Panetta concerned Israel months from striking Iran

[NuggzTheNinja]

After Israel's complete failure to defeat Hezbollah and to end their presence, I highly doubt they want to pick a fight with Iran. And yes, it was a defeat because Israel vowed to destroy Hezbollah, while Hezbollah vowed to remain active. My news tell me that Israel withdrew... it also tells me that Hezbollah is still active in the region... even more armed than before. So who accomplished their mission? Hezbollah or Israel?

Iran won't just retaliate directly against Israel, they will take A-Stan and Iraq by the balls and openly arm their people there. Iraq in 2006 was a slaughterhouse because Iran's ally Mehdi Army was active, Iraq looked better once the Mehdi Army stopped fighting. Iran can activate them against the Iraqi government or remaining U.S. presence anytime they wish.

I was last deployed to the Lebanon border in 2009 and they were literally nowhere to be seen. Before the war you could see their outposts everywhere. They may have rearmed but they're staying far away from the border.

Everything they've attempted since 2006 has gone very...very poorly for them.

[Beeewbs]

Thoughts?

Sit back and let Iran and Israel f*ck each other in the face. Both are douches. Israel is counting on the US jumping in and helping them. They're like the little brat on the playground that has a huge bully for a friend, and they know that as soon as they go and get one good punch in, their bully friend will rescue their ass from fighting on their own. We're gonna get dragged into this BS.

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

Sit back and let Iran and Israel f*ck each other in the face. Both are douches. Israel is counting on the US jumping in and helping them. They're like the little brat on the playground that has a huge bully for a friend, and they know that as soon as they go and get one good punch in, their bully friend will rescue their ass from fighting on their own. We're gonna get dragged into this BS.

LMAO @ America being the bully while Iran chants death to Israel and death to America.

[NoFXN]

Sit back and let Iran and Israel f*ck each other in the face. Both are douches. Israel is counting on the US jumping in and helping them. They're like the little brat on the playground that has a huge bully for a friend, and they know that as soon as they go and get one good punch in, their bully friend will rescue their ass from fighting on their own. We're gonna get dragged into this BS.

Should let them wipe each other off the face of the earth...

2 problems solved in one quick press of the red button.

LMAO @ America being the bully while Iran chants death to Israel and death to America.

brb herp derp they are like a gossiping girl that barks but doesn't bite.

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

brb herp derp they are like a gossiping girl that barks but doesn't bite.

When someone tells you they're going to murder you, you phucking take them seriously.

Common sense 101.

[illriginalized]

LMAO @ America being the bully while Iran chants death to Israel and death to America.

Ya well Iran is well aware of Israel and the U.S. connection on assassinating their scientists.. I think they have the right to be pissed the **** off.


I'm sure they're also well aware that Obama gave Israel missiles to be used on 2012 on Iran.

[Rockchalk0420]

Hey dumb phuck, without Israel the US will have no control in the Middle East,

The US has other allies in the region. Most notably Saudi Arabia. (Probably the single most important Mid-East country) They've recently just signed a defense deal for US armaments worth $60 billion.

The US does not need Israel for "control" of the middle east. The fact that we are allied to Israel is based more on principal than it is strategics. Israel is only relevant because of the US. With that said, Israel is a democracy, which is to be admired in the mid-east.

and the Middle East will just be a big phucking place of hatred towards the west and the US.

It already is that way now. Our relationship with Israel is offensive to the rest of the mid-east. If we cooled our relationship with Israel, the US would likely be viewed more favorably.

Israel is the only sane nation left here. and while your'e having fun in your big country, soldiers eat **** here everyday .

I suppose that would be an understandable answer from a 16 year old Israeli. I understand Israels concerns. If I were Israeli, I'd latch onto the US as well. But Americans need to either follow the US constitution, or just go ahead and shred whats left of it to get it over with. We need to make a choice, is Israel worth American blood and finances? Are Americans "ok" with letting their sons, and daughters, husbands, and wives, die for a country that is not their own? Most all Americans would say absolutely "Not". Which is why we need to have this debate in this country.

George Washington warned about getting into entangling alliances. The America you see today, is not the same country that it was founded to be. The "war on terror" is viewed as a joke here. It has cost us $4 trillion, and loss of our liberties. (all in the name of security) We've been at war for over a decade now in that specific region. We've been engaged in heavy fighting. We're over it, we want it STOPPED! We do NOT want a third war in the past 10 years.

