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    Originally Posted by BabyOilBrah View Post
    intredasting, have you messed with grip width? that could change wrist angle.
    I've tried mostly close grip (inside the rings) Wide grip feels even harder. The most I've even tried with bb rows has been 185lbs and the reps were so cheaty and swingy that I just said F it.

    I definitely have some grip quirks, I didn't do BB bench either because the grip felt so much more natural on DB. It wasn't until the DBs got way to heavy to get into place I decided to switch to BB.
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    Lower Light

    1) Front Squats
    barx8
    95lbsx5
    135lbsx5
    165lbsx5
    165lbsx5
    165lbs5
    165lbsx5
    165lbsx5
    205lbsx1 (lulz I should not have done this one)

    2) DB RDL
    40lbsx8
    50lbsx8
    60lbsx8
    70lbsx5
    80lbsx5

    3) Seated Calves
    225lbsx12
    225lbsx6 (cramp)
    225lbsx8
    225lbx7

    4) Birdg Dogs
    3 sets of 30 seconds

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    Good light leg day. I had trouble holding the bar in place today for some reason, maybe a fatigued upper back from the previous upper day.

    I also really stretched and worked the mobility in my ankles. I got the idea when doing a body weight squat and noticed my feet were not in line with knees. It seemed to help today.

    Also decided to throw in some Db RDLs to keep the balance between quads and hamstrings. They felt great!! I'm a bit nervous of this exercise because it injured me in the past, however I was doing retard high reps (15-20). I'm also sticking my booty out more and I plan on wearing a belt next time to make sure I don't mess anything up!
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    Strong volume on those fronts even if they were lighter
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    Looks like a really good leg session to me ---- getting lots of CNS training in there to keep form and balance with your leg work. The fronts and DB RDLs are great complementary exercises and I love the bird-dogs for working on that core stability through the hips and spine
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    Originally Posted by Woody-5 View Post
    Strong volume on those fronts even if they were lighter
    Thanks bro! I'm feeling good with them so far. Still trying to figure out the ideal light weight
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    Originally Posted by fittofattofit View Post
    Looks like a really good leg session to me ---- getting lots of CNS training in there to keep form and balance with your leg work. The fronts and DB RDLs are great complementary exercises and I love the bird-dogs for working on that core stability through the hips and spine
    Thanks Andrew! I added the RDL after you suggestions. They felt really good my hamstrings are already cramping.

    I just hope my lower back can handle it, or maybe I'm just being too risk averse with my lower back
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    Originally Posted by nads786 View Post
    I just hope my lower back can handle it, or maybe I'm just being too risk averse with my lower back
    No more fear avoidance man. You have been training what you need to for stability and its time to ask your low back to do work. F that belt too. You got a belt. Its called your transversus abdominus. Nice lift on the 205. 2 plates coming soon.
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    Originally Posted by -calvus- View Post
    No more fear avoidance man. You have been training what you need to for stability and its time to ask your low back to do work. F that belt too. You got a belt. Its called your transversus abdominus. Nice lift on the 205. 2 plates coming soon.

    I feel ya, I don't even have a herniated disc ( that I know of) and I'm acting like I do. I"ll give it a shot belt less.
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    -Lower Heavy:

    1)Heavy front squats
    2) Hip Thrusts
    3) DB RDL
    4) Bird Dogs
    5)Calves

    -Lower Light
    1) Light Front Squats
    2) Hypers (bw)
    3) Single Leg Hip thrusts
    4) Bird Dogs
    5)Calves


    This will help manage my lower back work and really create some light vs heavy workouts. T-bar rows sometimes leave my back a bit sore so doing the heavy leg work a couple days prior to heavy back work makes sense.

