The SCIENCE behind why bench press is BETTER than Flys?

[Francis333]

Can anyone explain WHY the flat barbell bench press is a "better" exercise than DB/Machine flys? Using a scientific approach please.

[S13HATCHY]

es good.

[PaynESTER]

wouldnt say it is better..

but you can simply use more weight on bench press..

use both exercises and be done with it.

simply put if you are using db flyes because they are easier than benchpress.

step your game up

[thicksolidtight]

It's not better. Progressive overload + calorie surplus = mass. It's recommended often because it is a more compound movement than a fly is.

[Francis333]

wouldnt say it is better..

but you can simply use more weight on bench press..

use both exercises and be done with it.

simply put if you are using db flyes because they are easier than benchpress.

step your game up

so leg press is better than squats?

[thicksolidtight]

so leg press is better than squats?

You don't actually use more weight on a leg press, the machine is on a sled which changes the mechanics.

[PaynESTER]

so leg press is better than squats?

if you wanna get cocky...plenty of people use leg press over squats and have big legs..


dorian yates used smith machine squats

kevin levrone used leg press.

flex wheeler used 1 leg - leg press.

it all comes down to what you feel works your body the most.

one person might say - hey man doing dumbbell shoulder press makes your shoulders grow more then behind the neck barbell press.

[Francis333]

wouldnt say it is better..

but you can simply use more weight on bench press..

use both exercises and be done with it.

simply put if you are using db flyes because they are easier than benchpress.

step your game up

I do no do DB flyes at all. I bench.

[Francis333]

You don't actually use more weight on a leg press, the machine is on a sled which changes the mechanics.

So if I squat 1 plate vs leg press 6 I am not using more weight on a leg press?

[Impurityz]

wouldnt say it is better..

but you can simply use more weight on bench press..

use both exercises and be done with it.

simply put if you are using db flyes because they are easier than benchpress.

step your game up

you can put more weight on the db fly machine.

I max it out at 310lbs... wish we could get atleast 400lb... 310 is way to little.

[aec32094]

So if I squat 1 plate vs leg press 6 I am not using more weight on a leg press?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclined_plane

[Francis333]

Perhaps I should have rephrased the question.

Why do more people bench press vs Fly? Why do more recommend benching vs flying? Ex. bench is part of the big three, Rippetoe has it in his famous program SS. Why are flyes not in SS?

Scientifically WHY are compound exercises (bench) better than iso(flyes)?

[Francis333]

you can put more weight on the db fly machine.

I max it out at 310lbs... wish we could get atleast 400lb... 310 is way to little.

I can fly about 270 and bench 155 :/ How can you bench more?

[PaynESTER]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+are+compoun...n+isolation%3F

[PaynESTER]

I can fly about 270 and bench 155 :/ How can you bench more?

thats a machine.

you can barely db fly 30 lbs i bet you

[ImEvan]

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Techincally they are both different, so neither are better than the other.

Bench is a compound movement - Pectorals, Triceps and Anterior Deltoids.

Flyes, on the other hand, are isolating the Chest.

The reason why some people might prefer doing bench over flyes, is because of the fact you can do bench in a variety of ways, e.g. incline, flat, decline, smith's etc.

[Francis333]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclined_plane

Oh ok so the mechanics of the exercise itself lend an advantage and make up for the weight being lifted. BUT that still doesnt answer the question because then wouldnt that just make the weight about equal to a squat thus making the "weight lifted" approximately the same? So why are squats "better" according to most?

[Francis333]

thats a machine.

you can barely db fly 30 lbs i bet you

Alright Ill try right now. 30lb in each hand?

[Newmanzz]

if you wanna get cocky...plenty of people use leg press over squats and have big legs..


dorian yates used smith machine squats

kevin levrone used leg press.

flex wheeler used 1 leg - leg press.

it all comes down to what you feel works your body the most.

one person might say - hey man doing dumbbell shoulder press makes your shoulders grow more then behind the neck barbell press.

