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    Cool Almond Milk Vs Soy Milk

    Hi I have been drinking soy milk for a about 2 years , so I read that soy milk is not good specially when you try to lose weight so is soy milk bad ?
    I always drink silk milk light 60 calories almost everyday Should I drink almond milk instead ? I'm trying to lose weigh what is the best option for me ? I don't like regular milk ,makes me feel bloated and soy milk doesn't. Thanks !
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    Originally Posted by helloliss View Post
    Hi I have been drinking soy milk for a about 2 years , so I read that soy milk is not good specially when you try to lose weight so is soy milk bad ?
    I always drink silk milk light 60 calories almost everyday Should I drink almond milk instead ? I'm trying to lose weigh what is the best option for me ? I don't like regular milk ,makes me feel bloated and soy milk doesn't. Thanks !
    The whole soy is "bad" thing is based on that soy contains phyto-estrogens, which theoretically can cause hormonal imbalance in women. Really drinking soy milk isn't going to kill weight loss, as long as you are counting the calories and macros you should be fine.
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    Originally Posted by helloliss View Post
    Hi I have been drinking soy milk for a about 2 years , so I read that soy milk is not good specially when you try to lose weight so is soy milk bad ?
    I always drink silk milk light 60 calories almost everyday Should I drink almond milk instead ? I'm trying to lose weigh what is the best option for me ? I don't like regular milk ,makes me feel bloated and soy milk doesn't. Thanks !
    cals/macro's.
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    Originally Posted by helloliss View Post
    Hi I have been drinking soy milk for a about 2 years , so I read that soy milk is not good specially when you try to lose weight so is soy milk bad ?
    I always drink silk milk light 60 calories almost everyday Should I drink almond milk instead ? I'm trying to lose weigh what is the best option for me ? I don't like regular milk ,makes me feel bloated and soy milk doesn't. Thanks !
    The best option is being in the right deficit for fat loss. The kind of milk you choose to drink makes no difference in getting results.
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    Agreed with the other posters- the soy can mimic estrogen. Also most soy produced in the US is GMO which isn't good for the environment, farmers and probably not good for humans either.

    On macros, my philsophy is either go with low-calorie milk replacement (like rice milk) or choose one with more protein (hemp milk, almond milk).

    You can reduce the packaging waste and "extra" ingredients (carageenan etc.) in the industrialized milk by making your own:

    Blend 1/4 Cut nuts or seeds (almonds, pecan, walnut, pepita, sunflower, brazil nut etc.) with 2.5 C water. Add a pinch of salt and 1-2 pitted medjool dates if you need it to taste good on its own (most soy/rice milks are slightly sweet).

    A high power blender will blitz it up well, or with a regular blender you can strain out any remaining nut chunks and put them on cereal.
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    Basically from what i know soy milk is not considered clean bc soy beans are frequently genetically modified. Most almond milks contain some artificial flavors but overall is much better for u - low cal only 3.5 g fat and no sugar
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    The OP's question was Almond Milk Vs Soy Milk...does it make a difference when it comes to fat loss?

    The answer is no it doesn't.
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    Originally Posted by sarahak88 View Post
    Basically from what i know soy milk is not considered clean
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    Thanks I'm switching to almond milk Sound more healthy !
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    Originally Posted by helloliss View Post
    Thanks I'm switching to almond milk Sound more healthy !
    Switch to unsweetened almond milk if you are switching at all, Blue Diamond makes an excellent vanilla flavored unsweetened almond milk.
    "Starbuck", not "Starbucks". There's a huge difference.

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    Originally Posted by helloliss View Post
    Thanks I'm switching to almond milk Sound more healthy !
    most people said it doesn't matter, but whatever floats your boat. just work it in and enjoy, whichever you go w/. not to confuse you further, but i also use unsweetened coconut and hemp milk too. again, though, there is absolutely nothing wrong w/ soy.
    i second what wp said.

