Branch Warren training back 18 days out

[HollywoodJohn]

i don't like you, you are a ******* branch is a walking pharmacy so why the fuk would he listen to lyle mcdonald lol, you say the dumbest **** i've ever seen now get off the forum asbrus talks more sense than you.

Ignorance is bliss...

[artDDP]

Dorian Yates mentioned that he tried to talk Branch into changing his training abit, specifically more so Back training. He said Branch wasn't interested. This was in that video when Branch trained with Dorian in the dungeon.
Branch is mostly a ego-lifter, i'm whilling to bet he's stubborn as sh*t about his principles, he always trained that way and he'll continue, regardless of how much more tears in his body he produces.
If he wasn't whilling to hear Dorian, he won't listen to anybody at this point but yes, i'm pretty sure he could make alot more improvements to his back with some tweaks here and there.

I don't need to defend my stance, one with a brain just needs to watch his deadlifts...

If I had yet to win a Mr. Olympia and a six-time Mr. Olympia offered me advice on how to improve a weak point I'd take it.

[HollywoodJohn]

If I had yet to win a Mr. Olympia and a six-time Mr. Olympia offered me advice on how to improve a weak point I'd take it.

There simply is no argument in the topic of form. You either have good form or bad form but to all that ignorantly disagree based on how big Branch is, he can keep doing what he is doing while others will perfect upon this:






and even this:



Then you have:

[FAN0FdaSport]

There simply is no argument in the topic of form. You either have good form or bad form but to all that ignorantly disagree based on how big Branch is, he can keep doing what he is doing while others will perfect upon this:

Or maybe Branch doesn't have the genetics to look that good in the first place...

Lots and lots of pros can train with perfect form and wont come close to looking like those guys actually...

[tryin2gethuge10]

Come on dude, I hate when people do that. You find the best pictures possible of everyone else you just posted, then you find the worst photo you can of Branch to try and prove your point. And seriously Branch just doesn't have the genetics for a GREAT back like the others you posted. Maybe Wolf should start hitting calfs like Branch because Branch has better calves? Maybe Phil should start hitting chest like Branch because Branch has a better chest. Maybe Dexter should start hitting legs like Branch does because Branch has better legs. Get the point?

[DavisForman]

Ignorance is bliss...

Btw man, who is Lyle McDonald? Excuse my ignorance.

[HollywoodJohn]

Btw man, who is Lyle McDonald? Excuse my ignorance.

Considered the best guy when it comes to human physiology, Kinesthetics and everything exercise related. He actually speciallizes alot of his research around Bodybuilding, he backs everything up with scientific evidence. He's also a nutritionist, has several books on exercise, dieting, fat loss, etc.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/

His articles on his site and forums pretty much cover everything.

@Trying2gethuge, that was the first pic that showed on google when i typed: "Branch Warren back" and the ones you posted are not that much better either.

My argument still stands, all i've said from the get go is that he has terrible form but the usual close-minded blowed the argument out of proportion.
There's also the fact that the way he trains is not optimal, which is a fact as well.

I cannot be sure that his back would be better using perfect form but the chances are that it would... The guys saying otherwise also cannot say that his back would be worse using perfect form and thus that he must be using the right form.

So in the end, the argument is mute because he ain't changing his training anytime soon i'm whilling to bet.

[Anthony.b]

Btw man, who is Lyle McDonald? Excuse my ignorance.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/

[big78]

When I watch Branch train.. he has hate and anger in his eyes... he gets so psyched up mentally I don't think he could even do slow controlled movements if he wanted to.

Than you watch other Pro's train and I'm not saying they train harder or less but they are focused on muscle contractions and proper form..

Everybody has their own style.

We would all love to look like any of these guys!

[Gorky88]

What a dumb statement! That's not ignorant, that's just dumb!

Knowledge is not co-related to how you look or how big you are... That's such a meat-head line of thought, no wonder bodybuilders are labeled walking retards.

Plus, i highly doubt 99.9% of the population wants to be a pro or trains to be one... Once again, retarded thinking.

Lyle McDonald is the most knowledgeable person in the world when it comes to human performance physiology, anatomy, biochemistry, biomechanics, all the exercise related to bodybuilding/fitness, etc. You name it! Guess what, he doesn't even look like he lifts.
Some people just don't wanna be walking pharmacies.