This is something Israel is going to have to learn to deal with on their own. They could survive with a nuclear Iran. The US did it with the soviets for over 40 years. I think the Israelis could do it too.

[Rockchalk0420]

Israel attacks Iran? bye bye Iran, Syria wants to get involved? bye bye Syria.
They don't have the power to stop Israel, period.
Iran's Jets can't even fly to Israel. Israel has so many anti long range missiles all over it's country, anti jets unit, and one of the best airforces + a **** load of long range missiles.

The US would have issues facing a country like Iran. And we have the most capable military force known to man! Its a huge country with a decent military force. Israel has a good airforce, but Israel could not defeat Iran in a war. Not on their own! They would have to coerce the US into helping them.

[BalkanPrince]

LMAO @ America being the bully while Iran chants death to Israel and death to America.

So Iranians yelling "Death to Israel" and "Death to America" is worse than bombing Iraq, bombing A-Stan, and sanctioning Iran?


Oh, bomb me, sanction me, invade me... but please don't yell "Death to America" to me!!! Anything but that!!!!

[Rockchalk0420]

Apparently you did not hear that Israel may become a new exporter of oil in 10 years due to the oil reserves found,

The keyword here is "may", along with "in 10 years". This does no benefit us now, and certainly has not benefited us in the past.

but that's not nearly important as the fact that America benefits from Israeli weapons technology used by both the Secret Service and the army;

The way you word this is highly deceptive. The US does not rely on Israel for weapons technology. And we never have. I assure you the transfer of technology between the US and Israel is heavily one sided. America gets the short end of the stick.

is an extremely innovative nation per capita;

Not shocking, considering the population is smaller than the population in NYC.

provide America with free Mossad-intelligence

We give them $3 billion in aid every year...

in the ME that exceeds five CIAs (according to American intelligence experts); and is the only stable US ally in the ME.

This is also incredibly deceptive. And unless you actually know the type of intel being discussed, and what countries it includes, its pure conjecture.

Thomas Jefferson would disagree with you....

Thomas Jefferson has been dead since 1826. You are comparing apples to oranges.

[JamesMUSCLE]

I don't think we should be dealing with pakistan any longer anyway. They are not our friends.

The Drone Strike that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers sure didn't help our relations with them either.

[illriginalized]

The US would have issues facing a country like Iran. And we have the most capable military force known to man! Its a huge country with a decent military force. Israel has a good airforce, but Israel could not defeat Iran in a war. Not on their own! They would have to coerce the US into helping them.

Dear God.. I really hope not. Not just for the sake of our economy which is so fragile right now it's amazing (not really, people in Chicago are losing jobs left and right), but also because the lives on both sides.. I have a damn half brother that was shipped out to Afghanistan. I don't want him going to Iran.


Ron Paul.. I hope his message hits all of our troops and they in turn refuse to fight this illegal war/occupation. They have the right to.. it is out in the open, what we're doing in the middle east is illegal and they do NOT have to obey illegal orders.

[JUSA]

Thoughts?

I like the logic.

- We can't allow Iran to obtain nukes because they might use them, so we better drop a nuke on them before that happens.

makes perfect sense.

[jake24]

No doubt Israel will deal with Iran... No one in their right mind can blame them... Israel is in a tough spot if they don't act now Hitler Jr. in Iran will use nuclear weapons on Israel and will kill possibly millions of Jews (if anyone doubts this - they have no sence whatsoever and know very little about the situation).. If they act and do a pre - emptive strike to prevent this the whole world will hate them even more even though there doing what is right!... I might add the Hebrew prophets of the bible predict a major war with Persia (modern day Iran) along with russia and other arab nations in the latter days after Israels rebirth as a nation (which took place in 1948).. This pre emptive strike could set up the fullfillment of these prophecies... Gods word is never wrong - it like a jig saw puzzle fitting into place just as predicted.

[nick187]

Dear God.. I really hope not. Not just for the sake of our economy which is so fragile right now it's amazing (not really, people in Chicago are losing jobs left and right), but also because the lives on both sides.. I have a damn half brother that was shipped out to Afghanistan. I don't want him going to Iran.

Iran is a rising Super-Power.

Most populations in the region look to Iran as a guide despite what MSM propagates - (we know who controls the MSM) - Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are failed states so are the Arab Gulf sheikhdoms. They were carved out of the Ottoman Empire and are transitory and fake entities. (Think Sykes–Picot_Agreement) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E...icot_Agreement

The US needs to forge an alliance with Iran - very possible and in the best interest of the US - as opposed to that little crappy Zionist military outpost which is hated throughout the region and their claim on that land is based on mythology of some fairy tale concocted by some sheep herder 3000 years ago.