    Also thinking about using 25lbs instead of 45lbs for T-bar row to get some better contractions.
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    [b] Upper (Heavy push light pull)

    1) BB Flat Bench
    barx12
    95lbsx8
    135lbsx8
    185lbsx4
    205lbsx5
    225lbsx4
    185lbsx9
    185lbsx4

    2) One Arm DB Rows

    50lbsx5
    60lbsx5
    80lbsx5
    100lbsx5

    3) T-Bar Rows (25lbs)
    50lbsx12
    100lbsx12
    100lbsx12
    100lbsx5

    4) Arm Super Set
    Cable Curls SS w/ Cable Pressdowns
    30lbsx8 50lbsx8
    40lbsx8 57lbsx8
    40lbsx8 57lbsx8
    40lbsx8 57x8


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    A lot of comments today.

    -BB Flat bench felt pretty solid, wish I got more than 225 but I think after my deload/vacation I will start with 225 and work my way up reps were great still need to keep workking my arch and make sure I don't lose upper back tightness

    -BB Incline bench
    wasn't able to get to this because of the insaneness of my gym nothing was available, international chest day today so ya...

    -DB Rows
    Today was suppose to be light pull but since I won't be working out for a week I decided to go full retard. I did these without a staggered stance, very hard to do. It didn't feel right or easy to clear the dbs. *I prefer the staggered stance but the twist on my lower back is something to note, is this exercise worth the twisting?

    -T-bar rows with the 25lbs
    ROM felt great, but I twisted my knee on the descent on one of the sets ugh! My knee just caved in, it doesn't feel that bad right now hopefully its nothing serious. I wanted to front squats tomorrow but it may be wise to not do them. Safe to say ill stick to the 45s next time.

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    Originally Posted by BabyOilBrah View Post
    I like it nadeem.
    ^^^^ Agree. I like the mix of front leg/back leg/lower back/core

    Originally Posted by nads786 View Post
    [b] Upper (Heavy push light pull)

    1) BB Flat Bench
    barx12
    95lbsx8
    135lbsx8
    185lbsx4
    205lbsx5
    225lbsx4
    185lbsx9
    185lbsx4

    2) One Arm DB Rows

    50lbsx5
    60lbsx5
    80lbsx5
    100lbsx5

    3) T-Bar Rows (25lbs)
    50lbsx12
    100lbsx12
    100lbsx12
    100lbsx5

    4) Arm Super Set
    Cable Curls SS w/ Cable Pressdowns
    30lbsx8 50lbsx8
    40lbsx8 57lbsx8
    40lbsx8 57lbsx8
    40lbsx8 57x8


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    A lot of comments today.

    -BB Flat bench felt pretty solid, wish I got more than 225 but I think after my deload/vacation I will start with 225 and work my way up reps were great still need to keep workking my arch and make sure I don't lose upper back tightness

    -BB Incline bench
    wasn't able to get to this because of the insaneness of my gym nothing was available, international chest day today so ya...

    -DB Rows
    Today was suppose to be light pull but since I won't be working out for a week I decided to go full retard. I did these without a staggered stance, very hard to do. It didn't feel right or easy to clear the dbs. *I prefer the staggered stance but the twist on my lower back is something to note, is this exercise worth the twisting?

    -T-bar rows with the 25lbs
    ROM felt great, but I twisted my knee on the descent on one of the sets ugh! My knee just caved in, it doesn't feel that bad right now hopefully its nothing serious. I wanted to front squats tomorrow but it may be wise to not do them. Safe to say ill stick to the 45s next time.

    I will now be off for the next week most likely (Wed to Wed)
    Strong volume and weights on the flat BB bench Nadeem! I'd expect you to be able to add reps and weights pretty easily there
    Your DB rows are strong, but I know what you're saying about twisting your lower back. You could try these: sort of a single armed pendlay with no twist on the lower back

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    Holy F that's a great idea Andrew! I was basically doing those expect with my hand on the other side of the barbell. This idea may be better. After my break I may start rotating my rows a bit. T-bars are a great exercise but I want to keep my lower back fresh as possible for legs.