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    Originally Posted by helloliss View Post
    Hi I have been drinking soy milk for a about 2 years , so I read that soy milk is not good specially when you try to lose weight so is soy milk bad ?
    I always drink silk milk light 60 calories almost everyday Should I drink almond milk instead ? I'm trying to lose weigh what is the best option for me ? I don't like regular milk ,makes me feel bloated and soy milk doesn't. Thanks !
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    Switch to unsweetened almond milk if you are switching at all, Blue Diamond makes an excellent vanilla flavored unsweetened almond milk.
    This stuff is great!! They also have chocolate and unflavored in the unsweetened variety and it's 40 cals for 8oz serving. I switched to this a while back.

    I don't think it matters either way I just prefer the taste honestly. Try some and see if you like it then make your decision.
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    I gotta admit, unsweetened almond milk in vanilla is just awesome, and it's hard to beat 40 cals a cup.
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    I love almond milk, just recently made the swap! I use the unsweetened vanilla as well.
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    I gotta admit, unsweetened almond milk in vanilla is just awesome, and it's hard to beat 40 cals a cup.
    The GMO soy in soy milk scares me (and I don't feel comfortable serving it to my kids) so I use almond milk. It's also yummy and low in calories and a pretty reasonable price.
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    Holy frack!!!! Almonds are also goitrogenic, meaning they too contain phytoestrogens. Be far more concerned about xenoestrogens. Those are the bad, man-made stuff. Other goitrogens include broccoli, brussel sprouts, cabbage, kale, peanuts, peaches, strawberries, and spinach!!! Unless you are an unstable thyroid patient you have nothing to worry about when it comes to phytoestrogens.

    There are also plenty of nonGMO soy milks on the market (8th Continent, Silk, Eden Farms, etc).

    Seriously people.
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    Originally Posted by freebirdmac View Post
    Holy frack!!!! Almonds are also goitrogenic, meaning they too contain phytoestrogens. Be far more concerned about xenoestrogens. Those are the bad, man-made stuff. Other goitrogens include broccoli, brussel sprouts, cabbage, kale, peanuts, peaches, strawberries, and spinach!!! Unless you are an unstable thyroid patient you have nothing to worry about when it comes to phytoestrogens.

    There are also plenty of nonGMO soy milks on the market (8th Continent, Silk, Eden Farms, etc).

    Seriously people.
    But there's no compelling reason *to* use soy milk, so if you have any concerns about it, why not just leave it out of your diet? I mean, I'm not convinced regular consumption of large amounts of soy is good for me, but it also makes me gassy as hell, so that's the main reason I stay away from it (other than some delicious, delicious Kashi Go Lean every once in awhile , for which I am then prepared to be socially unacceptable ). But even if it didn't, I would see no reason to add soy to my diet unless I was a vegetarian who had huge problems getting enough protein in.
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    Originally Posted by dreahere View Post
    But there's no compelling reason *to* use soy milk, so if you have any concerns about it, why not just leave it out of your diet? I mean, I'm not convinced regular consumption of large amounts of soy is good for me, but it also makes me gassy as hell, so that's the main reason I stay away from it (other than some delicious, delicious Kashi Go Lean every once in awhile , for which I am then prepared to be socially unacceptable ). But even if it didn't, I would see no reason to add soy to my diet unless I was a vegetarian who had huge problems getting enough protein in.
    I never tell anyone they have to add soy to their diet. It's the misinformation that drives me insane. Phytoestrogens are going to grow man-boobs or screw up my thyroid! Yeesh. And GMO? Corn is like 90% GMO and is in *everything*. Your food, medicines, shampoo, conditioner, toothpaste, soap, household cleaners, toilet paper, food packaging...

    Soy, like any other food, can be part of a well balanced diet. It's about what you are looking for nutritionally and taste. No need to be fearful. I cannot tolerate milk proteins and nuts contain sulfites, so soy is my only milk like option. Yet it will cause me to bloat so I'm sensitive to it as well. Still, I make my own soy milk so I can at least occasionally enjoy a latte, get a few extra cals in, and/or not have to keep eating oatmeal made with water.