Iran can provide security in the region and maintain the flow of oil from the Hormuz and also reign in the Saudi backed terrorists.

This is is the GRAND DEAL. And trust me the US is inching toward recognition of this reality.

This is not my assessment but the assessment of many former CIA agents and those that know that AIPAC is just a lobby and serves only the interests of that entity called Israel.

[crazyshea]

The US needs to forge an alliance with Iran - very possible and in the best interest of the US - as opposed to that little crappy Zionist military outpost which is hated throughout the region and their claim on that land is based on mythology of some fairy tale concocted by some sheep herder 3000 years ago.

Iran can provide security in the region and maintain the flow of oil from the Hormuz and also reign in the Saudi backed terrorists.

This is is the GRAND DEAL. And trust me the US is inching toward recognition of this reality.

This is not my assessment but the assessment of many former CIA agents and those that know that AIPAC is just a lobby and serves only the interests of that entity called Israel.

Amazing post, so informative and filled with hope and truths. It brought tears to my eyes. Repped on sight for life.

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

I like the logic.

- We can't allow Iran to obtain nukes because they might use them, so we better drop a nuke on them before that happens.

makes perfect sense.

Who's saying this?

[Rockchalk0420]

Iran is a regional superpower. An alliance between them and the US would be beneficial to both countries, as well as for world peace.

[JamesMUSCLE]

Lets say this all does happen and the US somehow gets involved.

How do we go about paying for another war? Print more money? Borrow more from China?

All these warhawks keep seeming to forget we're 15 trillion dollars in debt!!

[Streetbull]

Lets say this all does happen and the US somehow gets involved.

How do we go about paying for another war? Print more money? Borrow more from China?

All these warhawks keep seeming to forget we're 15 trillion dollars in debt!!

As long as the petrodollar system is in place, the impact of the debt is negligible.

The whole point of attacking Iran is to show ALL nations that we WILL defend the petrodollar system. We have to do it -- if that falls, our currency will plunge and inflation will run wild. Few will want dollars anymore.

Against attacking Iran? Against the petrodollar system? Fine. Your standard of living and mine gets cut in half, at least. Welcome to destitution.

[ONtop888]

It makes more sense to let them get nuclear power, and if they break the nuclear non-proliferation treaty by making nuclear weapons then we should have a global coalition that has signed and committed to destroying the Iranian military.

This Pre-emptive chit is out of control.

[channelcat]

As long as the petrodollar system is in place, the impact of the debt is negligible.

The whole point of attacking Iran is to show ALL nations that we WILL defend the petrodollar system. We have to do it -- if that falls, our currency will plunge and inflation will run wild. Few will want dollars anymore.

Against attacking Iran? Against the petrodollar system? Fine. Your standard of living and mine gets cut in half, at least. Welcome to destitution.

I agree.

So if the US is being genuine when saying that they don't want Israel to attack Iran, is it because they are afraid that an attack will strengthen the Iranian regime,whereas sanctions will weaken it? I still have a feeling that Israel and the US are just playing good cop bad cop , with Israel being the bad cop.

I hope that Israel and the US get spanked by this whole ordeal, If Iran wants to sell oil to China, India, and South Korea for gold and yuan and whatever else that's their business, even if it means the unravelling of a superpower....

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

I agree.

So if the US is being genuine when saying that they don't want Israel to attack Iran, is it because they are afraid that an attack will strengthen the Iranian regime,whereas sanctions will weaken it? I still have a feeling that Israel and the US are just playing good cop bad cop , with Israel being the bad cop.

I hope that Israel and the US get spanked by this whole ordeal, If Iran wants to sell oil to China, India, and South Korea for gold and yuan and whatever else that's their business, even if it means the unravelling of a superpower....

Are you American?

[MantisShrimp]

The university of your mom's sticky asshole.

NastEnast
Banned

[Rockchalk0420]

I agree.

So if the US is being genuine when saying that they don't want Israel to attack Iran, is it because they are afraid that an attack will strengthen the Iranian regime,whereas sanctions will weaken it? I still have a feeling that Israel and the US are just playing good cop bad cop , with Israel being the bad cop.
I hope that Israel and the US get spanked by this whole ordeal, If Iran wants to sell oil to China, India, and South Korea for gold and yuan and whatever else that's their business, even if it means the unravelling of a superpower....

