happened "14 billion years ago". ****bag

One 'can literally' see something that happened 14 billion years ago, the only difference between the big bang and the orbit of Titan around Saturn is that what we're 'literally seeing' is something that happened 14 billion years ago ago as opposed to something that happened a couple minutes (estimate) ago. I've decided I will abstain from any further topics on science or physics on the misc. Most of you aren't simply ignorant, which is excusable in some ways, but you lack the mental capacity for simple critical thought. The misc really is a small subset of the most cognitively challenged people on the internet, why has it taken me three years and this thread to realize that?

[lightweight99]

One 'can literally' see something that happened 14 billion years ago, the only difference between the big bang and the orbit of Titan around Saturn is that what we're 'literally seeing' is something that happened 14 billion years ago ago as opposed to something that happened a couple minutes (estimate) ago. I've decided I will abstain from any further topics on science or physics on the misc. Most of you aren't simply ignorant, which is excusable in some ways, but you lack the mental capacity for simple critical thought. The misc really is a small subset of the most cognitively challenged people on the internet.

lol talk about arrogance. This douche is a prime example

[Masterchieffer]

I dont need to come up with an explanation of it. That's what I'm saying. It's something that can't be known so these fukking nerd scientists sitting there on TV telling millions of people this bullshiit with so much certainty pisses me off.

Thought I was the only one with this viewpoint. I feel the same about religion, I have no clue where we came from or why we're here and neither does anyone else. Don't know why people have such a hard time saying "I don't know"


This thread will be flooded with atheists trashing religion, when at the same time, they have no idea. NO ONE F*CKING KNOWS HOW WE CAME TO BE!!

/Thread

lol at people saying the big bang theory is bullshet and saying the origins of the universe are "something that cant be known". Really? and who the fuk might you be?

And I'm not saying the BBT is right, I simply don't know enough about the BBT (BS in Physics BTW) to accept it fully and neither do 99% of you. However, I commend the scientists for attempting to make an objective interpretation of the facts, and for any of you to say "you can't say that!" without ANY knowledge of the facts their theories are based, amounts to willful ignorance.

You also have to realize that when it is presented as fact in the show, it is because 1. the director has to make shet sell, and 2. it is a theory created by some of the greatest intellectual minds on the planet, and you could commit your entire mental capacity and the rest of your life to studying physics, and you would still have a hard time disproving, or making any contribution to the BBT, and that is the same with any good theory.

hope this helps, btw I only read the first page and had to stop due to rage.

[Ebola_Virus]

One 'can literally' see something that happened 14 billion years ago, the only difference between the big bang and the orbit of Titan around Saturn is that what we're 'literally seeing' is something that happened 14 billion years ago ago as opposed to something that happened a couple minutes (estimate) ago. I've decided I will abstain from any further topics on science or physics on the misc. Most of you aren't simply ignorant, which is excusable in some ways, but you lack the mental capacity for simple critical thought. The misc really is a small subset of the most cognitively challenged people on the internet, why has it taken me three years and this thread to realize that?

lol talk about arrogance. This douche is a prime example

Do you care to address the meat of my argument or just throw insults? The only reason I threw one is because you've failed to address any of the arguments opposing your stance without adding '****bag', or 'douche****', or something of the sort in at the end of your obviously uninformed posts. Now, I'll ask again, we can 'literally' (I hate that word) see things that happened 14 billion years ago, does this change your stance or do you stand firm on your claim that we cannot, in fact, measure background radiation?

[fat2fit21]

lol talk about arrogance. This douche is a prime example

the light from titan reaches your eyeballs in about 14 minutes from titan, so as you observe titan, you are seeing it as it was 14 mins ago.

People studying the big bang are seeing the universe as it was 14 billion years ago, because it took 14 billion years for the light to reach their eyes so they could observe it.


Can you tell me how these two observation methods are different?


(Other posters, I know this is a gross simplification, but I just don't know any other way to communicate with this guy)

[phillyfreak7]

You didn't watch the same show as me, dipshiit. This is what the entire thread is about. They were so certain about it basically making you feel like it's fact rather than theory. The only one who made it seem like they dunno WTF is going on was Stephen Hawking. And guess what Stephen Hawking said? He said in his own little computer words "If we ever figure out how the universe was made, we will know the mind of God." OMG He said God bros! He must be such a idiot, lmao.

Hawking doesn't believe in a god.

