What is with the judging inconsistencies?

[DavisForman]

Before I even make my point, I should say first that I had it pretty close between Lionel, Fouad and Ben. I thought it was pretty much apples and oranges for all 3. So I didn't have a problem with how they placed looking at this show on it's own. But comparing these placings to placings of shows last year, I don't understand where the judges are coming up with these results.

Do any of you remember last year's Europa Battle of Champions? The top three were Troy Alves, Marc Lavoie, and Ben White. They also happened to be the most in-shape guys at the show. The judges seemed to be favoring condition, to the point that they practically ignored all the other factors. Guys like Will Harris and Toney Freeman, who were not quite as hard but significantly bigger and more proportioned, were shafted big time.

And then at the Flex, it's like they did a full 180. The guys in the best condition, Fouad and Eduardo, are placed behind bigger, softer, and more disproportionate competitors.

Again, not complaining about the results of this show, I'm just wondering how they can justify these placings when they have made such radically different decisions in the past. It's like they love red today, but will love blue tomorrow. I'm not seeing any consistency in the judging.

[featureless]

I have no idea what they are thinking. Too me Beyeke looked to smooth to beat out fouad but i guess that is just my opinion

[balls2wall]

Different judges perhaps? Also beyeke was only soft from the back, from the front he looked pretty diced.

[Rsardinia]

Different judges perhaps? Also beyeke was only soft from the back, from the front he looked pretty diced.

Agreed. From the front he's dope.







He could definitely be drier all around but maybe he will pull a Wolf from 2011 and come in much better at the Arnold. Beyeke with another 3-4lbs dropped will be sick.

[realistromeo]

Beyeke looked smaller but he looked streamlined round decent condition, good lines,shape. (injured left lat much?)
Fouad on the other hand WAS in condition, but i dont like his shape (arms) and his abdominals looked washed, his physique looks flat compared to the rest.
Paulksi looked great aside from his weak front double.
Rhoden could have taken this is if he was sharper.

hard one to judge, i have no problems with this.

[featureless]

Beyeke looked smaller but he looked streamlined round decent condition, good lines,shape. (injured left lat much?)
Fouad on the other hand WAS in condition, but i dont like his shape (arms) and his abdominals looked washed, his physique looks flat compared to the rest.
Paulksi looked great aside from his weak front double.
Rhoden could have taken this is if he was sharper.

hard one to judge, i have no problems with this.

Yeah, you're right. very difficult one to judge.

[FAN0FdaSport]

Lionel's lower body from behind is soft, bad hammy separation, and Wolf calfs.

He lost the toronto show to a guy who dieted but by some miracle beat thiis lineup...

[flangmasterj]

It was really a mixed bag.

Beyeke had everything bar the conditioning.

Pakulski was huge and shredded but FDB and RDB were quite weak.

Fouad was flat and didn't have the 'WOW' factor Ben and Lionel had.

Rhoden was probably the most complete factoring in conditioning as well. He should feel a little hard done by.

Now Eduardo could make a strong case. He was ripped to diddles. His lower body is slightly overshadowed by his upper but he should not have been placed fifth.

[featureless]

It was really a mixed bag.

Beyeke had everything bar the conditioning.

Pakulski was huge and shredded but FDB and RDB were quite weak.

Fouad was flat and didn't have the 'WOW' factor Ben and Lionel had.

Rhoden was probably the most complete factoring in conditioning as well. He should feel a little hard done by.

Now Eduardo could make a strong case. He was ripped to diddles. His lower body is slightly overshadowed by his upper but he should not have been placed fifth.

i agree with most of what you said. Not sure who should have won lol.

Not a fan of pakulski - too many standout bodyparts hurt his flow but he seemed to be in the best shape.

I have gone from being a beyeke fan to not (not sure what it is - just seems to narrow all round or something. needs more sweep in his back and wider shoulders I think. and seems to lack depth in his lower half from the back).

I like Fouad's look best overall but he definately did not have the WOW factor. He is not that sort of bodybuilder but I cant deny that he has had some WOW factor in the past.

Correa's conditioning was increadible but I can see how he falls behind the other guys. doesnt have the same thickness.

[jiveinhere]

It was really a mixed bag.

Beyeke had everything bar the conditioning.

Pakulski was huge and shredded but FDB and RDB were quite weak.

Fouad was flat and didn't have the 'WOW' factor Ben and Lionel had.

Rhoden was probably the most complete factoring in conditioning as well. He should feel a little hard done by.