People were saying the same thing when Iran switched from the USD to the Euro...The USD did not collapse. And it wont if Iran started selling oil in gold. First off, Iran does not produce all that much oil. Yes, they are the 5th or 6th largest producers in the world, but that is not enough to upset the balance. Secondly, there really isn't a huge market for iranian oil. Russia, Saudi Arabia, and the US are the worlds largest oil producers (the US is expected to take the top spot by 2017). While the US has its issues, the USD remains the worlds strongest currency. One country will not upset this order.

Iran would be stupid to start selling oil in the Yuan, as China has its own economic issues...Add to that that the yuan is weak as hell and it really makes no sense for them to do that. This is more to do with the US and the EU pushing sanctions on Iran than it does anything else. Iran is bitter, and no longer wants to sell their oil in euros, as a result. This won't "unravel" a superpower, especially one like the US. If it were at all that easy, they would have done this in the 1980's.

[StayPerfect4Me]

I suggested to a religious friend of mine that we have no business defending Israel because their regime is a corrupt regime that has rejected God. He looked at me like I said I love gay orgies, then starting going on about how the bible says that any nation that supports Israel is blessed and any nation that comes against it will be destroyed. I said "do you not see some of the atrocities that they do to the Palestinian people? those people were kicked out of their homes in 1948 so Israel could become a country again." He replied by saying he understands there are atrocities on both sides but he also said that it was never the Palestinians land to begin with. While this may be biblical, I still don't think it was write to kick innocent people out of their homes and put them in refugee camps. A vast majority of those people had no part in the Muslim invasions of Palestine. fyi I'm a Christian.

I wonder what he would say if they decided to kick us out of our homes and give them back to the Native Americans since this wasn't our land to begin with.

[Jnoah89]

I know that Iran is a despotic regime. They are a theocratic hellhole that the world would be better off without. Their human rights record is absolutely disgusting, as is the governance. But as an American, I can't help but feel my country helped craft the current regime and resentment in Iran. We meddled in their affairs by overthrowing a democratically elected president, installed a puppet dictator in the shah, raped and pillaged the country for 20 years until finally the hardliners gained a voice. The rest is history...

But your wrong. The United States did not meddle with Iran. The United States did not create what is the modern day Iran. The US did not create this regime. The US was allied with the Shah, but when the unrests became strong, Carter started to distance of the Shah.
The Shah left Iran and his government was toppled by the coalition of a large scale of political movments that were opposed to the monarchy. The most strong among them were the Islamists and the communists. In a second stage, the Islamists instaured the theocracy and killed or imprisoned the leaders of the other movements. The US did not back them!

If Israel does indeed bomb Irans nuclear facilities, Iran will block the strait of hormuz. This will in fact mean that the US will have to get involved. If not, then oil prices will skyrocket. An attack on Irans nuclear facilities will illicit an act of war. To think Iran would not respond to such acts of aggression is ludicrous. Iran has been prepping for this for the better part of a decade. (perhaps even longer) Again, it is a forgone conclusion that the US will be drawn into the region if a conflict erupts between Israel and Iran.

I have repeated this million of times. Israel will have absolute no choice but to attack Iranian nuclear facilities in the future. A nuclear Iran is not an option FOR ISRAEL. Iran has threatened Israel on several occasions. Iran has been fighting Israel through its proxy wars for DECADES! Iran has already been at war with Israel for years and years. Was the USA ever involved militarily? NO.

Go ahead, let Iran have nukes. Don't complain when Iran has unlimited possibilities in the middle east. Considering it will try to influence and take over the Gulf region, create a nuclear arms race, dictate oil prices, endless possibilities. And at the end, the USA will be involved anyhow, considering it will NEVER allow Iran to take any control over the Gulf what so ever. Stop listening to Dr. Paul and think for once.

Nice argument.

But the fact still remains, Israel is not of any great significance to the US. They have no oil or natural resources that we rely on. They have very little manpower, and not to mention geographically, they are not significant at all. A better argument could be made that our support for Israel actually hurts us...So we really don't get much out of the alliance with Israel. I think if we dropped our support (not that we would drop 100% necessarily) the headaches would go away.

Umm... Israel is a very strategic allies to the United States. The United States has gotten an assortment of technologies and weaponry from Israel. Israel has been used by the United States as a stabilizing force in the region. Its much cheaper to give Israel aid to control the middle east than to start a military conflict. Israel has provided many technologies and supplies to the USA private sector as well as valuable intelligence which Israel is known for. How can Israel not be used for geographic strategy? That is the stupidest thing I ever heard. Considering the US military has adopted many varieties from the Israeli's.