[Muckle_Ewe]

-OP says humans are arrogant for thinking the big bang theory is true
-People slowly explain big bang theory
-OP goes full retard and displays he is a Scientifically illiterate redneck
-People just start to troll OP for fun

I C.

What does he suggest as an alternative, or is it just 'HOW DO WE KNOW DURRR'.

Science sees stuff and fits theories to it then tries to refine it over time. But of course if we weren't there or can't 100% perfectly explain something it's wrong. Every theory that has ever existed started as some hypothesis that had to be tested over time and refined. If we went by half the logic in this thread we'd never get anywhere.

[Gman721]

I dont need to come up with an explanation of it. That's what I'm saying. It's something that can't be known so these fukking nerd scientists sitting there on TV telling millions of people this bullshiit with so much certainty pisses me off.

big bang THEORY, calm down there. i think id rather have people taking a crack at the unknown instead of sitting around saying oh well its unknown lets not worry about it...

[DCYPL]

If we assume God created life, and point out that our planet's unique ability to support life is also somehow tied to God, and we acknowledge God to be "all powerful" as most Christians do, why then did he randomly decide to create life that was dependant on liquid water (among other things)? Why did he not instead create life capable of living in the vacuum of space? Seems like a reliance on very very rare phenomena in the universe was a strange and limiting decision to make....

Lets assume God is real, created life, created this world to sustain life and the rest of it...and here is you, a creation, living in this world He created as He planned...saying "Ehhh, God dun goofed" :P

I dont know if you posted this as an argument? Just sayin ;P

Maybe look at it this way? We can ignore the argument about where the first atoms came from for now and look at the probablility of what happens next.

If you have heard of the googolplex, you know the number of 0's in the probability that these first atoms found each other in the entirety of the pre-explosion space (let alone springing into being from 'nothingness') A number so long we cannot even write it out, not enough time and space...in the known universe, just to write this number.
You get people like Ruckstar who say things like

No, I say that humans didnt just "show up" at all. Life in the form we understand was able to exist due to the presence of liquid water; liquid water was able to exist due to our proximity to our sun (of the uncountably large number of planets in our galaxy, let alone universe, this favourable proximity was bound to happen somewhere) - no divine intervention required here, just odds. Because this particular planet enjoyed such conditions, we saw life evolve and eventually result in humans and the other specias we see today.

As soon as we find another planet with a similar proximity to its sun, putting it in the band where liquid water is present, we will almost undoubtedly discover life at some point in its evolutionary process - whether incredibly basic or incredibly advanced. Maybe they will have a science called God, and a religion/faith called Evolution, but it wont really matter because it wont change the fact that the presence of life there too was a result of a favourable environment that was basically a mathematical certainty too occur somewhere in the universe. Noone had to put us here to take advantage of the fact that the earth has liquid water, and our presence wasn't a coincidence it was a direct result of this particular environment.

without first acknowledging the utter impossibility of this occuring at all, but it is said/posted with such candor and ignorance as if is all fact. No offense intended

This is just the very first phase...move onto the explosion that was so big it spread matter through the entire post-explosion (known) universe...without totally irradicating lifeforms. The chance of this is vastly small, but dont forget the slightly improbably chance of some infinitely small form of enery (which Einstein said is mass) somehow finding each other and acting upon eachother (word this how you want :P) creating the explosion.

With each step the probability gets smaller, and smaller, and smaller...THEN you get life...from non-life. Chaos from Order..without a shred of evidence.

I cant remember right now, but there is a number in maths/science that once reached, it is considered impossible. The probablity of something is considered impossible when, I think, there are 52 0's after the decimal? I honestly cannot remember, but even so....the number of 0's after the decimal when speaking about our current theory of how everything came to be?

Think about it...

[Andrew99]

"Inflation" is an "explanation" for the result that given the size of the universe and its estimated age, it couldn't have gotten there from a singularity even expanding at the speed of light. So we make up "inflation" to explain faster than light expansion during the first few femtoseconds of the universe. Not that we have any idea how, mind, you, but its just a required result of a phenomenological observation. No one really claims to understand the mechanism. When we talk about these things on TV, the uncertainty we have when discussing amongst ourselves is removed by producers that think the public should believe scientists know everything.

[Masterchieffer]

I dont. But I could find out easily if I wanted to.

Using your microscope?

Yes. It's observable

lol OP getting trolled hard on every page