Alan Aragon, arguably the best nutritionist in the world, knows more about nutrition and dieting than any IFBB dietist/guru, backs everything up with scientific research, yet he just looks like a regular guy.

Some of you guys are so dumb, it's just incredible.

True, true

@tryin2gethuge, hollywood john is actually a Branch fan and always stands by Branch's placings. This coming from him I dont think that he is biased at all.

[xAK]

love the intensity that branch brings..that song that came on at 13:20 in the video was priceless..couldnt stop lol'ing

[PaLftr]

Single most hardcore, awesome training footage I've ever seen. And I hate Branch's physique. But he looks awesome in a beater.

[tarrask]

Come on dude, I hate when people do that. You find the best pictures possible of everyone else you just posted, then you find the worst photo you can of Branch to try and prove your point. And seriously Branch just doesn't have the genetics for a GREAT back like the others you posted. Maybe Wolf should start hitting calfs like Branch because Branch has better calves? Maybe Phil should start hitting chest like Branch because Branch has a better chest. Maybe Dexter should start hitting legs like Branch does because Branch has better legs. Get the point?

Couldn't agree more.

[justinnnnn]

Lat pull downs? I like Branch but dam...


It looks more like hes training his erector spinae.

[flangmasterj]

I reckon we'll see one of the most conditioned Branch's yet but one of the most asymmetrical.

[zmcdole]

I reckon we'll see one of the most conditioned Branch's yet but one of the most asymmetrical.

He'll be ripped, but I don't think it will be pretty.

[flangmasterj]

He'll be ripped, but I don't think it will be pretty.

He'll be ripped in more ways than one.

[Groggery]

I really don't see the correlation between how much a guy sweats and how much work is actually being done. This coming from having experienced boxing circuit training and weightlifting.

[Emmortal]

The single worst back work out video I've ever seen.

[featureless]

Imo, the optimal way to do an exercise is to do it in the way that best isloates and targets the muscle group being trained.

Generally, this is achieved through what is called "form." However, strict form alone will not always suffice (unless your name is Phil Heath - no way in hell does he train as intensley as others but he doesn't need to, he does what is required with the genetics he is blessed with). Lifting very heavy is also very effective in isolating and targeting a muscle. for example, if you were to lift a lighter weight very strictly this may not be as optimal as lifting a very heavy weight with looser form.

A bodybuilder has to find the equilibrium between the two. This equilibrium will be different in each individual. It always makes me laugh when I hear someone say, "this is the correct form for doing an exercise and will yield the most optimal results." Straight away, i know that this person is a newbie with very limited training knowledge.

I guarantee when branch is doing each exercise he is isolating and targeting each muscle group beyond a level anyone on this forum has ever achieved. Is his style "optimum?' Who knows, but one thing's for certain, none of you know and there is no scientific study to prove otherwise.

And to those who think his style is guaranteed to result in injury. It is quite amazing what the human body is capable, if the the individual has a very robuste physique to begin with, but more so, when an exercise is performed in the correct plane of motion for that particular individual (the correct plane of motion is very much dependent on the individual's body lever lengths etc). When you get the correct plane of motion going (the sweet spot) you can get away with alot of bouncing and throwing, provided the motion remains in the correct plane.

For someone not blessed with the very best of genetics, there comes a time when some heavy weight needs to be moved around. I say good luck doing that, whilst maintaining prefect text book form. Seriously, these perfect form critics, need to stop reading so many articles and do some time in the gym and you will soon learn that the term "perfect form" (that which is optimal) is not necessarily "text book form."

[Groggery]

I fail to see how Branch is the only one considered to be training "intensely". Ignore Khan, ignore Lesukov, Kai etc. As long as you "look" like you're doing something apparently you are. While you tried to come off as an observer with an objective opinion, you fell flat on your face.

The human body is not that robust and he's walking evidence. You basically said none of us have ever trained so intensely because we haven't used his numbers...a crock of ****. Joint mobility aside humans are almost identical when it comes to what will harm you and what won't. Guys like purdey(who are basically just saying things to spite others) might assume he's doing his job correctly and imitate.