- Special Forces: After the failure of the US hostage rescue in Iran, The US turned to the Israeli IDF for shared tactics to enhance the SF.

- Armor: After the YKW, the US army calibrated with the IDF to learn about the faults of armor used by the IDF. The US military disbanded the M1 and adopted a new calibrated IDF armor doctrine and had great successes in the Gulf War. The US army awarded the IDF with a memorial of Israeli General Tal in an exhibit in the Hall of Glory at Fort Knox as one of the most important armor officers.

- SEAD: The IAF shared knowledge with the US Air Force in a 1982 Air Suppress Doctrine. This doctrine and various Israeli weapons were used by the Americans in the Gulf War 91'.

- Counter Terrorism: IDF has shared tactics and training of CT with the USA and the World. The world counter terrorism conference is held in Israel

- UAV'S: Israel pioneered UAV's and were years ahead of any country in the world. Israel shared its technological know how with the USA.

- Counter Insurgent: After the involvement in Lebanon, USA asked for intel and experience from the IDF to prepare with CI pre deployment of Afg and Iraq.

- Homeland Security: USA adopted many Israeli technologies and disciplines.

Again, nice argument. I take it since THAT is your rebuttal, you have no argument.

After 100's of threads of the same answers I provided, I expect you to understand by now.

This is something people need to understand (Jnoah, Renegade, etc). The US has been at war in the middle east for the past decade. The American people have no stomach for another conflict. We're tired of the wars, we're tired of the military industrial complex. We want to bring our troops home to defend OUR COUNTRY. We cannot afford to continue fight these wars. (literally) At some point, something has got to give.

I understand the USA does not war. Do you think we Israeli's want war? Do you think we Israeli's want rockets falling into our cities thanks to Iran? Do you think we are not scared that if an attack happens, that several terrorist groups will be armed by Iran in retaliation. The simple fact that YOU do not get is this.

... EITHER WAY, The US will be involved with Iran militarily if they acquire nukes. It will be cheaper and more effective to do it now than when its too late. You Americans are NOT immune to terrorism. And before you say Iran has not done anything. Ask the victims families of Argentina, Israel, and the 6 countries in 3 months that Hezzbollah tried to target. ORDERD BY IRAN!!!!

[Rockchalk0420]

But your wrong. The United States did not meddle with Iran. The United States did not create what is the modern day Iran. The US did not create this regime. The US was allied with the Shah, but when the unrests became strong, Carter started to distance of the Shah.
The Shah left Iran and his government was toppled by the coalition of a large scale of political movments that were opposed to the monarchy. The most strong among them were the Islamists and the communists. In a second stage, the Islamists instaured the theocracy and killed or imprisoned the leaders of the other movements. The US did not back them!

Actually, the US involvement and interference is to blame...before the 1950's, the US did not have a hostile relationship with Iran. After the 1953 coup, where a democratically elected PM was overthrown by US backed groups, the US placed a puppet in power with the Shah. The Shah ruled ruthlessly, and was a dictator by all means. Eventually, the Iranian people had had enough and overthrew the Shah. The hardliners focused their hatred against the US. At this time, the Iranian islamist revolution was in full swing, by 1979-1980, the blowback came full circle, with 52 Americans being held hostage for 444 days...This was not because they were simply "freedom loving Americans"...it was a statement that was directed towards America and our policies in the region.

It does not matter that carter "tried" to distance himself from the Shah. The damage had already been done with 20+ years of the Shah, which the US backed. The US also backed Mubarak of Egypt for 30 years...when the Egyptian people overthrew him, the US also backed away from supporting him. Ironically, Egypt is actually holding US citizens inside Egypt RIGHT NOW, not allowing them to leave for the US. They are using American citizens as bargaining chips with the US. Again, another case where our foreign policy comes back to bite us in the ass. It will be interesting to see where our relations with Egypt stand in the coming years.

I have repeated this million of times. Israel will have absolute no choice but to attack Iranian nuclear facilities in the future. A nuclear Iran is not an option FOR ISRAEL. Iran has threatened Israel on several occasions. Iran has been fighting Israel through its proxy wars for DECADES! Iran has already been at war with Israel for years and years. Was the USA ever involved militarily? NO.

War with Iran is not something Israel can win. Not on their own. Israel will be making a big mistake if they think Iran will not retaliate to Israel bombing their land. Iran is not Iraq, nor Syria, or even Lebanon. Rest assured, if Israel does bomb Iran facilities, they will have Syria, and Lebanon along with Iran to contend with.