    Pick your milk according to your taste and calorie/macro goals. If I could I'd mix it up with all of the options, cow/goat/soy/almond etc.
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    Pick your milk according to your taste and calorie/macro goals.
    I agree completely. My point was just that if someone has concerns about soy milk and they like almond milk, it does them no harm to just stick with the almond milk, whether or not their concerns about soy are unfounded or perfectly reasonable. If someone really likes soy milk, but has concerns about it, then it's up to them to do their own reading and decide what the risk/benefit ratio is in their mind. I mean, I eat lots of things that I'm not sure are optimal for my health, like non-grass fed beef and Splenda, just because I can't afford all grass fed and I loves me some steak and because I am unwilling to give up my artificial sweetener addiction whether it kills me or not
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    Originally Posted by dreahere View Post
    I agree completely. My point was just that if someone has concerns about soy milk and they like almond milk, it does them no harm to just stick with the almond milk, whether or not their concerns about soy are unfounded or perfectly reasonable. If someone really likes soy milk, but has concerns about it, then it's up to them to do their own reading and decide what the risk/benefit ratio is in their mind. I mean, I eat lots of things that I'm not sure are optimal for my health, like non-grass fed beef and Splenda, just because I can't afford all grass fed and I loves me some steak and because I am unwilling to give up my artificial sweetener addiction whether it kills me or not
    Yeah, that's fine. But come on a forum like this spouting a bunch of crud to try and talk someone else out of consuming something and you can expect to get a response.

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    Originally Posted by freebirdmac View Post
    Pick your milk according to your taste and calorie/macro goals.
    I think we need this in large blinking neon .
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    Originally Posted by freebirdmac View Post
    It's the misinformation that drives me insane.
    it's horrible. people hear something from the media or a misinformed trainer and believe it and then post here and it's "confirmed" by other equally as misinformed people, perpetuating false info. it's annoying. do your research. if you question something, do some reading. real studies.

    Originally Posted by freebirdmac View Post
    It's about what you are looking for nutritionally and taste.
    exactly. and always.

    Originally Posted by freebirdmac View Post
    Pick your milk according to your taste and calorie/macro goals. If I could I'd mix it up with all of the options, cow/goat/soy/almond etc.
    amen to that. that's all it's abt.

    fwiw, i use unsweetened coconut milk in meal 1 and unsweetened almond milk in meal 3. no real rhyme or reason. i like both, so why not include both?
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    Originally Posted by kimm4 View Post
    The OP's question was Almond Milk Vs Soy Milk...does it make a difference when it comes to fat loss?

    The answer is no it doesn't.
    It actually depends. If she is one of those people that suffers from hormonal imbalances as a result of too much soy - as I am - it will have an impact depending on how sensitive she is.

    It's not that other foods don't have the same potential, but that soy is already in SO MUCH that it doesn't work for some people too eat too much of it too often. I'm sure the same could be said of many other foods if eaten to the same degree.
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    Originally Posted by kimm4
    The OP's question was Almond Milk Vs Soy Milk...does it make a difference when it comes to fat loss?
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    It actually depends. If she is one of those people that suffers from hormonal imbalances as a result of too much soy - as I am - it will have an impact depending on how sensitive she is.
    what type impact, and how does it pertain to fat loss specifically? just curious.
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    Originally Posted by Miranda View Post
    what type impact, and how does it pertain to fat loss specifically? just curious.
    For me personally, if I change nothing in my lifestyle except eating a fair amount of soy, I end up with most of the symptoms of estrogen dominance, including fat gain. I am positive some of it is caused by the extreme lethargy, which in turn meant less calories burned and sh!t lifts, but I still think that's important to think about. Whether it is a direct impact or not, if someone wants to lose weight, they should know if there is a possibility that something will sap them of all energy and motivation. But I do think estrogen dominance in and of itself can cause fat gain or make it harder to lose (a sluggish metabolism is one of the symptoms,) though I am not positive. I only know what it was like for me - a huge, terrible battle.

