With the AC around the corner it seems there have been a few comments about some bbers and there conditioning (or lack of!)
This is the same story whenever there are a couple of shows close together. I'll explain.
Some people are suggesting Beyeke didn't come in as sharp, as he may be trying to peak for the AC?
My problem here or rather question is why can bbers like Dorian, Branch, Evan and others be ready literally 2-4 weeks out from a show (or at least be in as good a condition as many pros are in who are winning shows) and maintain that for a few weeks and get it exactly right on the day? And then do other shows (such as grand prixs after the O) and still look amazingly conditioned?
Is it because if you work hard for it, then you get out what you put in... OR is it because they are just gifted in that area?
This brings me to the point of the thread - Are pros like Beyeke lazy? Could they actually come in peeled for a show if they want and then simply show up again in 2 weeks or whenever and do the same again just like we've seen from countless top pros at the O and then again a week later and sometimes another show after that?
Or are they simply just not gifted in this area of prep for shows and they're not physically capable of doing so??
I just get the feeling some pros are goin all out and sacrificing a lot to be in condition and to ensure that they are just right on the day and others are simply dieting down slowly and steadily and hopin to 'peak' just at the time of the show, meaning they're not sacrificing as much and more or less gambling to be just right on the day... And that I feel is where the pros are letting the fans down!
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Thread: Rant time - Lazy pros?
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02-21-2012, 11:44 AM #1
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Rant time - Lazy pros?
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02-21-2012, 11:48 AM #2
Maintaining a bf% necessary for a show like the Olympia for a few weeks is kind of comical. The reason they come in not looking their best is because the salt/carb/water loading and depletion is an art. Also, since they often come in from out of town, the "supps" they have might be different than the ones they used at home. Brb, at 5% for the next two weeks before the show. Doesn't quite work like that...
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02-21-2012, 11:51 AM #3
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02-21-2012, 11:56 AM #4
You'll be surprised that it's not that hard to mantain competition bodyfat once you reach it, specially if you are on top of everything. It's alot better to be ready earlier and from then they can cruise into that conditioning and mantain for some weeks.
It's harder from a psychological standpoint but off course after several weeks your body will start turn on you as well physically.
To asnwer OP, they are just not dieting hard enough (the ones who come in soft), also there's guys who need alot more time to reach the conditioning level of the likes of Branch, Dorian, etc.
Guys like Phil or Branch can be ready in 12 weeks, Dexter even less.
A guy like Beyeke most likely needs 18 or + weeks judging by his conditioning.
Also how lean you start you prep. is a HUGE factor as well.
Most guys just don't diet long enough, some are afraid of losing size and don't diet hard enough.
It's a very fine line and you have to be on top of everything. Heads up to Evan by doing it by himself and be able to get peeled and most importantly full, from a psychological standpoint it's so hard that you don't even begin to realize.
Sometimes you're full and watery, you gonna think you are behind, you cut carbs/cals drastically, increase cardio to stupid amounts, you end up losing muscle, sometimes you're flat as hell, you think you lost muscle when it's likely you didn't, you increase cals and your progress stales!
Sometimes you look sharp as f*ck you think you are ahead, when you maybe not...
A second set of eyes IS A MUST! IMO
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02-21-2012, 11:59 AM #5
Thought provoking thread Wala. IMO Im of the opinion that some pros may well be reluctant to take the 'risk' of coming in ultra conditioned following the spate of kidney issues over the last decade or so-in short, many aren't risking the diuretics that the guys of days past used.
Which then leads into the fact that even without diuretics the top guys should still come in shredded-which makes me think it may well be laziness with a lot of pros. Take Branch-trains all out (ignoring his form for a second) and comes in dry as a biscuit. Which makes me suspect a few guys are lazy and rely too much on their genes.
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02-21-2012, 12:08 PM #6
A lot of pros have this obsession with coming in big and full. They have a target weight in their head, like "i'm gonna be on stage at 250" and **** like that. People like branch, dorian, evan, and anybody else that comes in ****in peeled every time generally don't give a **** what they weigh, as long as they're in shape.