The only thing that has stopped Iran from full on attacking Israel is their fear of the US military. If they feel like they're being backed into a corner, and have no other options, they will not hesitate to launch a full scale attack.

Go ahead, let Iran have nukes. Don't complain when Iran has unlimited possibilities in the middle east. Considering it will try to influence and take over the Gulf region, create a nuclear arms race, dictate oil prices, endless possibilities. And at the end, the USA will be involved anyhow, considering it will NEVER allow Iran to take any control over the Gulf what so ever. Stop listening to Dr. Paul and think for once.

I think Iran is doing what any nation would be doing in similar circumstances. If relations cooled between the US and Iran, trade commenced, and Iran liberalized, peace and appeasement could be achieved. *GASP* we could have "cooperation" from Iran.

Also, I find your examples to be gross exaggerations. Iran did not try and take over Iraq in the 1980's, after Saddam and his forces were beaten and retreated back to Iraq. Iran was simply defending themselves from an aggressor who was trying to take over their oil fields. They already are a regional superpower. They have tremendous influence already. Rather than fight this influence to appease Israel, we should all learn to cope with it by peaceful means. Trade, respect, and cooperation should be what we use to deal with Iran.

Umm... Israel is a very strategic allies to the United States. The United States has gotten an assortment of technologies and weaponry from Israel.

I've already addressed this. The US does not depend on weapons technologies from Israel...We never have. Its the other way around. Your entire front-line air force is based upon US aircraft. Much of your armaments, missiles, etc. are US weapons. The bunker busters you would be using to attack Irans facilities, are American. Just the fact that you will virtually be given the JSF-35, shows how one sided this "alliance" has become. This much is clear, Israels depends on the US far more than the US depends on Israel. And that is the way it has always been.

Israel has been used by the United States as a stabilizing force in the region.

Lotta good thats done..../sarcasm

Its much cheaper to give Israel aid to control the middle east than to start a military conflict. Israel has provided many technologies and supplies to the USA private sector as well as valuable intelligence which Israel is known for. How can Israel not be used for geographic strategy? That is the stupidest thing I ever heard. Considering the US military has adopted many varieties from the Israeli's.

The point is simple enough. Israel could fall into the sea tomorrow, and the US would move on. It literally would not affect us in any negative way at all.

- Special Forces: After the failure of the US hostage rescue in Iran, The US turned to the Israeli IDF for shared tactics to enhance the SF.

- Armor: After the YKW, the US army calibrated with the IDF to learn about the faults of armor used by the IDF. The US military disbanded the M1 and adopted a new calibrated IDF armor doctrine and had great successes in the Gulf War. The US army awarded the IDF with a memorial of Israeli General Tal in an exhibit in the Hall of Glory at Fort Knox as one of the most important armor officers.

- SEAD: The IAF shared knowledge with the US Air Force in a 1982 Air Suppress Doctrine. This doctrine and various Israeli weapons were used by the Americans in the Gulf War 91'.

- Counter Terrorism: IDF has shared tactics and training of CT with the USA and the World. The world counter terrorism conference is held in Israel

- UAV'S: Israel pioneered UAV's and were years ahead of any country in the world. Israel shared its technological know how with the USA.

- Counter Insurgent: After the involvement in Lebanon, USA asked for intel and experience from the IDF to prepare with CI pre deployment of Afg and Iraq.

- Homeland Security: USA adopted many Israeli technologies and disciplines.

This is all quite misleading of you. What you've described above is just one of the many different sources used by the US to deal with scenarios. We also use the british MI7 regularly, but I don't see British citizens trying to take credit for all of Americas successes.

The part I put in bold above is particularly misleading. The US has always been at the forefront of UAV technology. That is all I am going to address on that, because I have already addressed that point in previous threads. You should know better.

I understand the USA does not war. Do you think we Israeli's want war? Do you think we Israeli's want rockets falling into our cities thanks to Iran? Do you think we are not scared that if an attack happens, that several terrorist groups will be armed by Iran in retaliation. The simple fact that YOU do not get is this.

... EITHER WAY, The US will be involved with Iran militarily if they acquire nukes. It will be cheaper and more effective to do it now than when its too late. You Americans are NOT immune to terrorism. And before you say Iran has not done anything. Ask the victims families of Argentina, Israel, and the 6 countries in 3 months that Hezzbollah tried to target. ORDERD BY IRAN!!!!

