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    Aesthetic Idols: Natural Vs. Steroids

    So the aesthetic crew are taking aesthetics to a whole new level. Most notably Supaturk & Chestbrah. Those guys look bigger and better (thicker. more solid. tighter.) every time they post a new pic.

    What are your thoughts on the 'Natural' vs. 'Steroids' approach.

    Personally I'm 100% natty. Always have been and until recently always thought I would be. However I've begun contemplating the following question....

    Q: In pursuit of Aesthetics... how far is going too far? Should we be aiming to develop the best natural physique possible or is this overshadowed by the results that are achievable when taking things to a whole new level by using Performance Enhancing Drugs?

    I posted this query over on my Facebook Page a little over an hour ago but with an audience of only 95 (fuarkin awesome people) I predict the feedback will be somewhat limited...

    Be good to get the thoughts of the Teen Board on this...

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    Natural: Takes a decade to achieve your lifting or physique goals
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    That's the only difference I see.
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    i prefer the natural physique
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    I prefer steroid physique but in some reasonable size
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    Originally Posted by MetalJerks View Post
    i prefer the natural physique
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    I prefer steroid physique but in some reasonable size
    The idea that there is a such thing as a 'steroid physique' or a 'natural physique' is retarded.
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    Originally Posted by spiderman997 View Post
    The idea that there is a such thing as a 'steroid physique' or a 'natural physique' is retarded.
    ok, mister - I prefer the looks achieved by steroids rather than looks achieved by natural training
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    Thx for the prompt reply.

    I guess I should have phrased it differently.

    Personally I think the physique that has been crafted by Chestbrother and Supaturk is far superior to that of mine and most other natural bodybuilders / aspiring fitness models...I mean look at them! Fuark!

    But...is acquiring this next level of Aesthetic at the expense of our long term health / perception of cheating / taking short-cuts or should we be keeping health and doing things the 'hard way' / naturally at the core of what it means to be aesthetic....Or is not a single f*ck given how we get there...we just get there?

    I'm keen to hear your collective thoughts on this.
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    Originally Posted by dunkalicious View Post
    ok, mister - I prefer the looks achieved by steroids rather than looks achieved by natural training
    No such thing. Steroids don't change your physique in any way other than the obvious, more muscle and less fat.
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    so you're saying that the ronnie coleman physique can be achieved naturally?
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    Originally Posted by MetalJerks View Post
    so you're saying that the ronnie coleman physique can be achieved naturally?
    Coleman is all natural you tool
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    Originally Posted by spiderman997 View Post
    No such thing. Steroids don't change your physique in any way other than the obvious, more muscle and less fat.
    yeah, by "steroid physique" I meant that - more muscle and less fat
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    Originally Posted by jaco1983 View Post
    Thx for the prompt reply.

    I guess I should have phrased it differently.

    Personally I think the physique that has been crafted by Chestbrother and Supaturk is far superior to that of mine and most other natural bodybuilders / aspiring fitness models...I mean look at them! Fuark!

    But...is acquiring this next level of Aesthetic at the expense of our long term health / perception of cheating / taking short-cuts or should we be keeping health and doing things the 'hard way' / naturally at the core of what it means to be aesthetic....Or is not a single f*ck given how we get there...we just get there?

    I'm keen to hear your collective thoughts on this.
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    Originally Posted by spiderman997 View Post
    coleman is all natural you tool
    ha. Ha.
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    Originally Posted by dunkalicious View Post
    yeah, by "steroid physique" I meant that - more muscle and less fat
    So you like physiques with more muscle and less fat? Revolutionary insight bro.
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    Originally Posted by spiderman997 View Post
    So you like physiques with more muscle and less fat? Revolutionary insight bro.
    indeed, not everyone likes it though... You would be suprised how many people dislikes it if you moved from bodybuilding forums from time to time.

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    Originally Posted by dunkalicious View Post
    indeed, not everyone likes it though... You would be suprised how many people dislikes it if you moved from bodybuilding forums from time to time.
    Who's to say that a natural lifter can't look like that though? There is nothing that defines a 'steroid physique' unless the person is just so unrealistically huge and shredded that it obviously could not be accomplished without AAS.
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    I think there has to be balance achieved. Nowadays you have these guys weighing 260 at 6 foot. I think a physique with a great balancce like Arnolds is the best. It is speculated that he used lower doeses of steroids so this just made him look amazing rather than like a monster.
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    Originally Posted by spiderman997 View Post
    Who's to say that a natural lifter can't look like that though? There is nothing that defines a 'steroid physique' unless the person is just so unrealistically huge and shredded that it obviously could not be accomplished without AAS.