We don't need more injured mofos putting sensible people off weightlifting because all they see is these guys routinely getting injured. If you want scientific proof, look at the biomechanics. You don't swing like a monkey and get away with it forever.

Form is not like ice-cream. You can't have one guy front raising something up to the sky, claiming that's just his "form". That's called training like an idiot. And it should be scolded imo.

[GBLynden]

What is optimal for one is not for another. He has one of the thickest backs in the sport. Any short fallings is gentetic, not due to using incorrect form imo.

Wrong, he used to have much better flow earlier in his career. He went full on meathead and ruined that with his training style.

[featureless]

I fail to see how Branch is the only one considered to be training "intensely". Ignore Khan, ignore Lesukov, Kai etc. As long as you "look" like you're doing something apparently you are. While you tried to come off as an observer with an objective opinion, you fell flat on your face.

The human body is not that robust and he's walking evidence. You basically said none of us have ever trained so intensely because we haven't used his numbers...a crock of ****. Joint mobility aside humans are almost identical when it comes to what will harm you and what won't. Guys like purdey(who are basically just saying things to spite others) might assume he's doing his job correctly and imitate.

We don't need more injured mofos putting sensible people off weightlifting because all they see is these guys routinely getting injured. If you want scientific proof, look at the biomechanics. You don't swing like a monkey and get away with it forever.

Form is not like ice-cream. You can't have one guy front raising something up to the sky, claiming that's just his "form". That's called training like an idiot. And it should be scolded imo.

I never said that branch is the only one training intensly. use your brain and read what i wrote carefully.

Also, my point about robuste was merely to state that some people are more robuste than others in certain joints. I never implied that there is a limit to how roboste it is. just that you would be surprised what the body will sustain and get by on, particualrly when performing a movement in the appropriate range of motion.

the rest of what you wrote aint worth replying to coz it proves that you are an inexperienced lifter and probably have the brain size of a pea.

[featureless]

Wrong, he used to have much better flow earlier in his career. He went full on meathead and ruined that with his training style.

I saw branch compete in 2006. he was finishing behind guys like lee priest, ronny rockel, etc. he now beats them. he beats them because he made the decision that his flow back then, alone, was not good enough to beat them. he made the decision to put on more size and bingo, he is now beating these guys and nearly everyone else on the planet.

unfotunately, the end result of him carrying the extra mass is that he now looks less aesthetic. However, this has nothing to do with his training methods not being optimalt for making gains - more so because his genetic structure cannot support the extra mass and still remain as aesthetic.

So you are wrong buddy!

[wilk.daniel]

that was a great bicep workout

[Groggery]

(unless your name is Phil Heath - no way in hell does he train as intensley as others but he doesn't need to, he does what is required with the genetics he is blessed with)

And i'm the pea-brain?

Did you just imply that he looks worse because of more mass? AND NOT THE INJURIES?

[featureless]

And i'm the pea-brain?

Did you just imply that he looks worse because of more mass? AND NOT THE INJURIES?

Not sure what you are getting at here. I am guessing that you want me to explain the part of my post that you quoted. What i was saying is that imo Phil does not train as intensly as others. He does not need to due to superior genetics. thats not to say that he does not train hard, just not as hard as other, eg branch, kai etc.

[the-craig]

love the intensity that branch brings.

That's what I love about Branch, you know he isn't going to give up on a set when he can get more reps, I just think he needs to go about it in a more controlled manner.

Edit: Like Zack Khan, always trains hard and heavy but controlled.

[featureless]

and yes, i believe it is tha extra mass more so than injuries that hurt branch's flow. he is probably the thickest bodybuilder on the planet.

[Groggery]

Not sure what you are getting at here. I am guessing that you want me to explain the part of my post that you quoted. What i was saying is that imo Phil does not train as intensly as others. He does not need to due to superior genetics. thats not to say that he does not train hard, just not as hard as other, eg branch, kai etc.

You don't get to be second at the O without great genetics. You sound like one of those guys that discredit them because they use gear.

Oh but it's the gear doing all the work, it's his genetics too. Branch had all the goods in his bag and ended up a mangled bag of parts because of exactly the thing we're criticizing at the moment.