Lets get one thing straight, Iran is not a threat to the US. It never has been, and never will be. We have over 6000 ICBMs on active stand by. We have the worlds most prolific fighting force. We are unrivaled in the world to the point of ridiculousness.

Our soldiers take an oath to protect the United States of America. Not Israel, not Britain, not Germany, not Japan, etc. etc. I see this as more of a regional problem than I do an international one. Unless this is something that threatens the safety of the US, I could give a rats ass less.

And Iran will never attack the US or American citizens because of their fear of the US military. That is our big stick. Its the only reason why they have not directly attacked the US today.

[Jnoah89]

Actually, the US involvement and interference is to blame...before the 1950's, the US did not have a hostile relationship with Iran. After the 1953 coup, where a democratically elected PM was overthrown by US backed groups, the US placed a puppet in power with the Shah. The Shah ruled ruthlessly, and was a dictator by all means. Eventually, the Iranian people had had enough and overthrew the Shah. The hardliners focused their hatred against the US. At this time, the Iranian islamist revolution was in full swing, by 1979-1980, the blowback came full circle, with 52 Americans being held hostage for 444 days...This was not because they were simply "freedom loving Americans"...it was a statement that was directed towards America and our policies in the region.

It does not matter that carter "tried" to distance himself from the Shah. The damage had already been done with 20+ years of the Shah, which the US backed. The US also backed Mubarak of Egypt for 30 years...when the Egyptian people overthrew him, the US also backed away from supporting him. Ironically, Egypt is actually holding US citizens inside Egypt RIGHT NOW, not allowing them to leave for the US. They are using American citizens as bargaining chips with the US. Again, another case where our foreign policy comes back to bite us in the ass. It will be interesting to see where our relations with Egypt stand in the coming years.

Your history is correct but its not the construction of modern Iran hold any responsibility by the US. Modern Iran was created because of the political groups that took over and kill over for the regime. The military takeover has nothing to do with this. Please leave Dr. Paul's historical thoughts out of this.

War with Iran is not something Israel can win. Not on their own. Israel will be making a big mistake if they think Iran will not retaliate to Israel bombing their land. Iran is not Iraq, nor Syria, or even Lebanon. Rest assured, if Israel does bomb Iran facilities, they will have Syria, and Lebanon along with Iran to contend with. The only thing that has stopped Iran from full on attacking Israel is their fear of the US military. If they feel like they're being backed into a corner, and have no other options, they will not hesitate to launch a full scale attack.

Since when have you been a military analysis of Israel? Do you know the economic, militarily and domestic strengths of both countries? Your aware that the Assad regime is falling and does not have the leg it can stand on anymore like it once did. I understand your American bubble is big, but Israel will strike if needs be. Israel has won every war against her wish without the help from the US, every single one. Israel has been contending with multiple threats since 1948, this is nothing new. The real enemy to be worried about is Hezzbollah, Islamic Jihad of Palestine, which have received an enormous amount of weapons from Iran in the past years. And fyi, the war your thinking of and the war that will happen between Iran/Israel, are ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. It will not be like MW3.

I think Iran is doing what any nation would be doing in similar circumstances. If relations cooled between the US and Iran, trade commenced, and Iran liberalized, peace and appeasement could be achieved. *GASP* we could have "cooperation" from Iran.

Cooperation with Iran? How is this going to stop Iranian terror sponsorship of proxies organizations? How will any of this prevent another rocket firing into Israel? Dr. Paul which your ideologies similar, fail to grasp this concept of terrorism sponsorship and believes hugs and kisses will make the terrorist side of life go away.

Also, I find your examples to be gross exaggerations. Iran did not try and take over Iraq in the 1980's, after Saddam and his forces were beaten and retreated back to Iraq. Iran was simply defending themselves from an aggressor who was trying to take over their oil fields. They already are a regional superpower. They have tremendous influence already. Rather than fight this influence to appease Israel, we should all learn to cope with it by peaceful means. Trade, respect, and cooperation should be what we use to deal with Iran.

I never mentioned Iran trying to take over Iraq in 1980. I did not even mention the war. Iran is not a regional superpower. If they are, then why are they desperately building a nuclear program? Why are they violating treaty after resolution? Iran is losing its leg to stand on. Its only platform is Assad's regime Syria, which is the next to collapse. Iran is NOTHING without Hezzbollah, and Hezzbollah will not be aloud in Syria without Assad. The new Syrian regime will most likely be pro Israel and Iran will be stuck to defend itself on its land. Iran has no influence kid, this is why they are building nuclear weapons. To have diplomatic say in the region, its purely that simplistic. Who in the middle east is fighting Israel because of the influence of Zionism? You do not live with the negative effects of Iranian terror support, so you have no hell in clue what your are talking about. Trade, respect, and cooperation lol. Tell that to the victims families in Argentina and Israel.