Drugs/Diuretics could be another issue as well.My log brah come at me:
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02-21-2012, 12:15 PM #7
I think a lot of what youre saying is true, but much more relevant to natural athletes than these guys. I think at this point, they're all pretty much the same bodyfat (although I agree Beyeke may have had a bit more than others), and the majority of detail is going to come from dryness and fullness
Ive spoken to TTimmerman about this before, and he seemed to think it was a lot to do with the drug side of things. Remember that a lot of Amateur guys are coming in diced as fuk! There are certain things they are or arent doing that apparently would make a big difference."Dont rush to get grown, drive slow homie"
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02-21-2012, 12:18 PM #8
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02-21-2012, 12:22 PM #9
Well, i know some "enhanced" bodybuilders (competitive) on my gym. One guy tend to get shredded but... has this obsession with losing mass and coming in full so he doesn't cut the test. and HGH like most guys do at 3 weeks out, which makes them retain water, specially the test., i read that the HGH can just be reduced at that stage of the prep.... Always watery on stage.
There's not much to it, they (enhanced) need to cut some stuff weeks out and add some stuff like AI's, orals like Halo, etc. That's what will make you or break you on stage in the "enhanced" side of things. Off course you have to be on a low-enough bodyfat.
But it makes sense that is why Alberto Nunez, Doug Miller, etc get alot more dry on stage than pretty much all the IFBB pro BB'ers, they don't have to mess with stuff that will make them retain water.
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02-21-2012, 12:23 PM #10
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02-21-2012, 12:28 PM #12
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02-21-2012, 12:36 PM #13
pretty much what TTimmerman was saying about the IFBB guys vs the Amateurs
Its a shame really that Beyeke won, because people are starting to favour fullness over condition, and its just a vicious cycle. There will be more and more guys showing up like he did if that kind of condition keeps getting rewarded"Dont rush to get grown, drive slow homie"
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02-21-2012, 12:36 PM #14
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02-21-2012, 12:49 PM #15
Not biased, I agree. Think of the past. Kai, Marius dohne, Craig Richardson I think last year in the ny pro, I know there's so many more that came in awesome I can't think of.
Rhodden, Branch obviously.
Does Jose Raymond have a prep coach? He's always peeeeeeled like branch.
But I agree some guys in the past who have aced their conditioning makes me think...But there's not many that have done that. It seems to me like Dorian and Evan take logical approaches. I don't think there's anything secretive to their diets.Snatch: 122
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02-21-2012, 12:58 PM #16
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02-21-2012, 02:36 PM #17
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02-21-2012, 02:38 PM #18
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02-21-2012, 02:52 PM #19
Beyeke's still prepping for the AC. Evan made the mistake of peaking for the flex last year and then missing his mark at the arnold. I assume Beyeke went into the flex pro knowing he'll place high at the very worst while still being able to peak for the arnold accordingly. No matter what the "supplements" peaking for 2 consequtive shows especcially when they're so close is hard.
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02-21-2012, 02:55 PM #20
I don't think it's fair to Beyeke to say is lazy because he wasn't as dry as he should really should have been. He's still figuring things out and hasn't been competing with that amount of muscle for very long. He's 30 pounds heavier on stage than he was a couple years ago. That's a big difference when manamging water balance.
As far as other pros having it all figured out like Evan and Branch... neither one looked the same in their back-to-back shows last year either. Evan smoothed out for the Arnold and Branch didn't look as good at the British Grand Prix. And Wolf got better at each show last year.
Most of the pros look different from the judging to the finals -- in the same day.
Obviously it isn't that easy to come in dry and full otherwise more of them would be doing it.
And about high carbs... when I was in my teens and early 20s I could get ripped with carbs, high protein and low fats. It doesn't work like that any more for me. The carbs have to be kept really low. I can't say from my own experience if drugs would change that or not.
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02-21-2012, 03:05 PM #21
Yes, it's his approach to the drugs in those last weeks.
For natties you wont need as much protein and as long as you are in a caloric deficit, you'll benefict from high carbs, plus it's good to stay with the cardio low as much as possible, so in a sense yes, his nutritional approach does work for natties as well.
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02-21-2012, 03:36 PM #22
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