Now Eduardo could make a strong case. He was ripped to diddles. His lower body is slightly overshadowed by his upper but he should not have been placed fifth.

great post

[Gorky88]

It was really a mixed bag.

Beyeke had everything bar the conditioning.

Pakulski was huge and shredded but FDB and RDB were quite weak.

Fouad was flat and didn't have the 'WOW' factor Ben and Lionel had.

Rhoden was probably the most complete factoring in conditioning as well. He should feel a little hard done by.

Now Eduardo could make a strong case. He was ripped to diddles. His lower body is slightly overshadowed by his upper but he should not have been placed fifth.

I agree but I want to add one thing both Correa and Fouad had conditioning over other. I had Fouad 1 and Correa 2 nd

[ROMMYromboid]

Before I even make my point, I should say first that I had it pretty close between Lionel, Fouad and Ben. I thought it was pretty much apples and oranges for all 3. So I didn't have a problem with how they placed looking at this show on it's own. But comparing these placings to placings of shows last year, I don't understand where the judges are coming up with these results.

Do any of you remember last year's Europa Battle of Champions? The top three were Troy Alves, Marc Lavoie, and Ben White. They also happened to be the most in-shape guys at the show. The judges seemed to be favoring condition, to the point that they practically ignored all the other factors. Guys like Will Harris and Toney Freeman, who were not quite as hard but significantly bigger and more proportioned, were shafted big time.

And then at the Flex, it's like they did a full 180. The guys in the best condition, Fouad and Eduardo, are placed behind bigger, softer, and more disproportionate competitors.

Again, not complaining about the results of this show, I'm just wondering how they can justify these placings when they have made such radically different decisions in the past. It's like they love red today, but will love blue tomorrow. I'm not seeing any consistency in the judging.

Agree with all you said, IMO there is only one logical answer ------> Politics.

[boyoboyo]

Before I even make my point, I should say first that I had it pretty close between Lionel, Fouad and Ben. I thought it was pretty much apples and oranges for all 3. So I didn't have a problem with how they placed looking at this show on it's own. But comparing these placings to placings of shows last year, I don't understand where the judges are coming up with these results.

Do any of you remember last year's Europa Battle of Champions? The top three were Troy Alves, Marc Lavoie, and Ben White. They also happened to be the most in-shape guys at the show. The judges seemed to be favoring condition, to the point that they practically ignored all the other factors. Guys like Will Harris and Toney Freeman, who were not quite as hard but significantly bigger and more proportioned, were shafted big time.

And then at the Flex, it's like they did a full 180. The guys in the best condition, Fouad and Eduardo, are placed behind bigger, softer, and more disproportionate competitors.

Again, not complaining about the results of this show, I'm just wondering how they can justify these placings when they have made such radically different decisions in the past. It's like they love red today, but will love blue tomorrow. I'm not seeing any consistency in the judging.

Id hardly say fouad has better proportions than bekele....

[featureless]

Id hardly say fouad has better proportions than bekele....

I would...

[boyoboyo]

I would...

how'd you figure that one out? He has poor arms, poor calves and his chest has a wierd shape, his delts, quads and back are no more than average either.

[weltweitefurcht]

Before I even make my point, I should say first that I had it pretty close between Lionel, Fouad and Ben. I thought it was pretty much apples and oranges for all 3. So I didn't have a problem with how they placed looking at this show on it's own. But comparing these placings to placings of shows last year, I don't understand where the judges are coming up with these results.

Do any of you remember last year's Europa Battle of Champions? The top three were Troy Alves, Marc Lavoie, and Ben White. They also happened to be the most in-shape guys at the show. The judges seemed to be favoring condition, to the point that they practically ignored all the other factors. Guys like Will Harris and Toney Freeman, who were not quite as hard but significantly bigger and more proportioned, were shafted big time.

And then at the Flex, it's like they did a full 180. The guys in the best condition, Fouad and Eduardo, are placed behind bigger, softer, and more disproportionate competitors.

Again, not complaining about the results of this show, I'm just wondering how they can justify these placings when they have made such radically different decisions in the past. It's like they love red today, but will love blue tomorrow. I'm not seeing any consistency in the judging.

I feel that judging in the IFBB will never be uniform. Who here can say they have been consistent.

Maybe if they actually have the judges in the limelight, they'll have more heat on them to decide things properly.

If I asked you guys who the judges were for each show we had last year, would any of you be able to list all of them? (I certainly can't.)

[wala]

If I asked you guys who the judges were for each show we had last year, would any of you be able to list all of them? (I certainly can't.)

Easy!

Jim Rockell
Mike Catz
Boyer Coe
Erm...

Ok, no