Hi I have been drinking soy milk for a about 2 years , so I read that soy milk is not good specially when you try to lose weight so is soy milk bad ?
I always drink silk milk light 60 calories almost everyday Should I drink almond milk instead ? I'm trying to lose weigh what is the best option for me ? I don't like regular milk ,makes me feel bloated and soy milk doesn't. Thanks !
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Thread: Almond Milk Vs Soy Milk
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01-29-2012, 03:47 PM #1
Almond Milk Vs Soy Milk
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01-29-2012, 04:03 PM #2
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01-29-2012, 04:03 PM #3
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01-29-2012, 05:00 PM #4
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01-29-2012, 05:14 PM #5
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01-29-2012, 07:07 PM #6
Agreed with the other posters- the soy can mimic estrogen. Also most soy produced in the US is GMO which isn't good for the environment, farmers and probably not good for humans either.
On macros, my philsophy is either go with low-calorie milk replacement (like rice milk) or choose one with more protein (hemp milk, almond milk).
You can reduce the packaging waste and "extra" ingredients (carageenan etc.) in the industrialized milk by making your own:
Blend 1/4 Cut nuts or seeds (almonds, pecan, walnut, pepita, sunflower, brazil nut etc.) with 2.5 C water. Add a pinch of salt and 1-2 pitted medjool dates if you need it to taste good on its own (most soy/rice milks are slightly sweet).
A high power blender will blitz it up well, or with a regular blender you can strain out any remaining nut chunks and put them on cereal.
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01-29-2012, 07:57 PM #7
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This stuff is great!! They also have chocolate and unflavored in the unsweetened variety and it's 40 cals for 8oz serving. I switched to this a while back.
I don't think it matters either way I just prefer the taste honestly. Try some and see if you like it then make your decision.Current Log:
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02-01-2012, 08:34 PM #16
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02-02-2012, 05:06 AM #17
Holy frack!!!! Almonds are also goitrogenic, meaning they too contain phytoestrogens. Be far more concerned about xenoestrogens. Those are the bad, man-made stuff. Other goitrogens include broccoli, brussel sprouts, cabbage, kale, peanuts, peaches, strawberries, and spinach!!! Unless you are an unstable thyroid patient you have nothing to worry about when it comes to phytoestrogens.
There are also plenty of nonGMO soy milks on the market (8th Continent, Silk, Eden Farms, etc).
Seriously people.
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02-02-2012, 05:51 AM #18
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But there's no compelling reason *to* use soy milk, so if you have any concerns about it, why not just leave it out of your diet? I mean, I'm not convinced regular consumption of large amounts of soy is good for me, but it also makes me gassy as hell, so that's the main reason I stay away from it (other than some delicious, delicious Kashi Go Lean every once in awhile , for which I am then prepared to be socially unacceptable ). But even if it didn't, I would see no reason to add soy to my diet unless I was a vegetarian who had huge problems getting enough protein in.
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02-02-2012, 06:16 AM #19
I never tell anyone they have to add soy to their diet. It's the misinformation that drives me insane. Phytoestrogens are going to grow man-boobs or screw up my thyroid! Yeesh. And GMO? Corn is like 90% GMO and is in *everything*. Your food, medicines, shampoo, conditioner, toothpaste, soap, household cleaners, toilet paper, food packaging...
Soy, like any other food, can be part of a well balanced diet. It's about what you are looking for nutritionally and taste. No need to be fearful. I cannot tolerate milk proteins and nuts contain sulfites, so soy is my only milk like option. Yet it will cause me to bloat so I'm sensitive to it as well. Still, I make my own soy milk so I can at least occasionally enjoy a latte, get a few extra cals in, and/or not have to keep eating oatmeal made with water.
Pick your milk according to your taste and calorie/macro goals. If I could I'd mix it up with all of the options, cow/goat/soy/almond etc.
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02-02-2012, 08:37 AM #20
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I agree completely. My point was just that if someone has concerns about soy milk and they like almond milk, it does them no harm to just stick with the almond milk, whether or not their concerns about soy are unfounded or perfectly reasonable. If someone really likes soy milk, but has concerns about it, then it's up to them to do their own reading and decide what the risk/benefit ratio is in their mind. I mean, I eat lots of things that I'm not sure are optimal for my health, like non-grass fed beef and Splenda, just because I can't afford all grass fed and I loves me some steak and because I am unwilling to give up my artificial sweetener addiction whether it kills me or not
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02-02-2012, 08:47 AM #21
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02-02-2012, 11:13 AM #23
it's horrible. people hear something from the media or a misinformed trainer and believe it and then post here and it's "confirmed" by other equally as misinformed people, perpetuating false info. it's annoying. do your research. if you question something, do some reading. real studies.
exactly. and always.
amen to that. that's all it's abt.
fwiw, i use unsweetened coconut milk in meal 1 and unsweetened almond milk in meal 3. no real rhyme or reason. i like both, so why not include both?