    I know many people that do fine on soy, but that doesn't mean everyone can have it without bad things happening.

    I did a lot of reading on soy, and felt it was safe and not what people made it out to be... then I ate it myself and was in hell until I tried cutting it out. I've tried it again since, and just can't do it. I narrowed it down and am sure that it was the source of my symptoms. It was like PMS every day, and actual PMS was very different from what it had been for the prior decade. I had ovarian pain throughout the month, was a total b!tch, got headaches which are unusual for me, felt bloated, my breasts hurt all the time... Now it's back to normal since cutting it out, but if I try to sneak things in, I notice the boobs first and know to quit.
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    Originally Posted by SaltedRain View Post
    For me personally, if I change nothing in my lifestyle except eating a fair amount of soy, I end up with most of the symptoms of estrogen dominance, including fat gain. I am positive some of it is caused by the extreme lethargy, which in turn meant less calories burned and sh!t lifts, but I still think that's important to think about. Whether it is a direct impact or not, if someone wants to lose weight, they should know if there is a possibility that something will sap them of all energy and motivation. But I do think estrogen dominance in and of itself can cause fat gain or make it harder to lose, though I am not positive. I only know what it was like for me - a huge, terrible battle.

    I know many people that do find on soy, but that doesn't mean everyone can have it without bad things happening.

    I did a lot of reading on soy, and felt it was safe and not what people made it out to be... then I ate it myself and was in hell until I tried cutting it out. I've tried it again since, and just can't do it. I narrowed it down and am sure that it was the source of my symptoms. It was like PMS every day, and actual PMS was very different from what it had been for the prior decade. I had ovarian pain throughout the month, was a total b!tch, got headaches which are unusual for me, felt bloated, my breasts hurt all the time... Now it's back to normal since cutting it out, but if I try to sneak things in, I notice the boobs first and know to quit.
    That's an allergy or intolerance. Corn does very, very close to the same thing for me.
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    Originally Posted by freebirdmac View Post
    That's an allergy or intolerance. Corn does very, very close to the same thing for me.
    Is it actually changing the hormones, or is it something else? It seemed like all the symptoms were as if it had caused excessively high estrogen (at least as compared to my progesterone,) but I didn't have insurance at the time, so I played detective instead of seeing a doctor and was able to find the culprit myself.
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    Originally Posted by SaltedRain View Post
    estrogen dominance in and of itself can cause fat gain or make it harder to lose (a sluggish metabolism is one of the symptoms
    no hormone causes fat gain by itself without more energy coming in than being burned. estrogen can and does inhibit fat loss from the stubborn areas, though. high estrogen isn't the problem necessarily, either:

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/res...othalamus.html

    estrogen can actually reduce food intake and body fatness levels in both animals and humans. As I noted above, postmenopausal women often gain fat and estrogen replacement causes them to lose that body fat. There is some evidence that metabolic rate may go down after menopause, and this may also be fixed by estrogen replacement.
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    Originally Posted by SaltedRain View Post
    Is it actually changing the hormones, or is it something else? It seemed like all the symptoms were as if it had caused excessively high estrogen (at least as compared to my progesterone,) but I didn't have insurance at the time, so I played detective instead of seeing a doctor and was able to find the culprit myself.
    I don't understand the mechanics behind allergy and intolerances, but soy being a phyoestrogen is irrelevant. It's generally the lectins in food that we react to. Corn for me can mimic pms. I'm also intolerant to sulfites, which in me causes wheezing, but in others causes PMS type symptoms.

    The whole thing with phytoestrogens is blown way out of proportion. Good studies, not the piece of crap studies usually quoted, have failed to show any real negative effects. Even in postmenopausal women no study has been able to show any believable effect on hot flashes. That group of women would be far more affected by estrogen-like effects than younger women.

    There's only 3 potential concerns with soy outside of allergic type reactions, genetically modified soy (as well as GMO corn), non-whole food soy sources (true for any food as well), and possibly large consumption of soy in an otherwise iodine deficient diet.
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