    I went back to look at my notes on db row this is what I found:

    06-24-2012, 05:11 PM

    -DB rows felt very easy, even the 110lbs which I have never done before felt pretty good. The Tripod method of standing is much better than putting a knee on the bench. The only question about this exercise is when the weight gets heavy the twisting on the body and how it will effect my lower back. No straps but plenty of chalk on my hands and the dumbbell


    So based on June's details it seems like I'm again being overly cautious of my lower back and there wasn't any twisting using the conventional form (staggered stance one arm on bench). FYI this is why I love journaling anyone who is lurking this thread this is key info no way a person could remember these kind of details.

    FYI here is the method I tried yesterday (also no belt) it was really hard to clear the 100s unless your torso is more vertical. I get that this person wants to eliminate twisting but for me it just didn't feel right. Staggered feels the best to me.

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    Originally Posted by BabyOilBrah View Post
    These look awesome!
    x2 they may be better than db rows, just gotta see if you can keep adding weight to it or not. Andrew does he have a journal here?

    Man I won't be lifting for 9 days (Tuesday to Wed) and I already am going thru withdrawls. Someone do this exercise and see if its legit or not.
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    Originally Posted by nads786 View Post
    x2 they may be better than db rows, just gotta see if you can keep adding weight to it or not. Andrew does he have a journal here?

    Man I won't be lifting for 9 days (Tuesday to Wed) and I already am going thru withdrawls. Someone do this exercise and see if its legit or not.
    I might today instead of pendlay rows.
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    Originally Posted by BabyOilBrah View Post
    I might today instead of pendlay rows.
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    Originally Posted by nads786 View Post
    x2 they may be better than db rows, just gotta see if you can keep adding weight to it or not. Andrew does he have a journal here?

    Man I won't be lifting for 9 days (Tuesday to Wed) and I already am going thru withdrawls. Someone do this exercise and see if its legit or not.
    He does although he has only just started re-posting after a break.
    I'll give them a go on the weekend and report back

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    barx8
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    135lbsx5
    155lbsx5
    190lbsx5
    190lbsx5

    10 rep PR

    2)Barbell RDL
    barx8
    95lbsx5
    135lbsx5
    155lbsx5
    165lbsx5
    185lbsx3
    185lbsx3

    3) Hip Thrusts (Db)
    bwx12
    50lbsx12
    100lbsx12
    110lbsx12
    bwx8

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    Overall solid workout. First workout back after 10 days! Crazy long layoff. Front squats felt pretty good decided to add a box to keep me honest. My touch touches the box and I explode up no pausing.

    I did some BB RDL, they felt solid but my back was rounding pretty hard as the weight got slightly heavy. Still debating if this is worth keeping or not. I'd love to find a hamstring exercise that I can really load up without the potential back strains.

    DB hip thrusts felt awesome as usual, need to switch to BB soon. I ran out of time to do calves or bird dogs.
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    Great job on the front Box squatting Nadeem --- 190 and deep is strong for reps. Also good work in the RDLs. Technically you shouldn't round your back at all on an RDL but should only take the bar as far down the shin until the hammies and lower back feels tight

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    Strong comeback session! Volume PR on front squats after a 10 day layoff means you're going to have some nice DOMs
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    Originally Posted by -calvus- View Post
    Welcome back then. Boxes are a great way to get the movement of the lift down for sure. Good lifts all around.
    Thanks bro, its actually feels easier to hit the box vs without for some reason..weird, feels better on my knees too.

    Originally Posted by fittofattofit View Post
    Great job on the front Box squatting Nadeem --- 190 and deep is strong for reps. Also good work in the RDLs. Technically you shouldn't round your back at all on an RDL but should only take the bar as far down the shin until the hammies and lower back feels tight

    My fave hamstring ex is the GHR with my heels under the knee rest of the seated row
    I think I may have been going way too low on some of the sets on RDL. I think in the future I'll stick to slightly below knee. I will lose some stretch and hamstring development but it will probably prevent rounding of my back. This may have to do with inflexibility.