I've already addressed this. The US does not depend on weapons technologies from Israel...We never have. Its the other way around. Your entire front-line air force is based upon US aircraft. Much of your armaments, missiles, etc. are US weapons. The bunker busters you would be using to attack Irans facilities, are American. Just the fact that you will virtually be given the JSF-35, shows how one sided this "alliance" has become. This much is clear, Israels depends on the US far more than the US depends on Israel. And that is the way it has always been.

Thats fine that you addressed your viewpoint multiple times. Does not make you right. The US does not need to depend on weapons from Israel. So because of this, its not a strategic ally? Absolutely not kid, much of the IDF is less dependent on American equipment. In fact, mostly our entire link of tanks are IDF. The IDF is composed of many parts from the US combined with Israeli technology. Heck, many of us still have soviet arms from the 1970's! We even have equipment from germany and other EU countries. There is no denial of US arms used, but its not the 1980's anymore. You once again share the same ideologies of Dr. Ron Paul and he is absolutely wrong about his assumptions of Israel. I suggest you understand Israel's importance strategically and understand why US FMF's are given to Israel in benefit of the US.

Lotta good thats done..../sarcasm

Typical American.. Israel has a stabilizing effect in this highly unstable region and for the last 50 years, no Western military intervention was necessary there. The middle east could be much much worse, consisted on proxy wars although out Near East if it wasn't for Israel's stabilizing effects.

The point is simple enough. Israel could fall into the sea tomorrow, and the US would move on. It literally would not affect us in any negative way at all.

There would be huge global impacts that would effect the USA, in many different aspects in which you have not thought about. Your assumptions of immunity to terrorism is laughable.

This is all quite misleading of you. What you've described above is just one of the many different sources used by the US to deal with scenarios. We also use the british MI7 regularly, but I don't see British citizens trying to take credit for all of Americas successes.

Haha its misleading now. Why, because credit is not given where its due? There is a big difference between taking credit and given credit. The people in these fields give credit to the Israeli's, you dont. Not mine or anybody else problem.

The part I put in bold above is particularly misleading. The US has always been at the forefront of UAV technology. That is all I am going to address on that, because I have already addressed that point in previous threads. You should know better.

We have been the forerunners in UAV technology from the beginning. More countries by our UAV's than any other. We assisted the American's and later on in history you made some very good ones. This is well documented and you have not changed my mind on this. Older generation folks from around the world will share my opinion.

Lets get one thing straight, Iran is not a threat to the US. It never has been, and never will be. We have over 6000 ICBMs on active stand by. We have the worlds most prolific fighting force. We are unrivaled in the world to the point of ridiculousness.

Thats fine and dandy. Iran fights through proxy wars, not some mystical MW3 style of bomber plans and rockets at NYC. Iran gives weapons to terrorist organizations to fight citizens abroad. A nuclear Iran however, who knows what they would do. You can't be an arm chair moralist.

Our soldiers take an oath to protect the United States of America. Not Israel, not Britain, not Germany, not Japan, etc. etc. I see this as more of a regional problem than I do an international one. Unless this is something that threatens the safety of the US, I could give a rats ass less.

Im going to call you Dr. Paul for now on because you sound exactly like him and with no personal ambiguity for yourself. USA has its reasons and so does Israel. The EU has its reasons and so does Australia. It does not matter, the point is a nuclear Iran is dangerous for the USA, Israel, EU and the arab bloc, period, the end. If an attack orchestrates, it will be backed by the world.

And Iran will never attack the US or American citizens because of their fear of the US military. That is our big stick. Its the only reason why they have not directly attacked the US today.

Give them nuclear capabilities and the possibilities are endless. Americans and there immunity to terrorism lol! Because terrorism can't be in the form through economics or foreign policies or anything. Just rockets into NYC! Welcome to the real world, not Ron Paul's world.

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LMAO @ America being the bully while Iran chants death to Israel and death to America.

LMAO @ Iran being the bully while America chants death to Iran and every other Middle Eastern Country and has actually shown massive aggression and violence, as has Israel, which includes assassinating Iranian scientists.

You could not be more biased, Zionist.