That still doesn't change the fact that squats are way better, what did Ronnie Coleman use to get his killer legs? Squat heavy ass weights.

Don't be an idiot stating things that aren't true, Kevin Levrone used and still uses squats. The reason Yates and Wheeler didn't use squats was due to injuries acquired from them, so if they could have, the would have, as for the flyes vs bench, you use more weight on the bench, more muscle involvement, IMO flyes are for ***gots trying to get a chest pump, secondary exercise at best.

[PaynESTER]

That still doesn't change the fact that squats are way better, what did Ronnie Coleman use to get his killer legs? Squat heavy ass weights.

Don't be an idiot stating things that aren't true, Kevin Levrone used and still uses squats. The reason Yates and Wheeler didn't use squats was due to injuries acquired from them, so if they could have, the would have, as for the flyes vs bench, you use more weight on the bench, more muscle involvement, IMO flyes are for ***gots trying to get a chest pump, secondary exercise at best.

okay squats are superior for legs, you named one person.




wheels without free squats

and dorian preferred smith machine squats > regular squats.

[racketteer]

Perhaps I should have rephrased the question.

Why do more people bench press vs Fly? Why do more recommend benching vs flying? Ex. bench is part of the big three, Rippetoe has it in his famous program SS. Why are flyes not in SS?

Scientifically WHY are compound exercises (bench) better than iso(flyes)?

because flyes wreak havoc on many peoples shoulders. I wouldn't say bench press is better for mass at all.

[ImEvan]

So why are squats "better" according to most?

Squats are better because they have been proven to also work your whole body, not just your legs.

Also squats release testosterone into the bloodstream and therefore that is advantageous.

[PaynESTER]

Squats are better because they have been proven to also work your whole body, not just your legs.

Also squats release testosterone into the bloodstream and therefore that is advantageous.

the amount of test released..is not enough to make a significant difference.

[ImEvan]

the amount of test released..is not enough to make a significant difference.

Still better than nothing..

[SienZ]

Techincally they are both different, so neither are better than the other.

Bench is a compound movement - Pectorals, Triceps and Anterior Deltoids.

Flyes, on the other hand, are isolating the Chest.

The reason why some people might prefer doing bench over flyes, is because of the fact you can do bench in a variety of ways, e.g. incline, flat, decline, smith's etc.

GL On isolating the chest....

The reason is that when you use more weight, you stimulate more hypertrophy. Plain simple.

Flyes is an okay finisher though.

[Jericoe]

thats a machine.

you can barely db fly 30 lbs i bet you

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[NP603]

I can fly about 270 and bench 155 :/ How can you bench more?

cause someone obv changed the numbers on your fly machine i strongly DOUBT you fly 270. Cybex fly machines dont even go that high and thats what most gyms have.

[thicksolidtight]

Are you really asking why a compound, where you work multiple muscles, is superior to an isolation, where you work one muscle. Isolations have their place, but come on. Is $5 better than $1?

[Newmanzz]

okay squats are superior for legs, you named one person.




wheels without free squats

and dorian preferred smith machine squats > regular squats.

I just named the greatest, its not a coincidence everyone does the squats, to put it this way, you can get great legs with leg presses and smith machines, but your legs will never be at what they could potentially be. Its kind of ridiculous to bring up two of the best genetically gifted bodybuilders of all time. For the average Joe a free weight squat is always better, machines are more likely to cause injuries due to restricted movement. The fact that you would actually argue against the squat is just beyond stupid.

[thicksolidtight]

I just named the greatest, its not a coincidence everyone does the squats, to put it this way, you can get great legs with leg presses and smith machines, but your legs will never be at what they could potentially be. Its kind of ridiculous to bring up two of the best genetically gifted bodybuilders of all time. For the average Joe a free weight squat is always better, machines are more likely to cause injuries due to restricted movement. The fact that you would actually argue against the squat is just beyond stupid.

Kinda digging yourself a hole here. Squats are great. You don't NEED to do them though. Body adapts to stressors, and there are a lot of ways to create stressors.