    I woke up this morning with good hamstring doms and almost no lower back soreness, so I must of done something right.

    Originally Posted by Woody-5 View Post
    Strong comeback session! Volume PR on front squats after a 10 day layoff means you're going to have some nice DOMs
    Ya definitely, quads and glutes are super sore and I have a halloween party to go to, BRB sitting all night.
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    1) BB Flat Bench
    barx12
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    135lbsx8
    155lbsx8
    185lbsx6
    185lbsx6
    185lbsx6

    2) DB Rows
    60lbsx8
    80lbsx6
    100lbsx8 (more in the tank)
    100lbsx4 (much more in the tank)

    3)Incline BB Bench
    barx12
    95lbsx8
    135lbsx8
    155lbsx8
    185lbsx3

    4) Land Mine Rows (using fat grip)
    25lbsx5
    50lbsx5
    75lbsx5

    5) Land Mine Rows (using bar)
    25lbsx5
    50lbsx5
    75lbsx5

    6) Planks
    8 sets @ 20 seconds

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    Overall solid workout, I didn't have a spotter as my brother is traveling for work so I decided to just keep it light at 185lbs and prepare for some heavy weight in the coming weeks.

    I have to say it felt super light and benching was pretty fun. I think this 10 day layoff really seem to help. I need to really figure some logical deloads into my training I think that may have been why i stalled.

    DB rows felt pretty solid, no twisting very solid form. I again decided to keep it light and slowly work my way up. I probably need to strap soon my grip was slipping a bit.

    Incline BB felt ok, had a lil shoulder issue so I stopped at 3 reps on 185 no biggie. I defintely will not be able to get PRs on this after flat bench!

    Landmine rows felt ok, good change up but I prefer DB rows and where the weight is centered close to your body. I actually preferred the bar grip version of landmine rows.

    Also planning on dividing my planks with side planks and start trying to hit some total time PRs.

    In other news I will plan on just dividing back up like before and hitting it heavy twice. My back seems to be able to handle heavy weight twice a week fine unlike chest/shoulders.
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    Good stuff today fella! Strong DB rows!!! I still need to try out the landmines
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    Solid work on the benching and rows Nadeem! It's great that the 'deload' has left the 185s feeling light. Maybe go for sets of 205 next time, and if that's OK go for the 225s the following week. You've done it before and your strength should be rebounding after the break, especially if your weight has stayed stable
    And good move to hit the back twice --- it can take a lot of battering and I think that a lot of people neglect it relative to their chest and legs
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    135lbx5
    185lbsx5
    205lbsx3 (pr)
    180lbsx8
    180lbsx8

    3) One Leg Hip Thrusts
    bwx8
    bwx8
    bwx8

    4)Calves
    3 sets of 12 reps at 225lbs

    5) Hypers
    bwx15
    bwx13
    bwx12

    6) Bird Dogs
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    Overall very good workout. *Was planning on doing a light workout but went full retard and tried to hit a PR. The PR set was with a box and the remaining were not. Those 8 rep sets killed my legs, they are already getting sore as well as my core.

    The rest of the workout was solid and light I was pretty wiped out after (in b4 puss).
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    Good job on the fronts PR, but I'm even more impressed with those 8 rep sets @ 180!

    I'm trying to picture the One Leg Hip Thrusts and I imagine a lot of WTF stares in the gym
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    Originally Posted by fittofattofit View Post
    Good job on the fronts PR, but I'm even more impressed with those 8 rep sets @ 180!

    I'm trying to picture the One Leg Hip Thrusts and I imagine a lot of WTF stares in the gym
    Haha it actually looks better than standard ones I don't look as much of a pervert! It's a good exercise for stability as my left leg seems to be much stronger.
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