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02-06-2012, 02:44 PM #24
It actually depends. If she is one of those people that suffers from hormonal imbalances as a result of too much soy - as I am - it will have an impact depending on how sensitive she is.
It's not that other foods don't have the same potential, but that soy is already in SO MUCH that it doesn't work for some people too eat too much of it too often. I'm sure the same could be said of many other foods if eaten to the same degree.If I were an animal, I'd be a giraffe - long-limbed, weird looking, awkward as f#ck... but cooler than a frozen TV dinner!
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02-06-2012, 02:53 PM #25
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02-06-2012, 03:14 PM #26
For me personally, if I change nothing in my lifestyle except eating a fair amount of soy, I end up with most of the symptoms of estrogen dominance, including fat gain. I am positive some of it is caused by the extreme lethargy, which in turn meant less calories burned and sh!t lifts, but I still think that's important to think about. Whether it is a direct impact or not, if someone wants to lose weight, they should know if there is a possibility that something will sap them of all energy and motivation. But I do think estrogen dominance in and of itself can cause fat gain or make it harder to lose (a sluggish metabolism is one of the symptoms,) though I am not positive. I only know what it was like for me - a huge, terrible battle.
I know many people that do fine on soy, but that doesn't mean everyone can have it without bad things happening.
I did a lot of reading on soy, and felt it was safe and not what people made it out to be... then I ate it myself and was in hell until I tried cutting it out. I've tried it again since, and just can't do it. I narrowed it down and am sure that it was the source of my symptoms. It was like PMS every day, and actual PMS was very different from what it had been for the prior decade. I had ovarian pain throughout the month, was a total b!tch, got headaches which are unusual for me, felt bloated, my breasts hurt all the time... Now it's back to normal since cutting it out, but if I try to sneak things in, I notice the boobs first and know to quit.Last edited by SaltedRain; 02-06-2012 at 03:23 PM.
If I were an animal, I'd be a giraffe - long-limbed, weird looking, awkward as f#ck... but cooler than a frozen TV dinner!
Turds are like windows into the soul, only better, because we actually know the digestive tract exists, and how it impacts one's wellbeing.
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02-06-2012, 03:18 PM #27
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02-06-2012, 03:22 PM #28
Is it actually changing the hormones, or is it something else? It seemed like all the symptoms were as if it had caused excessively high estrogen (at least as compared to my progesterone,) but I didn't have insurance at the time, so I played detective instead of seeing a doctor and was able to find the culprit myself.
Last edited by SaltedRain; 02-06-2012 at 03:35 PM.
If I were an animal, I'd be a giraffe - long-limbed, weird looking, awkward as f#ck... but cooler than a frozen TV dinner!
Turds are like windows into the soul, only better, because we actually know the digestive tract exists, and how it impacts one's wellbeing.
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02-06-2012, 03:27 PM #29
no hormone causes fat gain by itself without more energy coming in than being burned. estrogen can and does inhibit fat loss from the stubborn areas, though. high estrogen isn't the problem necessarily, either:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/res...othalamus.html
estrogen can actually reduce food intake and body fatness levels in both animals and humans. As I noted above, postmenopausal women often gain fat and estrogen replacement causes them to lose that body fat. There is some evidence that metabolic rate may go down after menopause, and this may also be fixed by estrogen replacement."The human race is still largely a group of monkeys with slightly better grooming habits. Give them a microscope and and they'll examine their own ****, give them a telescope and they'll go looking for tits."
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02-06-2012, 04:39 PM #30
I don't understand the mechanics behind allergy and intolerances, but soy being a phyoestrogen is irrelevant. It's generally the lectins in food that we react to. Corn for me can mimic pms. I'm also intolerant to sulfites, which in me causes wheezing, but in others causes PMS type symptoms.
The whole thing with phytoestrogens is blown way out of proportion. Good studies, not the piece of crap studies usually quoted, have failed to show any real negative effects. Even in postmenopausal women no study has been able to show any believable effect on hot flashes. That group of women would be far more affected by estrogen-like effects than younger women.
There's only 3 potential concerns with soy outside of allergic type reactions, genetically modified soy (as well as GMO corn), non-whole food soy sources (true for any food as well), and possibly large consumption of soy in an otherwise iodine deficient diet.
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