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    Originally Posted by spiderman997 View Post
    If you don't compete that depends on the morals of the person who is using. My morals aren't your's and your's aren't mine. No one has any real reason or right to care if someone else uses.
    In essence I'm pretty much mad and jelly that I work hard, diet strict but will probably never (not even in 5-10yrs) look as big and as shredded as for example Supaturk. Therefore it's got me questioning what is and is not OK when it comes to getting Aesthetic. I think due to the health risks inherent to using Steroids I probably will never join the millions who use them but I was interested to know what others think and feel.

    I don't think this is about morals though. That's a bit too deep for the shallow nature of this aesthetics oriented thread.
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    Originally Posted by BenMeinrod View Post
    It is speculated that he used lower doeses of steroids so this just made him look amazing rather than like a monster.
    Arnie used just as much as anyone, grams and grams of gear every week. The difference between the old school bodybuilders and the mass monsters of today is insulin and growth hormone, not steroids.
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    Originally Posted by jaco1983 View Post
    In essence I'm pretty much mad and jelly that I work hard, diet strict but will probably never (not even in 5-10yrs) look as big and as shredded as for example Supaturk. Therefore it's got me questioning what is and is not OK when it comes to getting Aesthetic. I think due to the health risks inherent to using Steroids I probably will never join the millions who use them but I was interested to know what others think and feel.
    Then the risk vs. reward doesn't balance out for you. Everyone who has done steroids has paid the cost, be it health, price, or social stigma. For them the trade off was worth it. Your experience may vary. It's dumb to compare yourself to steroid users, it will drive you insane and isn't an accurate reflection of your own progress.
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    Originally Posted by ANIMALISTIKZ View Post
    this man just ended this thread /thread


    OP is a phaggot
    You sir are the phaggot ITT. I never mentioned a Steroid Physique. Just a Natural vs. Steroid approach.

    brb just going to try to get to Supaturk level naturally will be back in 8yrs...

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    Originally Posted by jaco1983 View Post
    In essence I'm pretty much mad and jelly that I work hard, diet strict but will probably never (not even in 5-10yrs) look as big and as shredded as for example Supaturk. Therefore it's got me questioning what is and is not OK when it comes to getting Aesthetic. I think due to the health risks inherent to using Steroids I probably will never join the millions who use them but I was interested to know what others think and feel.

    I don't think this is about morals though. That's a bit too deep for the shallow nature of this aesthetics oriented thread.
    There's your problem. Forget about how big other people are, don't compare yourself to others. Focus on your own improvements, your own goals, your own body. Personally I'd never use steroids and I just wanna get as big/strong as I can going all natural.
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    Originally Posted by spiderman997 View Post
    Then the risk vs. reward doesn't balance out for you. Everyone who has done steroids has paid the cost, be it health, price, or social stigma. For them the trade off was worth it. Your experience may vary. It's dumb to compare yourself to steroid users, it will drive you insane and isn't an accurate reflection of your own progress.
    So you are saying its about how about you want it...that's it. GAME. SET. MATCH?
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    Originally Posted by xlDeMoNiClx View Post
    There's your problem. Forget about how big other people are, don't compare yourself to others. Focus on your own improvements, your own goals, your own body. Personally I'd never use steroids and I just wanna get as big/strong as I can going all natural.
    This was me about 4.5months ago at the beginning of my proposed transformation. I still feel uneasy about the prospect of using steroids due to the health risks. Is it not hard though knowing that you work AS hard but can be sure you'll never look AS good? Just askin?
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    Originally Posted by jaco1983 View Post
    You sir are the phaggot ITT. I never mentioned a Steroid Physique. Just a Natural vs. Steroid approach.

    brb just going to try to get to Supaturk level naturally will be back in 8yrs...

    8yrs later...

    brb just realised impossible to achieve Supaturk level physique naturally and I've just wasted 8yrs so crying into my Raspberry Flavour Whey Protein Shake...

    GTFO phaggot!

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    Originally Posted by jaco1983 View Post
    This was me about 4.5months ago at the beginning of my proposed transformation. I still feel uneasy about the prospect of using steroids due to the health risks. Is it not hard though knowing that you work AS hard but can be sure you'll never look AS good? Just askin?

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    Originally Posted by ANIMALISTIKZ View Post
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    So what you are a fat dwarf no? Or you are a f*cking machine that uses steroids/hgh/etc. nomsayin?
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    Originally Posted by jaco1983 View Post
    So what you are a fat dwarf no? Or you are a f*cking machine that uses steroids/hgh/etc. nomsayin?
    Being bigger than you = either fat or using drugs. Logic!
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